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The Khadr Thread

The Canadian tax payer should not be burdened one cent with this guy.

He commited a crime against the USA, and killed a US soldier in a foreign country while at war, and as far as I am concerned, let the Yanks foot the bill and throw away the key after the trial.
 
Not a problem Wes..... would just like the Yanks to get it over with.
Get it out of the press - if that's at all possible... I'm tired of hearing about it & going thru with the trial is the only way I can see this being concluded.
 
Infidel-6 said:
   ::)    Sorry GEO on this I think you following down similar lines as that crackpot Dallaire

Careful with that crackpot comment, some people on this site seem to worship at the altar of Romeo. >:D I personally think it was an apt description of him.

My take on the Khadr clan is simple, 1. Send them all packing 2. Revoke their citizenship 3. Ignore the idiot in Gitmo.
 
I do find it amazing that we want to thorw the book at teenage car thieves, but we treat this terrorist family with kid gloves.
I wouldn't shed too many tears over this individual. In fact, none at all.
As for Senator Dalliare, while I agree with some of his views, I can't agree with him on this.
 
OS... Note that I do not dissagree with your last statement BUT, if the US has indicated that they will bring him to trial and see justice done.... then, let's get the show on the road and serve justice as prescribed....

The long drawn out story is just creating the impression that the US is trying to hide something ( what? )
 
I agree with you on that one geo. Lets' get in done.
Have you ever listened to Black Op Radio?
 
Black op radio... nope, don't need no stinking radio to see conspiracies.... they're everywhere >:D

Let's get it done
 
More evidence surfaces:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080515.wkhadrzaynab15/BNStory/National/home

Computer held by Khadr's sister contains al-Qaeda files, RCMP say

COLIN FREEZE

From Thursday's Globe and Mail

May 15, 2008 at 4:48 AM EDT

The RCMP say they have uncovered a treasure trove of al-Qaeda files from a computer once held by Abdullah Khadr's sister, including "some sort of military operational plan to infiltrate Burma," according to court files seen by The Globe and Mail.

In February, 2005, Zaynab Khadr left Pakistan to return to Canada, where she has never been arrested or charged with a crime. Still, the Mounties claim she left behind "two large metal containers" in Pakistan that they searched once they were shipped to Canada on June 15, 2005.

Court documents filed in one of her brother's cases show the Mounties say they found a hard drive that includes "material dealing with bomb making, ricin, techniques of assassination, chemicals, poisons, silencers, etc; incoming and outgoing e-mails of Zaynab Khadr."

The once-secret RCMP memo of August, 2005, then goes on to describe other seized files, including "some sort of military operational plan to infiltrate Burma and establish an al-Qaeda base, curriculum for religious studies at al-Faruq training camp, techniques to invade prisons, contract for immoral acts; administrative letters from [Osama bin Laden], ETC."

Asked about the alleged findings yesterday, a lawyer for the Khadr family said: "We don't have any knowledge about the provenance of this material." Nathan Whitling added in his e-mail: "We note that no prosecution has resulted from any of this."

The computer seizure in question is distinct from a previously reported seizure of Ms. Khadr's laptop that occurred as she arrived at Pearson International Airport in Toronto.

A court-filed transcript shows her brother, in a subsequent RCMP interview, upheld that much of the extremist propaganda on the laptop did not belong to Zaynab. "That's my father's hard drive," Abdullah Khadr told the Mounties. He later added that he had personally directed his sister to upload certain jihadist material.

The date of the RCMP container searches - June 15, 2005 - is significant. That was the day Canadian officials had hoped to put Abdullah Khadr on board a British Airways flight back to Canada, before his Pakistani jailers suddenly reneged for unexplained reasons.

Asked whether there was a relationship between the searches and the scuttled flight, Mr. Whitling said: "We do not believe that any of the material seized has anything to do with his case or the cancellation of his flight."

The fruits of the computer seizures are documented on a Aug. 23, 2005, fax the Mounties sent to the FBI, who were growing increasingly interested in prosecuting a Khadr. A censored version of the memo is now publicly available as part of the continuing Abdullah Khadr extradition case.

Records show the Mounties were very curious to know about the family's relationship with a reputed al-Qaeda bomb-maker - since killed - known as Abu Khabbab Al-Masri, whom the RCMP suggest actually wrote many of the seized files. "He knew my father but they were not on good terms," Abdullah Khadr told the Mounties.
 
Supreme Court ruling a partial win for Omar Khadr

Updated Fri. May. 23 2008 1:04 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff

Omar Khadr won a limited victory in the Supreme Court of Canada Friday, but his lawyer had hoped for more.

In a 9-0 ruling, the SCC said that Khadr has a constitutional right to material related to interviews conducted by Canadian officials in 2003 at Guantanamo Bay.

