The US Presidency 2019

[Fishbone Jones]

In respect of the presidential election, there is no 'popular' vote that enters into the system or process.

Discussion of a 'popular' vote is a canard and a diversion and is irrelevant to the conversation of presidential elections, in the US.

Currently, it is mostly trotted out by hillary supporters and liberals that, three years later, can't accept their loss.

It carries zero weight and consequence. It's just a sound bite that means nothing and only tries to cloud the issue.

:2c:

 

[Remius]

Yeah, you know everything upsets him.  ;D

Keeps him busy on Twitter.

 

[mariomike]

It's been 3 freakin' years....Trump won...get over it. 

Loud and clear.

But, like it or not, the investigation into the election is still in the news,

07/02/2019

Trump to hold rally on Mueller testimony day
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/02/trump-mueller-testimony-day-1396053
President Donald Trump is set to hold a rally on the same day that former special counsel Robert Mueller will make his highly anticipated testimony before Congress.

Not sure, but the current POTUS seems upset about it.

Seems that way,

June 24th, 2019

Trump’s latest California voter fraud claim as baseless as past allegations
https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2019/jun/24/donald-trump/pants-fire-trumps-latest-california-voter-fraud-cl/
Todd: "You didn't like the fact that you lost the popular vote. That bothered you, didn't it?"

 

[Journeyman]

He's also not stupid, else he'd likely be much less rich and presidenty than he is now.

  :facepalm:  He came into life as a millionaire through inherited wealth, and has since declared SIX corporate bankruptcies.  Of course, anyone worshipping such an unrepentant compulsive liar would dismiss mere facts as irrelevant;  yep, he's a genius.

And as I haven't a clue how his behaviour could possibly  be 'much less "presidenty",' I'll just bow out and let the Lewinsky-fest continue.

 

[tomahawk6]

He has presided over a stunning economic recovery. Facts are facts. It was enabled by eliminating Obama rules.He has enabled dialogue with North Korea and renegotiated some bad trade deals. I predict this thread will continue into 2020 after his re-election.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

  :facepalm:  He came into life as a millionaire through inherited wealth, and has since declared SIX corporate bankruptcies.  Of course, anyone worshipping such an unrepentant compulsive liar would dismiss mere facts as irrelevant;  yep, he's a genius.

And as I haven't a clue how his behaviour could possibly  be 'much less "presidenty",' I'll just bow out and let the Lewinsky-fest continue.

:rofl:

 

[Bird_Gunner45]

He has presided over a stunning economic recovery. Facts are facts. It was enabled by eliminating Obama rules.He has enabled dialogue with North Korea and renegotiated some bad trade deals. I predict this thread will continue into 2020 after his re-election.

If you look at the statistics of the US economy since 2010, the Trump years largely fall into the general trend that started under Obama. Theres little statistical evidence to prove a "stunning economic recovery", though the economic trends have remained relatively favourable.

https://ig.ft.com/sites/numbers/economies/us/

His discussions with North Korea is a positive step.

 

[FJAG]

If you look at the statistics of the US economy since 2010, the Trump years largely fall into the general trend that started under Obama. Theres little statistical evidence to prove a "stunning economic recovery", though the economic trends have remained relatively favourable.

https://ig.ft.com/sites/numbers/economies/us/

His discussions with North Korea is a positive step.

Agree fully with your assessment on the economy. Trump has done little beyond lining a few more pockets amongst the 1%.

Re Korea, I think Trump's only accomplishment is to provide North Korea with a major psychological victory by giving legitimacy to what is one of the world's most repressive and disgusting regimes. Anyone can be a sycophant the way Trump has been. There has been little or no progress respecting denuclearization and there is no prospect that there ever will be.

:cheers:

 

[Brad Sallows]

>Pretty hard to beat the Republicans when a state like Wyoming ( population 580,000 ) has just as much clout as California ( population 40 million ).

Since we're playing Stupid Numbers Games, look on the bright side.  35 Senate seats were up for election; Democrats won 24* and Republicans 11.  (*Both independents caucus with the Democrats; one is currently running for the Democratic presidential nomination).  Democrats won 68.6% of the races with only 59.4% of the popular vote.

(CA, with its peculiar electoral system which resulted in two Democrats running off for the Senate seat, isn't the best example to use for beating the results-should-reflect-voter-party-distribution dead horse.)

 

[tomahawk6]

Agree fully with your assessment on the economy. Trump has done little beyond lining a few more pockets amongst the 1%.

Re Korea, I think Trump's only accomplishment is to provide North Korea with a major psychological victory by giving legitimacy to what is one of the world's most repressive and disgusting regimes. Anyone can be a sycophant the way Trump has been. There has been little or no progress respecting denuclearization and there is no prospect that there ever will be.

