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Jed said:
I don't like to say I am impressed by this sort of thing, but I did practice archery when I was younger and could barely hit the broad side of a barn door, let alone three moving targets.
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mariomike:
Don't confuse bow and arrow with crossbows. The later is extremely powerful compared to a standard bow and extremely precise, even at surprising ranges, in the hand of an experienced shooter - many people including some of my acquaintances hunt deer with a crossbow. Moreover, there are models out there with quick pump-action resets so you can actually "reload" very quickly.
As they are near silent, it would take a certain amount of time for anyone in the killing zone to process that (1) something happened to "John Doe" beside me! (2) What happened? (3) It's a short arrow - where the hell did it come from? (4) Oh God! I have to get out of ....hughhhh!
Don't confuse bow and arrow with crossbows. The later is extremely powerful compared to a standard bow and extremely precise, even at surprising ranges, in the hand of an experienced shooter - many people including some of my acquaintances hunt deer with a crossbow. Moreover, there are models out there with quick pump-action resets so you can actually "reload" very quickly.
As they are near silent, it would take a certain amount of time for anyone in the killing zone to process that (1) something happened to "John Doe" beside me! (2) What happened? (3) It's a short arrow - where the hell did it come from? (4) Oh God! I have to get out of ....hughhhh!
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Oldgateboatdriver said:
I watched a video review of this puppy. http://www.scorpyd.com/crossbows/ventilator/
The shooter was putting his bolt into the same hole shot after shot at 25M. This thing is fast and powerful. Very impressive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAxWc0VnFkg
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jollyjacktar said:
The Ventilator!
I wonder if that's what the guy ( I guess it was a guy? ) in Scarb. used? Whatever it was, it was one heck of a product endorsement. "When you absolutely, positively gotta kill every xxxxx in the room, accept noooo substitutes!"
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Oldgateboatdriver said:
During the Middle Ages the crossbow, was capable of penetrating chain mail/plate armour, which threatened the dominance on the battlefield by armoured horsemen. Also, anyone could use one including foot soldiers and peasants, which didn't endear them to the local nobility. And, if my memory serves me correctly, one of the popes even issued an edict stating they could only used against non-Christians (e.g) Muslims (an early example of trying to ban certain weapons that didn't work out so well).
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When set against good English bowmen with the longbow, the crossbow mercenaries of the French side were outclassed, outranged and outshot at places like Crecy and Agincourt.
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It took decades to make an archer of the sort jjt refers to. Starting from childhood.
I read somewhere that the Duke of Wellington seriously considered raising an archery corps due to the range, accuracy and rate of fire of the longbow but he was stymied by the above fact.
I read somewhere that the Duke of Wellington seriously considered raising an archery corps due to the range, accuracy and rate of fire of the longbow but he was stymied by the above fact.
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I have also read that it was law that archery practice was conducted on a regular basis as well to ensure there were bowmen to fill the ranks of the English army in places like France.
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jollyjacktar said:
True. I don't think there were any set rules specifying hours/days, etc, but I know various English rulers strongly encouraged the practice.
While the crossbow was cumbersome and slow to load and fire, it did have some advantages. As I mentioned previously, with a little training, pretty well anyone could use one and you didn't have to expose your whole body when firing.
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This guy can't be wrong. ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill
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The plot thickens. The Scarborough Archer connected to a CBRNE call on Queen's Quay,
Toronto police have evacuated a downtown condo building as they investigate a report of a suspicious package, an incident investigators have confirmed is linked to the deaths of three people in Scarborough from crossbow injuries.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/queens-quay-evacuation-1.3736077
Kelly estimated it takes an average of 15 to 20 seconds for someone to fire, reload and then re-cock, though someone who is very proficient could bring it down to 10 seconds. It takes some “muscle and effort,” about 150 to 175 pounds of draw weight, to re-cock a bow, he said.
Our Archery enthusiasts may find this of interest,
Questions remain about how exactly the incident unfolded, including how three people could possibly be killed by a crossbow. An archery expert who spoke with CTV News Channel on Thursday said it’s “an extremely long process” to load a crossbow.
