Why can't some civi's tell the diffenrce between cadet's and soldiers

[Danjanou]

Can we correct the title now?

Not "diffenrce"; but "difference".

your wish is my command  :-*

 

[gwp]

I'll just point this out.
With 'youth' being in the name of the program, I wouldn't expect a great deal to be over 19. 
Midget

Definition - Youth - persons aged 16 to 29 (for many programs and opportunities such as scholarships, employment, training etc.)

Throughout the world, the definition is variable and is dependant on location. In Canada, after age 24, youth are no longer eligible for adolescent social services

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

That is because the the CIC is a branch of the Canadian Forces and a sub-component of the CF Reserve.  Its members are commissioned officers of the Canadian Forces with the same responsibility and direction from the sovereign to do their duty (within their area of employment) as any other member of the CF.

The Cadet Instructor Cadre is the largest officer occupation in the Canadian Forces and will celebrate its centennial in 2009.  It is the corps of CF personnel that deliveres and supervises the cadet program in Canada as directed by the National Defence Act. 
Army Cadets wear a large patch with a maple leaf that says RCAC.
The Air and Sea Cadet Shoulder Flash both say Royal Canadian xxx Cadets.
It's no different than expecting individuals to know the difference between the PPCLI and the Medical Branch. People just don't pay attention to the detail.

Should civillians be expected to really know that much of a difference though?  Just gently correct them and move on.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Definition - Youth - persons aged 16 to 29

From what source is THAT definition... :

 

[AlphaQup]

Ok

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Royal_Canadian_Air_Cadets_marching.jpg
http://multimedia.simcoe.com/images/d3/8c/05640a9a44be8e735a8208ec3bb5.jpeg

and

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.army.gc.ca/lfwa/photos/AS2007-0547a_l.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.army.gc.ca/lfwa/feature_stampede_parade.htm&h=521&w=729&sz=342&hl=en&start=157&um=1&tbnid=W1aB2JkQZ0sl1M:&tbnh=101&tbnw=141&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcanadian%2Binfantry%2Bcadpat%26start%3D144%26ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

You can usually tell the difference on uniform - and that one group looks like kids and one group looks like adults ..

Thanks.

 

[gwp]

From what source is THAT definition... :

The Canadian Government
http://youth.gc.ca/yoaux.jsp?&lang=en&flash=1&ta=1&auxpageid=708

 

[Eye In The Sky]

The Canadian Government
http://youth.gc.ca/yoaux.jsp?&lang=en&flash=1&ta=1&auxpageid=708

IMO, that is a stretch and I would say that perhaps this site is more representative of what is considered youth in Canada, legally and otherwise.  Definitions are taken from ref's site:

"child" means a person who is or, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, appears to be less than twelve years old.

"young person" means a person who is or, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, appears to be twelve years old or older, but less than eighteen years old

"adult" means a person who is neither a young person nor a child.

And, from this non-government website:

Definition: The age of majority in Canada is the age at which a person is considered by law to be an adult. A person younger than the age of majority is considered a "minor child."
The age of majority in Canada is determined by each province and territory in Canada.

The age of majority in the individual provinces and territories of Canada is

Alberta - 18
British Columbia - 19
Manitoba - 18
New Brunswick - 19
Newfoundland and Labrador - 19
Northwest Territories - 19
Nova Scotia - 19
Nunavut - 19
Ontario - 18
Prince Edward Island - 18
Quebec - 18
Saksatchewan - 18
Yukon Territory - 19


Now, are you really going to argue that a person who can legally vote in a federal election in this country is legally considered a youth?  :

 

[gwp]

Thanks.

There are an equal number of pictures of cadets looking as professional as any other uniformed body. 

Has anyone seen the Sea Cadets do Ceremony of the Flags?

http://www.cadets.net/pac/quadra/2007/photo__CofF2007_e.asp

Or do Freedom of the City

http://www.canada.com/comoxvalleyecho/news/story.html?id=9ad4e2c7-9f96-449c-907b-1bc2b7791bad

 

[gwp]

Not to start this up again, but it is a problem caused by the lack of "Dress and Deportment" of some individuals, to include haircuts and shaving, not just the way they wear a uniform, that has created many of the problems that this topic is addressing.

It is pretty hard to tell a slovenly RegF or PRes member from a properly turned out member of the CIC. 

 

[George Wallace]

It is pretty hard to tell a slovenly RegF or PRes member from a properly turned out member of the CIC. 

Is there such an animal?  I thought it was a myth/urban legend.  ;D

 

[medaid]

I haven't met that many properly turned out CIC officers. I kid you not. The ones that I have seen that are quite nicely turned out, also turned out to be ex RegF or PRes members, with the minority as CIC direct entries.

 

[George Wallace]

Some old habits are hard to break.

 

[gwp]

Is there such an animal?  I thought it was a myth/urban legend.   ;D

Yes, you can see those solvenly ones every day on bases and in armouries and divisions across this country.  But the RSMs and CPOS will hunt them down, let the well turned out go and square off the others.  It's an equal opportunity military when it comes to solvenliness.  

 

[gwp]

I haven't met that many properly turned out CIC officers. I kid you not. The ones that I have seen that are quite nicely turned out, also turned out to be ex RegF or PRes members, with the minority as CIC direct entries.

Well, then take the time to square them off in a friendly manner.  You are a member of the CF, they are a member of the CF .. dress regs apply equally.  Any one regardless of the component of the CF putting on the suit -- better look the part and all have an equal stake in looking after and representing the institution.  That applies to Honouraries as well ... a significant number of whom are less than direct entries. 

 

[medaid]

I do, but it's kind of tough no matter how politely to tell a Maj or even a Lt that they look like... Crap.

 

[George Wallace]

I do, but it's kind of tough no matter how politely to tell a Maj or even a Lt that they look like... Crap.

Or to get a haircut, or sometimes to shave.  Even if of equal rank, some don't listen, or worse tell you where to go.  Now that is some of what I have memories of.  Has it biased me?  Of course.  Do all fall into the same boat?  Of course not, but it is the "one rotten apple spoils the whole barrel" syndrome.

 

[gwp]

Or to get a haircut, or sometimes to shave.  Even if of equal rank, some don't listen, or worse tell you where to go.  Now that is some of what I have memories of.  Has it biased me?  Of course.  Do all fall into the same boat?  Of course not, but it is the "one rotten apple spoils the whole barrel" syndrome.

Yup, that slovenly RegF or PRes member does make the well turned out colleague of the CF CIC look bad. Particularly when they won't listen ... to anyone.

 

[George Wallace]

Yup, that slovenly RegF or PRes member does make the well turned out colleague of the CF CIC look bad. Particularly when they won't listen ... to anyone.

Glad you have a sense of humour. ...... or I'd call you an

 

[medaid]

I suck... and I lack a sense of humor. Sorry folks.

 

[Michael OLeary]

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