US Presidential Election 2020

[shawn5o]

Some NeverTrumpers may not like this


235 retired military leaders publicly endorse Trump in open letter – here it is

SEPTEMBER 15, 2020 LAURA WIDENER

In a new joint letter released Monday, 235 senior military leaders officially endorsed President Donald Trump’s reelection.

“The 2020 election affords the American people an urgently needed opportunity to affirm their devotion to the Constitution of the United States and to the American way of life. As senior leaders of America’s military, we took an oath to defend the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic. At present, our country is now confronted with enemies here and abroad, as well as a once in a century pandemic,” the letter says. “As retired military officers, we believe that Donald J. Trump has been tested as few other presidents have and is the proven leader to confront these dangers.”

The letter, which is signed by eight four-star generals/admirals, 42 three-star generals/admirals, goes on to call the 2020 presidential election the most important since the United States’ inception. It names off threats such as socialism and Marxism, and defense spending cuts as some of the most detrimental to Americans’ security and way of life.

“The Democrats’ opposition to border security, their pledge to return to the disastrous Iran nuclear deal, their antagonism towards the police and planned cuts to military spending will leave the United States more vulnerable to foreign enemies,” the letter says.

“The proposed defense cuts by the Democrats will, in our professional judgment, create a potentially perilous situation for the United States during a time of great external and internal threats to our Nation,” the letter adds.

Read the article at American Military News

:cheers:

 

[Remius]

If the only open sources for you on this topic are polls and pundit commentary, that explains a lot.


That wasn’t called for.  Let me help with a couple of examples instead:

NY Police union endorsed Trump after 40 yrs supporting the DNC.

Six Dem mayors in Minnesota endorse Trump.

Tons of anecdotal evidence dems are switching sides (walk away movement, etc)

COVID notwithstanding Trumps record on the economy and jobs was great and will be again.  “It’s the economy, stupid!”

Trump and peace deals. This is enormous.

No new wars.  This is enormous.

All of the “impossible” like embassy to Jerusalem, troop withdraw didn’t result in all Kurds dead, etc

Trump and record low unemployment in the black community.

Jobs vs mobs

Biden 47 yrs in office

Harris left primaries at about 2% support

You can go on and on and on. But if you want to ignore all that stuff and focus on a CNN talking head with a paid by CNN poll, go right ahead.

Thanks.  But none of that are indicators of a landslide.  I’m not even arguing that Biden is going to win,  I’m not sure he will.  None of what you listed are indicators of losing or winning.  You listed accomplishments (real or not) or support. 

The polls are tightening up.  With Biden with a lead that looks to be shrinking. Not abnormal going into a race but...being behind as an incumbent is not normally a good sign.

Now if you don’t like polls (Poll aggregates are actually better because they actually rate poll accuracy and bias) as an indicator, the go pay attention to what the betting houses are showing as odds and who is favoured.  THAT is likely a better indicator.  Nothing there either suggests a landslide. But it shows a much closer race than the polls are showing with Biden slightly ahead. 

One needs to know what is a landslide in US Elections.  Just google it.  Wikipedia explains it nicely.  Last one was Reagan I believe in the eighties.  Right now Trump does not have the numbers at this time  to get one.  He didn’t get one against Clinton so it’s doubtful he’ll get one here.

All indicators actually point to a close race that will likely be contested.  Why?

Because both candidate have actually indicated their intent to contest a close election result.

Not a landslide.  Not even close at this time.

 

[Weinie]

One of you will be proven right on 4 Nov.

 

[QV]

Precisely.  If anything, it will be a very interesting election.

 

[Donald H]

Some NeverTrumpers may not like this


235 retired military leaders publicly endorse Trump in open letter – here it is

SEPTEMBER 15, 2020 LAURA WIDENER

In a new joint letter released Monday, 235 senior military leaders officially endorsed President Donald Trump’s reelection.