“This is quite the procedure, even if you had a cocking aid,” said Kathleen Millar, former technical and executive director of Archery Canada. “You have to lean over, pull it up -- it’s quite an onerous task … it takes quite a few seconds to get it set up in order to just cock it, and then put the bolt into the bow.”
Millar pointed out that police are still unsure about the circumstances of the alleged attack, but said that she “can’t see that more than one person could’ve been injured that way.”
“In a timeframe such as that, the possibility of being able to re-cock a crossbow to use it again in a heightened situation like that, I find it very difficult to believe that it’s possible,” she said.
Trifecta.
Toronto police have evacuated a downtown condo building as they investigate a report of a suspicious package, an incident investigators have confirmed is linked to the deaths of three people in Scarborough from crossbow injuries.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/queens-quay-evacuation-1.3736077
Oldgateboatdriver said:
Kelly estimated it takes an average of 15 to 20 seconds for someone to fire, reload and then re-cock, though someone who is very proficient could bring it down to 10 seconds. It takes some “muscle and effort,” about 150 to 175 pounds of draw weight, to re-cock a bow, he said.
Our Archery enthusiasts may find this of interest,
Questions remain about how exactly the incident unfolded, including how three people could possibly be killed by a crossbow. An archery expert who spoke with CTV News Channel on Thursday said it’s “an extremely long process” to load a crossbow.
“This is quite the procedure, even if you had a cocking aid,” said Kathleen Millar, former technical and executive director of Archery Canada. “You have to lean over, pull it up -- it’s quite an onerous task … it takes quite a few seconds to get it set up in order to just cock it, and then put the bolt into the bow.”
Millar pointed out that police are still unsure about the circumstances of the alleged attack, but said that she “can’t see that more than one person could’ve been injured that way.”
“In a timeframe such as that, the possibility of being able to re-cock a crossbow to use it again in a heightened situation like that, I find it very difficult to believe that it’s possible,” she said.
Trifecta.
Judging by the photo, one was killed outside, the rest....... inside? Maybe? A crossbow is a very silent weapon. If each kill is not a function of the other, or aware of the other, you could walk around backyards and kill all night without anyone noticing.
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Some of the deceased could have simply been stabbed with the bolt. I also haven't seen what kind of tip it was. Was it a field tip or a broadhead? If you've never seen what damage a broadhead can do, you'd be impressed.
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recceguy said:
At first, it seemed all three had been shot. But,
"It appears they were stabbed – not shot – with a crossbow bolt."
http://www.680news.com/2016/08/26/my-brothers-bleeding-in-the-driveway-three-dead-in-crossbow-murder/
Autopsies are scheduled for later today.
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Chinese repeating crossbow, sort of the SMG of the crossbow world, gives up power for ROF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDeAxTxzorE
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mariomike said:
Looks like the alleged perp strangulated the woman ( mother? ).
Toronto police Det. Sgt. Mike Carbone says a woman found in a stand-alone garage on Thursday died from ligature strangulation, a man found in the same garage died from a crossbow bolt stab wound to the neck and a man found in the driveway died from a single arrowhead stab wound to the neck.
However, he would not say whether the bolt and arrowhead were shot or used as handheld weapons.
http://www.cp24.com/news/woman-strangled-men-wounded-in-neck-in-murders-involving-crossbow-1.3048889
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I'll take a guess at stabbing. A bolt at that range from even a mediocre crossbow should just about always end up with the bolt going straight through the bodies.
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Just read on FB that a friend who was Released recently, after serving in CJIRU for over a decade, has been refused his ON Dvr Lic because he has "an OSI/PTSD on file in Ontario". He was even given a hard time when talking with a belligerent Services Ontario rep on the phone. (Note: This is his side of the story.)
I wonder if this is an isolated incident, or a regular occurrence?
I wonder if this is an isolated incident, or a regular occurrence?
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