But the ruling allows the government to object to releasing some documents for national security reasons. The SCC ruling also said that Khadr does not have the right to access some of the documents that Ottawa holds regarding the case.

Khadr's Canadian lawyer, Nathan Whitling, told Canada AM that the ruling contained both "good and bad news."

Whitling said that he won't get many of the documents he wanted.

A Federal Court judge will review the materials and decide which ones to disclose.

The SCC decision was based on a "U.S. Supreme Court decision in 2004 that said that the Guantanamo Bay process violates international law," CTV's Rosemary Thompson told Canada AM Friday.

The ruling could have far-flung implications as legal experts say it could decide whether, diplomats, intelligence officials and military officials are bound to uphold the Charter of Rights in overseas dealings.

"The process in place at Guantanamo Bay at the time Canadian officials interviewed K(hadr) and passed on the fruits of the interviews to U.S. officials has been found by the U.S. Supreme Court ... to violate U.S. domestic law and international human rights obligations to which Canada subscribes,'' the ruling said.

Khadr, now 21, is the only remaining Western prisoner at Guantanamo Bay. The Canadian government, unlike other Western nations who had citizens detained there, has not pushed to have Khadr returned home.

Khadr was captured in 2002 following a firefight with U.S. Special Forces. He was taken to Afghanistan by his father, who had ties to al Qaeda and was killed in Pakistan in 2003. The Pentagon maintains Khadr threw a grenade during the fight, killing a U.S. soldier.

Foreign Affairs and CSIS officials questioned Khadr at Guantanamo in 2003, and shared their findings with the U.S.

With files from The Canadian Press
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080523/khadr_SCC_080523/20080523?hub=TopStories
 
Khadr 'salvageable:' U.S. guard
Steven Edwards ,  Canwest News Service
Published: 2330ish, 02 Jun 08

NEW YORK - Omar Khadr's American guards at Guantanamo Bay describe the Canadian terror suspect as "salvageable," "non-radicalized" and a "good kid," according to internal reports written by Canadian government officials who've visited him at the U.S. naval base in Cuba.

One also signals Khadr, 21, has begun to distance himself from his family, which many Canadians consider synonymous with terrorism because of their expressions of support for - and past involvement with - al-Qaida.

"Omar barely broached the subject of his family, beyond sharing with me a few memories, such as learning to ride a bike with his uncle in Ottawa," writes Suneeta Millington, a legal officer with the Department of Foreign Affairs, who met with Khadr in Guantanamo on March 12 and 14.

"I conveyed to him that he was now allowed another phone call home, and could let the guards know when he wanted to schedule it, but he didn't seem overly keen to do so."

The reports - a second one by Foreign Affairs deputy director Karim Amegan is based on his visits with Khadr on April 8, 9 and 11 - offer the first glimpse of the person the Toronto-born youth is today.

They emerge less than a week after the controversial war crimes commission that will try Khadr was thrown into disarray with the abrupt replacement of the case judge, army Col. Peter Brownback.

"These reports are about as close as you can get to a direct recommendation by Canadian officials for Prime Minister Stephen Harper call on the U.S. authorities to return Omar to Canada," said U.S. navy Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler, Khadr's assigned military lawyer.

"We know the Canadian government is concerned about which way Omar might turn if he returns, but here we have not only Canadian officials saying he's changed as he's matured, but the U.S. guards who see him every day."

Seized at age 15 by U.S. forces after a 2002 firefight in Afghanistan, Khadr is accused of five war crimes, including murder in a grenade attack that left a U.S. serviceman fatally wounded.

He spent much of his childhood in Afghanistan, where his Islamic fundamentalist father, a naturalized Canadian, helped build al-Qaida by serving as financier to its leader, Osama bin Laden.

Amegan's report says Khadr now believes he is a victim of his upbringing and seeks to redirect his life.

"He said that he is in Guantanamo because of his family and that he wants another chance," Amegan writes. "He said that he wants to train for a job that will allow him to play a useful role in society by helping others - he said 'the neediest'."

The U.S. doesn't allow media interviews with detainees but Canadian officials are granted so-called "welfare" visits with Khadr, the only western national among the remaining 270 terror suspects after other western governments negotiated to return their citizens.

The first known access Canadian officials had to Khadr in Guantanamo was in 2003, but the latest reports indicate he's much calmer than he was then, when he still faced regular interrogations - some of which his lawyers say involved coercion, possibly torture.

"Throughout my meetings with him, Mr. Khadr was friendly and in good humour . . .," Amegan writes. "Mr. Khadr spontaneously made the following comments: he finds court proceedings boring. He appreciates the opportunity welfare visits offer him to interact with people from Canada. He said that he trusts the Canadian officials who have visited him and sends his regards to them. He wonders however why Canada is so quiet on his case and commented that, while Canada was the best country in the world to live in, it was not as strong as the U.K. to defend its citizens abroad, although both countries have the same Queen."