“The 2020 election affords the American people an urgently needed opportunity to affirm their devotion to the Constitution of the United States and to the American way of life. As senior leaders of America’s military, we took an oath to defend the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic. At present, our country is now confronted with enemies here and abroad, as well as a once in a century pandemic,” the letter says. “As retired military officers, we believe that Donald J. Trump has been tested as few other presidents have and is the proven leader to confront these dangers.”

The letter, which is signed by eight four-star generals/admirals, 42 three-star generals/admirals, goes on to call the 2020 presidential election the most important since the United States’ inception. It names off threats such as socialism and Marxism, and defense spending cuts as some of the most detrimental to Americans’ security and way of life.

“The Democrats’ opposition to border security, their pledge to return to the disastrous Iran nuclear deal, their antagonism towards the police and planned cuts to military spending will leave the United States more vulnerable to foreign enemies,” the letter says.

“The proposed defense cuts by the Democrats will, in our professional judgment, create a potentially perilous situation for the United States during a time of great external and internal threats to our Nation,” the letter adds.

Read the article at American Military News

:cheers:

Shawn, is it fair to assume that you are in tune with the notion that the Iran nuclear deal was disasterous?

I bring the question up because I'm not in agreement with that idea at all. My opinion is that it was a deal that was working very well, albeit just holding everything in limbo for a long period of time. Also, the fact that the other parties to the agreement were happy with the deal and were being continuously reassured that Iran was holding to the agreement and was respectful of it's terms.

I think it was only intolerable to America because America's goal is war with Iran in order to settle all the ME's problems at once. And now, the situation hasn't really changed for the better, even though I have to wonder if it's changed for the worst. What I mean is, it's not a foregone conclusion that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons, but now there's no way of being able to monitor the situation to determine if they are or not.

And so time passes and the issue isn't being taken on and settled! So the possibilities?

Iran all of a sudden pops up with nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them a few hundred miles to Israel at least?

or

War with Iran to settle the issue once and for all?

The war option is plausible for America if it is able to enlist the support of the rest of the parties to the agreement, but probably not so plausible if the other parties balk. And also, there's little doubt that if there's a US war on Iran then Israel is toast.

Do you have any suggestions for a solution? I think the US needs to get back in the deal with Iran and the only way that could have any remote possibility of happening would be with Biden. No way Trump would ever do it!

Your thoughts?

:cheers:

 

[QV]

I still think Tulsi Gabbard would have been an excellent choice as Trumps VP, not sure if that is allowed or how that would work.  The Dems would have had a far better chance of winning if she were the nominee.

Here she is speaking sense and doing something about it.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/democrat-tulsi-gabbard-says-voter-fraud-serious-threat-seeks-outlaw

 

[mariomike]

I still think Tulsi Gabbard would have been an excellent choice as Trumps VP, not sure if that is allowed or how that would work.  The Dems would have had a far better chance of winning if she were the nominee.

Steve Bannon likes her too.

Calls her, "Queen of the Incels"
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk005yrd8vu1Y5CSqTplEFRLumhwgSQ%3A1600609078373&ei=NltnX6CoFq6HggfMgY9g&q=%22steve+bannon%22+%22queen+of+the+incels%22+&oq=%22steve+bannon%22+%22queen+of+the+incels%22+&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIHCCMQrgIQJ1CtO1itRmDxV2gAcAB4AIABpgGIAcMFkgEDMC42mAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwigm6m87ffrAhWug-AKHczAAwwQ4dUDCAw&uact=5#spf=1600609094661

“He loves Tulsi Gabbard. Loves her,” the Hill newspaper quoted a Bannon associate as saying after Bannon arranged for Gabbard to meet Trump following the November 2016 election."

538

What We Know About Tulsi Gabbard’s Base
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-we-know-about-tulsi-gabbards-base/

So what do we know about Gabbard’s base? For one thing, it’s overwhelmingly male —according to The Economist’s polling with YouGov, her support among men is in the mid-single digits, while her support among women is practically nonexistent.

