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Walts, posers & wannabes (merged)

Update: seems the LS in question is a serving member on the Wing, and former member of my unit. Some email traffic generated today. MTF.
 
ModlrMike said:
Update: seems the LS in question is a serving member on the Wing, and former member of my unit. Some email traffic generated today. MTF.

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Hunter said:
Got a question about a potential Walt. Naturally, it relates to pathfinder torches and white leaf jump wings. If Cpl Bloggins earned the wings and torch before releasing and going on to work in emergency services, would he entitled to wear the wings and torch on his dress uniform along with his very impressive rack of medals?

I think I already know the answer, looking for some confirmation.

Thanks!

I have seen a police officer who was a former Royal Marine wearing his N. Ireland GSM and Brit jump wings on his dress uniform on Remembrance Day. Either his CoC didn't notice or wasn't bothered by this.
 
jollyjacktar said:
And why should they? They were hard and honestly earned.

No concerns on the part of this c/s but it seems to be a point of contention here.
 
jollyjacktar said:
And why should they? They were hard and honestly earned.

This doesn't stop my CoC from trying to get me to take my Commando dagger and British Para wings off of my....

.... Mess Kit

Of course they do this by publishing various missives in Routine Orders which, sadly, I'm not smart enough to be able to read :)
 
X_para76 said:
No concerns on the part of this c/s but it seems to be a point of contention here.

For reference,

Foreign Medals Regulations 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/29288.75.html
OP: "I'm wondering what the regulations are for CF pers. who have been awarded a foreign medal while they were not a member of the CFs.  Are they authorized to wear them while in uniform?"
4 pages.

See also,

Question about foreign service, medals and badges and para course for C.I.C.
http://army.ca/forums/threads/101988.0/nowap.html
OP: "I am wondering if I'm accepted and join the CIC will I be allowed to wear my British medals on my CF and my para wings?"
3 pages.

foreign awards and decorations 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/57386.0;nowap
OP: "i was wondering would i be eligible to wear awards which i had received whilst serving in australian defence force."
2 pages.

The "Wanting To Join Another Military" Thread- Them To Us- Us To Them 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/18494/post-664000.html#msg664000
"This is a dumb question, but are american decorations allowed/authorized to be worn on a Canadian Forces uniform?"

Bronze Stars On Hold for Snipers 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/2445.0/nowap.html
OP: "The awarding of three bronze stars and two bronze stars with distinction are to be awarded to PPCLI snipers."

American awards on Mess Dress 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/104521.0

Canadian Liberation of Kuwait medal 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/42295/post-367933.html#msg367933
"Members cannot wear it on thier uniforms due to it not being awarded by Canada though."
"I stand corrected."

etc...
 
Most police services seem to allow certain specialty badges on (at least) their dress uniforms.  I've run into coppers across the country with gidgets and gadgets from their current or past military service on their uniforms.  X_para, the contention I've seen is if we know any of these folks and can vouch for them.

MM
 
medicineman said:
Most police services seem to allow certain specialty badges on (at least) their dress uniforms. I've run into coppers across the country with gidgets and gadgets from their current or past military service on their uniforms.

That's nice to see on the rare occasions when you wear your dress uniform.

On 9-1-1 operations, it's pretty basic. TI is worn on your left sleeve. One maple leaf / caduceus for every five years on the job ( with your department ).

 
mariomike said:
That's nice to see on the rare occasions when you wear your dress uniform.

On 9-1-1 operations, it's pretty basic. TI is worn on your left sleeve. One maple leaf / caduceus for every five years on the job ( with your department ).

Many officers, especially in Alberta, wear ribbons and pins on their patrol uniforms.

Jump Wings, Pathfinder badges, ribbons of all sorts.
 
LunchMeat said:
Many officers, especially in Alberta, wear ribbons and pins on their patrol uniforms. Jump Wings, Pathfinder badges, ribbons of all sorts.

My service experience was limited to Toronto. But, I remember seeing a few of our police officers wearing Exemplary Service ribbons made of metal with enamel paint on operations.

Paramedics were prohibited from wearing their ESM - enamel or cloth - or any other "ribbons and pins" because they could cut the patients when lifting and carrying them. They would soon get bloody anyway.  :)

If members of the emergency services have "Jump Wings, Pathfinder badges, ribbons of all sorts." that's nice. But, if partnered with someone on a 9-1-1 call, I would have been more interested in how long they had been on the job. That's what the cloth insignia on the left sleeve represented. Time-In.

 
For dress uniform, RCMP will allow Canadian honours system, and I've seen provincial honours/awards as well- some interesting racks with Alberta, Saskatchewan, and BC provincial medals combined with national ones. I've also seen an RCMP member with a CDS commendation he earned as RCMP as well. For patrol uniform, RCMP can wear ribbons- I've seen it in some areas, nto in others. My buddy who was working in the northern BC oil patch found that having a GCS on his body armour helped chill a few situations out, with guys who had served in the past recognizing it and telling their buddies to quit acting like idiots. I don't wear my ribbons personally, but that's really just becaue nobody where I am does and I'm disinclined to be 'that guy'.
 
Brihard said:
I've seen provincial honours/awards as well-

You can add municipal to that. eg: The City of Calgary has the federal Police ESM, Alberta Police Long Service Medal, and the Calgary Police Long Service Medal.