:cheers:

The economy was crap and it was all Obama. doing as he was a devout socialist, if not a communist.

 

[Brad Sallows]

(Another post disappeared into the aether.  Well, I suppose it'll help me to be concise.)

>Not sure, but the current POTUS seems upset about it.

Not as upset as the people on the losing side of the electoral college result.

There is nothing stunning about the current economic recovery.  It has always been atypically weak.  People currently bragging about low unemployment numbers are making the same mistake as Obama's cheerleaders: not accounting for the number of people who stopped looking for work, who are not counted in the conventional measure (the U3 number).  The only thing stunning about the current period of expansion is its duration.

Nevertheless, given the uptick in employment among the people in the lowest income range, a helluva lot more than "lining a few more pockets amongst the 1%" has happened recently.

 

[FJAG]

The economy was crap and it was all Obama. doing as he was a devout socialist, if not a communist.

Just a little primer on the 2007-2008 Financial Crisis that developed and exploded under Bush and which Obama's administration had to clean up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%932008

Take your time reading it. No rush. There are dozens of external links to help you delve into reality.

Cheers.

:cheers:

 

[YZT580]

Just a little primer on the 2007-2008 Financial Crisis that developed and exploded under Bush and which Obama's administration had to clean up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%932008

Take your time reading it. No rush. There are dozens of external links to help you delve into reality.

Cheers.
From what I have been given to understand and, from what I have read, the Lehmann sub-prime system was established by legislation passed during the Clinton era. 

 

[FJAG]

T6's comment was that it "was all Obama". It wasn't.

That said I'm not so sure that the sub-prime issue can be laid at the feet of the Clinton congress. If it does go that far back there were several Republican administrations which could have intervened if they had recognized and wanted to correct the issue. They didn't. The real proximate causes of the bubble came during the Bush years:

...  Two proximate causes were the rise in subprime lending and the increase in housing speculation. The percentage of lower-quality subprime mortgages originated during a given year rose from the historical 8% or lower range to approximately 20% from 2004 to 2006, with much higher ratios in some parts of the U.S.[6][7] A high percentage of these subprime mortgages, over 90% in 2006 for example, were adjustable-rate mortgages.[4] Housing speculation also increased, with the share of mortgage originations to investors (i.e. those owning homes other than primary residences) rising significantly from around 20% in 2000 to around 35% in 2006–2007 ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_crisis

:cheers:

 

[Brad Sallows]

The crisis emerged from factors going back at least 30 years.

Whose "watch" it happened on is an infantile point of view.  Congress was responsible for most of the militating factors, the crisis stabilization measures (successful), and the post-crisis attempts to goose economic growth (weak).  Congress was not under unified party control of one party during all that time.

 

[FJAG]

The crisis emerged from factors going back at least 30 years.

Whose "watch" it happened on is an infantile point of view.  Congress was responsible for most of the militating factors, the crisis stabilization measures (successful), and the post-crisis attempts to goose economic growth (weak).  Congress was not under unified party control of one party during all that time.

So just to be clear; are you calling T6 "infantile" for putting it on Obama or me for putting it on Bush?

:dunno:

 

[Brad Sallows]

The point of view is infantile (childish, simplistic) irrespective of which team's flag is carried.  Persons not normally infantile can hold an infantile point of view; they may choose to learn more and amend it.

 

[dimsum]

The economy was crap and it was all Obama. doing as he was a devout socialist, if not a communist.

I'm interested to know how his administration, which came into effect on Jan 20, 2009, could have prevented the crapshow that was the GFC of 2007-2008.

 

[Brad Sallows]

"The economy was crap"

Not much point assessing the truth of that statement unless the speaker clarifies whether he is talking about the crisis, the recovery, or both.  The crisis has been described as the worst one since the Great Depression.  The recovery has been described as the weakest/slowest (and longest - a positive feature which might be in some way dependent on the slow pace).  The crisis stabilization measures worked well enough to arrest the crisis.  The recovery measures didn't work very well.  The government distracted itself with the PPACA when it should have been working on recovery measures.

 

[Remius]

Did anyone watch the POTUS 4th of July speech yesterday?

I did and my wife and I both did a double take as we thought we heard him mention how troops captured airports during the revolutionary war. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/04/independence-day-donald-trump-trips-up-revolutionary-war-history/1638531001/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/05/flight-of-fancy-trump-claims-1775-revolutionary-army-took-over-airports

;D  Guess we weren't hearing things...

Before I get pounced on by Trump supporters: Yes I realize it was likely a stumble while reading a teleprompter and no I don't believe that he believes that the US continental army captured airports in 1775.  I just found it funny.