Her supporters, for instance, are more likely to have backed President Trump in 2016, hold conservative views or identify as Republican compared to voters backing the other candidates.

Steve, Kellyanne and Tulsi.

 

[Remius]

Nikki Haley would have been far better. 

If she was on the ticket this time, polling numbers might be tighter than they are now.

 

[mariomike]

Nikki Haley would have been far better. 

If she was on the ticket this time, polling numbers might be tighter than they are now.

Perhaps considered "changing horses mid-stream" might disappoint some voters?

Who knows?

 

[Remius]

Some pundits actually said that the POTUS considered it but was convinced not to for that reason.

Pence is a lot of thing but he is loyal. 

 

[mariomike]

Some pundits actually said that the POTUS considered it but was convinced not to for that reason.

Pence is a lot of thing but he is loyal.

Loyal he is.

Andrew Cuomo vs Mike Pence in 2024?

 

[Remius]

Loyal he is.

Andrew Cuomo vs Mike Pence in 2024?

Pence won’t win the nomination.

 

[suffolkowner]

Continuing from the RBG thread it will be interesting to see if her death and possible replacement moves the needle. Personally I think it wont as people are probably pretty much decided and its a matter of turnout. I don't think that there is a lot of room for error on the Republican side. If I give Arizona, Florida, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Iowa, North Carolina, Ohio and Texas to Trump that gives him a total of 279. Thats with giving Michigan,Minnesota,Nevada,New Hampshire, and Wisconsin to Biden

 

[Donald H]

Continuing from the RBG thread it will be interesting to see if her death and possible replacement moves the needle. Personally I think it wont as people are probably pretty much decided and its a matter of turnout. I don't think that there is a lot of room for error on the Republican side. If I give Arizona, Florida, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Iowa, North Carolina, Ohio and Texas to Trump that gives him a total of 279. Thats with giving Michigan,Minnesota,Nevada,New Hampshire, and Wisconsin to Biden

I see it more as being like a dam that's about to burst at any moment!
It can only burst for Biden's advantage because Trump's support can only build slowly and so what Trump has now is pretty much what he gets in the end.

 

[Remius]

Continuing from the RBG thread it will be interesting to see if her death and possible replacement moves the needle. Personally I think it wont as people are probably pretty much decided and its a matter of turnout. I don't think that there is a lot of room for error on the Republican side. If I give Arizona, Florida, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Iowa, North Carolina, Ohio and Texas to Trump that gives him a total of 279. Thats with giving Michigan,Minnesota,Nevada,New Hampshire, and Wisconsin to Biden

I agree.  People have likely made up their minds.  And I agree it will be about turn out.  People sacred about what could happen with a real conservative majority on the bench and those hoping for one.

Either way, it will have a profound impact on the US for decades.

 

[a_majoor]

An interesting, if somewhat out of left field prediction. Pity there is no link back to the original to run it through the translator, but the assumptions (looking at various market indicators) have been long understood and accepted in other contexts:

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/09/chinese-index-predicts-trumpslide.html

Chinese index predicts Trumpslide

A Chinese reader has sent me a translation of an article from a Chinese website that refers to a manufacturing index often used for predictive purposes on the basis of orders received for relevant physical goods.

The US election in November is getting closer, and the campaign situation is getting more and more confusing. Many international media and forecasting agencies have also speculated. After all, whoever is elected will affect the international current situation and the interests of the public and enterprises. So, which party's forecast is accurate? In the last US presidential election, American forecasters predicted that Hillary Clinton would be elected, but at the last minute, Trump, a dark horse, came from behind and made it to the presidential throne. However, at that time, China's Yiwu Index showed that Trump would be elected, and the result was exactly as predicted. So, who will predict this year's US presidential election accurately?