The same U.S. military escort helped co-ordinate the meetings for both Amegan and Millington, and Amegan states he repeated what he had said to his Canadian colleague about Khadr being "good" and "salvageable."

"This opinion was also expressed by other U.S. officers encountered during my stay," said Amegan. "(The escort) said that extended detention in Guantanamo would, however, run the risk of turning him into a radical."

For now, Millington suggests, Khadr has not retained - or is perhaps letting go of - some of the fundamentalism that surrounded him as he grew up.

"Omar was praying when I first arrived for our initial visit, but did not seem bothered by missing a number of prayers over the course of our two visits, nor did he seem upset by the fact that I had not been able to find an English Qur'an in time to bring down with me," she writes.

Of the three camps run by the U.S. military's Joint Task Force, Khadr is held in the "medium security" Camp 4, where detainees can mix outdoors with one another on their respective small blocks for up to 20 hours a day, and have access to an exercise yard for two hours a day.

According to Millington, Khadr is "well liked both within the camp" and by the guards.

"JTF staff seem to look out for him by stopping by to chat on occasion, convincing him to meet with his lawyers and encouraging him to 'keep his nose clean'," she writes.

She also goes into more detail about what Khadr told her of his ambitions.

"He is particularly fixated with wanting to travel and see the world, connect to people from a variety of different cultures and . . . simply live a 'normal life' and be a normal person."

Millington says Khadr has focused on a number of specific goals, including becoming an Emergency Medical Technician, launching a charity to help "the neediest" in Africa, or "perhaps work" for the International Red Cross.

Khadr's father, killed in a 2003 raid by Pakistani forces, launched a charity that American prosecutors said channelled money to terrorist training camps in Afghanistan.

Millington says of the younger Khadr: "He broached the topic of public scrutiny of any organization in which he is involved, and for this reason indicated he would like to conduct all work openly and transparently, under the auspices of the United Nations."

Amegan says Khadr was receiving no formal education, and despite JTF's plans to offer the "compliant" detainees of Camp 4 literacy classes in English, Pashto and Arabic, there were "currently no teachers."

"There is a TV room where movies, nature programs and highlights of international soccer games are shown," he writes. "There is also a library . . . from which Mr. Khadr borrows novels."

He indicated Khadr, who speaks English, Arabic, Pashto and Farsi, would "like to improve his writing skills" and has a dictionary "that he tries to learn things from."

"He expressed interest in learning French and asked for a book on French for beginners," Amegan writes. "He had been provided with workbooks in mathematics during a previous visit but he said that it was too difficult for him without help."

Canwest News Service 2008
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=fe197c74-2c6a-427b-a1bb-e58e3314628a
 
Ottawa won't seek return of Khadr, Harper says
CAMPBELL CLARK Globe and Mail Update July 10, 2008 at 3:54 AM EDT
Article Link

TOKYO — Prime Minister Stephen Harper says he will not seek to bring alleged Canadian terrorist Omar Khadr home from Guatanamo Bay prison despite the unsealing of documents that reveal Canadian officials knew that he was deprived of sleep and forced to change cells every three hours to “make him more amenable and willing to talk.”

Mr. Harper's government has long insisted that it sought and received assurances from the U.S. that Mr. Khadr was being treated humanely, but the documents dating from 2003 and 2004 – when Mr. Khadr was 17 years old – indicate Canadian officials knew of his conditions and mistreatment.

On Thursday, Mr. Harper said Mr. Khadr is accused of serious crimes, and there's no real alternative to the special military hearings he faces – and he has no intention of asking for him to be sent to Canada.

“The answer is no,” Mr. Harper said. “The former government and our government, with the advice of the Department of Justice, considered all the questions there, and the situation remains the same.”

He argued that the special U.S. military trial that Mr. Khadr faces – in which he does not have the same standard of legal representation and rights he would in an ordinary criminal trial – is the only way he could be brought to answer the charges against him.

“Mr. Khadr is accused of very serious things. There is a legal process in the United States. He can make his arguments in that process,” Mr. Harper said on a visit to Tokyo after the three-day summit of G8 leaders in northern Japan.

“But frankly, we do not have a real alternative to that process now to get to the truth about those accusations, and we believe that this process should continue. So we are looking at that process with great interest. And we continue to seek assurances of the good treatment of Mr. Khadr.”

Mr. Khadr was 15 when he was captured after a firefight in Afghanistan in 2002. He faces multiple terrorism-related charges, the most serious dealing with the killing of a U.S. soldier. If convicted, he faces a maximum sentence of life in prison.
More on link
 
I just sadly read that they are going to release the 7hr interrogation video which his family hopes to use for public outrage/rally to bring this killer terrorist home.