Sunday, May 1, 2016
Calgary: Crazy About Imaginary Medals
http://wearingyourmedalswrong.blogspot.ca/2016/05/calgary-crazy-about-imaginary-medals.html
"Following an all too common practice amongst a variety of protective services across Canada (QC, NS, BC, MB, SK, AB are all offenders), the Province of Alberta and Calgary Police Force have taken upon themselves to establish a whole range of medals."

Nice to see he left ON off his list.  :)




 
That article reads like the author is some pissed off guy who only has his CD and a 125 and doesn't like that people are getting recognized for things. There is no less saying provinces and municipalities cannot establish Honours, nor that such Honours cannot be worn on the left of a person's chest. There is no law that exclusively authorizes the federal Honours system and outlaws others. The author is keen on citing "the rules the rest of us need to follow", but there are no such 'rules' that exist in any enforceable way with the exception of S.419 CC, and that only has to do with unauthorized use. Medals awarded by provinces and municipalities are perfectly legal.

Summed up, the author is a cranky loser.
 
  :goodpost:

Brihard said:
Summed up, the author is a cranky loser.

Anyone who complains that our cities award too much bling to our emergency services, should see how many medals the City of New York awards to theirs.

ie: The City of New York has an index of 45 separate medals. Each one dedicated to their firefighters, paramedics and EMTs.

That doesn't include the NYPD who have their own medals.




 
mariomike said:
For reference,

Foreign Medals Regulations 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/29288.75.html
OP: "I'm wondering what the regulations are for CF pers. who have been awarded a foreign medal while they were not a member of the CFs.  Are they authorized to wear them while in uniform?"
4 pages.

See also,

Question about foreign service, medals and badges and para course for C.I.C.
http://army.ca/forums/threads/101988.0/nowap.html
OP: "I am wondering if I'm accepted and join the CIC will I be allowed to wear my British medals on my CF and my para wings?"
3 pages.

foreign awards and decorations 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/57386.0;nowap
OP: "i was wondering would i be eligible to wear awards which i had received whilst serving in australian defence force."
2 pages.

The "Wanting To Join Another Military" Thread- Them To Us- Us To Them 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/18494/post-664000.html#msg664000
"This is a dumb question, but are american decorations allowed/authorized to be worn on a Canadian Forces uniform?"

Bronze Stars On Hold for Snipers 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/2445.0/nowap.html
OP: "The awarding of three bronze stars and two bronze stars with distinction are to be awarded to PPCLI snipers."

American awards on Mess Dress 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/104521.0

Canadian Liberation of Kuwait medal 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/42295/post-367933.html#msg367933
"Members cannot wear it on thier uniforms due to it not being awarded by Canada though."
"I stand corrected."

etc...

As far as I am aware you can wear commonwealth service medals but they must be worn behind all CF service medals including the CD. As far as wearing foreign qualification badges  I do not believe that they're permitted to be worn if there is an equivalent CF qualification badge.
 
X_para76 said:
As far as I am aware you can wear commonwealth service medals but they must be worn behind all CF service medals including the CD. As far as wearing foreign qualification badges  I do not believe that they're permitted to be worn if there is an equivalent CF qualification do not get badge.
I'd sure like you to provide a reference to your comment.
US Ranger tabs for instance are permitted if earned. I'm sure there are others.
Where your wear your medals (either Canadian or foreign)or qualifying badges depends on depends on what uniform you are wearing(or not wearing) at the time.
If you have been awarded a medal or badge it is yours to wear in the appropriate circumstance
Canadian Forces dress regulations only apply to the Canadian Forces.
Yes there are some federal laws apply but nothing stops anyone one who has been awarded a foreign medal or qualifying badge to wear it other than the particular uniform regulations of the uniform they are wearing. For Canadians medals part of the National Honors system should be worn first.
Commonwealth awards (except those awarded, dating back to when Canadians were part of that system)  do not get special privileges. They are considered foreign awards same as elsewhere.
 
X Royal said:
I'd sure like you to provide a reference to your comment.
US Ranger tabs for instance are permitted if earned. I'm sure there are others.
Where your wear your medals (either Canadian or foreign)or qualifying badges depends on depends on what uniform you are wearing(or not wearing) at the time.
If you have been awarded a medal or badge it is yours to wear in the appropriate circumstance
Canadian Forces dress regulations only apply to the Canadian Forces.
Yes there are some federal laws apply but nothing stops anyone one who has been awarded a foreign medal or qualifying badge to wear it other than the particular uniform regulations of the uniform they are wearing. For Canadians medals part of the National Honors system should be worn first.
Commonwealth awards (except those awarded, dating back to when Canadians were part of that system)  do not get special privileges. They are considered foreign awards same as elsewhere.

Sorry. What I should have said is from my own experience I was allowed to wear my Brit medals but they're are supposed to be worn behind all CF medals.

I was not permitted to wear my para wings on my DEU's and with the possible exception of Mess kit I am not aware of an order of dress that would permit them to be worn.
 
So if a Brit had a Victoria Cross, he would have to mount it behind the CD if they transfer to the CAF?

Seems a bit off if you ask me.
 
recceguy said:
So if a Brit had a Victoria Cross, he would have to mount it behind the CD if they transfer to the CAF?

Seems a bit off if you ask me.

I'm not sure how that would work? You would think that the VC would be mounted ahead of all other decorations but in the case of campaign service medals those that aren't awarded by the CF are supposed to be mounted behind any CF awards including the CD.

The Drum Major for the GGFG's is ex 2nd Battalion Scots Guards and wears his N.Ireland medal and Falklands medal behind his CD. This wasn't my idea just what i was told when mounting my medals.
 
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