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What's so special about age 65?

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Interesting article that drags out a lot skeletons.......

What's so special about age 65?
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Yes, let's support a reasonable period of retirement, but not an ever-longer period of retirement, writes Dan Gardner
BY DAN GARDNER, OTTAWA CITIZEN FEBRUARY 3, 2012

Conspicuously missing in the uproar about Old Age Security is the most basic question: Why do we have a publicly funded retirement pension? Let's answer that. Then we can talk about when the age of eligibility should be.

German Chancellor Otto von Bismarck established the first such public pension scheme, in 1889. It was part of a package that included health and accident insurance for workers.

For Bismarck, the purpose was to undermine the appeal of socialism. For German workers, it was security in a world that offered little.

Work conditions were horrific. Sixteen-hour days. Six-day weeks. Workplaces that routinely mangled workers' bodies and robbed their health.

And a worker who couldn't work had no safety net beyond charity. An accident or a disease could easily mean abject poverty, even starvation. So could old age.

The age of eligibility for Bismarck's pension was 70. At the time, life expectancy for the average 70-year-old male was less than 10 years. And they weren't healthy years. "Morbidity rates" - the prevalence of disease or infirmity - were appallingly high. For the average 70-year-old, it was a nightmarish struggle to work for 16 hours a day, six days a week, in farm field or a filthy, dangerous factory. So Bismarck's pension was a godsend.

A quarter-century later, Germany reduced the age of eligibility to 65. But the idea remained the same: It was disability compensation in all but name.

Bismarck's reforms were immensely popular. And influential.

In Canada and the United States, provinces and states set up old-age pensions early in the 20th century. Some used 70 as the age of eligibility. Others 65.

In 1937, when the U.S. federal government created social security, 65 was the age of eligibility. In 1952, Canada's federal government created Old Age Security. The cut-off was 70. That was reduced to 65 from 1965 to 1969.

Between Bismarck and Lester Pearson, and between Pearson and now, the world of work changed almost beyond description. Hours on the job fell by more than half. We got weekends and paid vacation. Our workplaces became incomparably safer and cleaner and the vast majority of the population is doing much less laborious work.

And for the first time in history, life expectancy grew rapidly. Much of that was the result of a huge decline in child mortality, but there were also major improvements in the prospects of older people. In the Pearson era, the average 65-year-old Canadian male could expect to live another 13 years. That figure is now fast approaching 20 years - double what it was when the first old-age pension was created. (The figures for women are all a little higher.)

And thanks to a steady rise in what demographers call "disability-free life expectancy," the infirmities of old age have been steadily pushed back. The average 70-year-old today may not be skateboarding with teenagers but he is much healthier than the 70-year-olds who got Bismarck's cheques.

Clearly, OAS and other public pensions long ago ceased to be compensation for presumed disability. Instead, they support a reasonable period of work-free years at the end of a long working life. Retirement, in other words.

The key word there is "reasonable."

Is retirement at 65 reasonable? We can't just assume so and call 65 the "normal retirement age," as a Toronto Star columnist did. It was set long ago under very different circumstances. And there's nothing fixed about it. The magic number was 70 when OAS was created. Why isn't that the appropriate age? Or 60? Or 55? Or 75?

We need to have an honest conversation about this. The trends creating strains now will only grow in the future.

One of those trends is population aging. Today there are four workers for every person aged 65 or older. Within 20 years, there will be two. Retirement typically means a big drop in income and taxes paid so the burden on those who remain in the workforce would rise even if the overall tax take remained the same. But it won't remain the same. Various costs are expected to soar, especially health care. So governments will have to squeeze more money out of fewer people. Or make major cuts to services. Or both. Whatever they do, it won't be pleasant.

Meanwhile, life expectancy will continue to grow.
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Great link, thanks GAP.

Sitting here at the age of 25, still sitting nervously on my tour pay, and expecting soon to enter the real professional workforce one way or another- this will probably be the biggest point of contention for my generation in another decade or two once enough people wake up. With how much we'll have to fork out to pay for the boomers, I can't for the life of me think of how we'll possibly maintain solvent public pension schemes for ourselves. Anyone of my generation who doesn't start saving immediately and aggressively for retirement may be in dire straits.
 
Brihard said:
Anyone of my generation who doesn't start saving immediately and aggressively for retirement may be in dire straits.

It only makes sense to start saving early, regardless of what social safety net will be in place at retirement.

Just do the math as they say in all of the planning seminars. Putting money away in your 20's means much higher standard of living when you hit 65 than if you don't start until your 30's, or 40's. Also, early investment also allows you to scale back on how much you need put into retirement savings later in life, and put it towards treating yourself to the things you dream about doing.
 
Brihard said:
Anyone of my generation who doesn't start saving immediately and aggressively for retirement may be in dire straits.

Either that, or give up and marry the boss's daughter.  :)
 
mariomike said:
Either that, or give up and marry the boss's daughter.  :)

But that violates the rule about swimming in the company pool.
 
cupper said:
But that violates the rule about swimming in the company pool.

True.  :)
I remember one piece of advice from a teacher in high school. He said, "You guys don't look look like you'll ever be doctors or lawyers, so I suggest you take the civil service exam when you graduate."
But, after watching the local news tonight, I wonder if he would suggest that now.  :) 
 
It's nice to see an opinion that doesn't have people running for the nearest fallout shelter.
 
"Various costs are expected to soar, especially health care."

My former employer ( pre-hospital emergency health care ) did a report to the city on that seven years ago.
If interested,

From 2005:
" 1. ‘Baby Boomers’ will begin to turn 65 years of age in 2011 with impacts to the system beginning to show by 2016.
2. The population segments of 15 to 24 years is increasing in the near term but drops off significantly during the time when service will be seeing increased impacts from the Baby Boomers. Since this segment represents the majority of the ‘entry level’ work force, this may be an issue if competition for workers becomes extreme."
 
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