Home is where I live with my family and I do not want this terrorist here! He belongs where he is now to rot. The real outrage and public outcry should be now against these manipulative media reports with the possiblility of his return to Canadian soil.

 
RecDiver said:
I just sadly read that they are going to release the 7hr interrogation video which his family hopes to use for public outrage/rally to bring this killer terrorist home.

Home is where I live with my family and I do not want this terrorist here! He belongs where he is now to rot. The real outrage and public outcry should be now against these manipulative media reports with the possiblility of his return to Canadian soil.
If they want to use the video in his trial... not a problem - for local viewing.... only|
Why would they release the video to the public though ??? doesn't make any sense
 
geo said:
If they want to use the video in his trial... not a problem - for local viewing.... only|
Why would they release the video to the public though ??? doesn't make any sense

I am sure they won't release the entire video.  They will go through it looking for anything "bad" that they can piece together to make it look like the poor little lad is being treated extremely bad and that he only gave his answers under extreme distress and threat of life. Personally I am beginning to think the idea of take no prisoners is sounding better and better everyday.
 
Lol...his family actually expects to get him back?

I suspect one of the reasons why the gov't is not asking for him back right now is so that he can be convicted of something. Then, we can negotiate his return like they did with that Martin woman and force him to undergo psychiatric treatment. If we asked the American to release him to us now, we couldn't really hold him on anything and he'd simply end up back in the Islamist community, having his mind warped even more.

I saw bits of the video today...screwed up kid, but not too out of wack with a messed up metal-head or gansta from downtown TO. If Canadians want someone to blame for that, don't blame the guard at Gitmo who seem to have been sympathetic to him - blame his mother.
 
A sobbing Omar Khadar being asked questions by Canadian officials.Sorry but I dont have much sympathy for al qaeda killers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7507216.stm

A videotape of a detainee being questioned at the US prison camp in Guantanamo Bay has been released for the first time.

It shows 16-year-old Omar Khadr being asked by Canadian officials in 2003 about events leading up to his capture by US forces, Canadian media have said.

The Canadian citizen is accused of throwing a grenade that killed a US soldier in Afghanistan in 2002.

He is seen in a distressed state and complaining about the medical care.

The footage was made public by Mr Khadr's lawyers following a Supreme Court ruling in May that the Canadian authorities had to hand over key evidence against him to allow a full defence of the charges he is facing.

'Help me'

Mr Khadr, the only Westerner still held at the jail, was 15 when he was captured by US forces during a gun battle at a suspected al-Qaeda camp in Afghanistan.

During the 10-minute video of his questioning in Guantanamo a year later, he can be seen crying, his face buried in his hands, and pulling at his hair. He can be heard repeatedly chanting: "Help me."

At one point he lifts his orange shirt to show the foreign ministry official and agents from the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) wounds on his back and stomach which he says he sustained in Afghanistan.

"I'm not a doctor, but I think you're getting good medical care," one of the officials responds.

Mr Khadr says: "No I'm not. You're not here... I lost my eyes. I lost my feet. Everything!" in reference to how his vision and physical health were affected.

"No, you still have your eyes and your feet are still at the end of your legs, you know," a man says.

Sobbing uncontrollably, Mr Khadr tells the officials several times: "You don't care about me."

In an accompanying classified document describing the interrogation, Mr Khadr also says he was tortured while being held at the US military detention centre at Bagram air base in Afghanistan.

One of Mr Khadr's lawyers, Dennis Edney, said they hoped the video would cause an outcry in Canada and pressure Prime Minister Stephen Harper to demand the US not prosecute their client.

"I hope Canadians will be outraged to see the callous and disgraceful treatment of a Canadian youth," Mr Edney told the Toronto Star.

"Canadians should demand to know why they've been lied to."

Mr Harper reiterated last week that he would not interfere in Mr Khadr's military tribunal, due to begin at Guantanamo on 8 October.

Mr Khadr, now 21, faces multiple terrorism-related charges, the most serious of which is murder. He faces up to life in prison if convicted.

 
Al Khadar being treated in the field by US medics.

khadr.jpg
 
tomahawk6 said:
One of Mr Khadr's lawyers, Dennis Edney, said they hoped the video would cause an outcry in Canada and pressure Prime Minister Stephen Harper to demand the US not prosecute their client.

"I hope Canadians will be outraged to see the callous and disgraceful treatment of a Canadian youth," Mr Edney told the Toronto Star.

"Canadians should demand to know why they've been lied to."

WHHAAT

Personally I thought they were being pretty nice to him.  It wasn't disgraceful (based on the video).
 
Anyone willing to share a link to said video?  Thanks in advance...
 
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