As the U.S. presidential election draws closer, whether the White House will change hands, and if transactions become one of the focuses of investors' most attention. A survey conducted by the US media CNBC in early September showed that most stock strategists expected the Democratic candidate Biden to win the presidential election. Among the 20 strategists surveyed, 14 believe that Biden will defeat the current President Trump, and 3 strategists expect Trump to win. One of them pointed out that the situation in the swing state of Florida will determine Trump's future. Of the 20 strategists, 19 are from the United States and 1 from the Asia-Pacific region.

On the whole, domestic and foreign media are not optimistic about Trump. However, in the eyes of Chinese Yiwu businessmen, the result of the US election has been settled. Trump will definitely win the US presidential election and be re-elected as president! Why Yiwu merchants say this is mainly because they hold a mysterious "Yiwu Index".

Yiwu Small Commodities Merchants are Counting Commodities

Yiwu Index is a very interesting concept. It is the abbreviation of "Yiwu·China Commodity Index", which mainly reflects the price and prosperity of Yiwu small commodities. Generally speaking, the higher the Yiwu index of a small commodity, the broader its market prospects. The Yiwu Index is now the fifth largest intelligence agency in the world, a rising star in the intelligence system, especially in light of the last US election as it accurately predicted the presidential election in advance.

Experts can analyze the trend of the international market through the changes in Yiwu order data, and make predictions on international events based on this. For example, the BLM movement broke out in the United States and people demonstrated for equal rights. At the same time, Yiwu also received a large number of orders for propaganda materials, which determined that this protest would not end in a short time. This was indeed the case. The United States is about to begin the general election campaign, in which candidates will inevitably need a large number of campaign items, and Yiwu, as the world's small commodity distribution center, can use the data displayed by orders as a basis for judging the situation.

In the eyes of small businesses in Yiwu, the results of mainstream American polling agencies are false, as only "orders will not be faked", because more orders for aid materials mean that the campaign team’s funds are richer and there are more supporters. For example, in the past few months, Yiwu merchant Li Qingxiang has received more than 100,000 orders for Trump’s support flags, support hats, and even support masks and face towels. However, Biden’s support flags have only sold few thousand copies. From this perspective, Trump's true approval rate may be much higher than Biden.

Although there is not much rigorous scientific basis for using the Yiwu Index to infer the results of the U.S. general election, Yiwu, as the world's largest distribution center for small commodities, tends to be reliable in election politics in Europe and the United States. In today's world, the Yiwu Index can indeed become a "barometer" of many political hot events.

 

[Donald H]

Either way, it will have a profound impact on the US for decades.

Much to the detriment of the US if they are dictated an old belief system, held up and promoted by their Scotus, as the rest of the world moves on into the 21st. century. I just can't believe they will allow that kind of nonsense to continue.

China is already within four places of the US on quality of life for it's people. 15th. and 19th. standings.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-quality-life-number-one

 

[mariomike]

Continuing from the RBG thread it will be interesting to see if her death and possible replacement moves the needle.

Maybe. Maybe not. But, after the Republicans confirmed Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court in July 2018, "the Dems" won control of the House with the biggest ever margin of victory in total votes cast in a midterm election.

 

[Donald H]

Maybe. Maybe not. But, after the Republicans confirmed Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court in July 2018, "the Dems" won control of the House with the biggest ever margin of victory in total votes cast in a midterm election.

Very doubtful that confirming Kavanaugh resulted in any upswing for the Democrats. What it 'did' do was dramatically cause more polarization.

 

[mariomike]

Very doubtful that confirming Kavanaugh resulted in any upswing for the Democrats. What it 'did' do was dramatically cause more polarization.

Maybe a similar effect as the "migrant caravan" had on voters?

Before the midterms, Trump harped on the migrant caravan. Since then, he hasn’t brought it up.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/08/before-midterms-trump-harped-migrant-caravan-since-then-he-has-barely-mentioned-it/