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The Great Gun Control Debate
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OldSolduer
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milnews.ca said:
SURE they are......Mind you the other parties are the same.
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True, but we've seen the other parties be the same, while the NDP is trying to sell itself as different from the Big Two.Jim Seggie said:
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Imagine, voting the way your constituents, that elected you, want you to. What a novel, democratic idea.
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NavyShooter said:
That sentiment was included in my previous sentence - "hugely symbolic and serve as a memorial" - paraphrasing the verbal garbage spewed by CGC as "justification" for this insanity. I didn't want to prattle on too much.
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Loachman said:
Just some stats on suicide and murder:
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- Suicides were down slightly in 2008 compared to 1998.
- Suicides by strangulation/suffocation's were up in 2008.
- Suicides by firearms in 2008 were down significantly.
- Total murders in both years were almost the same.
- Murders with firearms were up in 2008.
- According to the stats, handguns, rifles, shotguns make up a small majority of the firearms used in either suicides/murders. The problem is that the majority of firearms in both suicides/murders are listed as "other/unspecified" which makes the actual breakdown analysis of firearms deaths pretty well impossible.
- When I get chance I'll also look at suicides by other means to look at differences between the two years.
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To reach your comments, you must correct your data for population growth.
!998: Pop. 29,565,000
2008: Pop. 32,400,000
So that would mean that the "total murders" are down significantly in 2008 vice 1998.
Similarly, "suicide by firearms" are wayyyy down in 2008.
That is why comparisons of this nature are always made on the basis of "event" per 10,000 or 100,000 people.
So in this case, murders were 1.6 per 100,000 in 98 and 1.43 per 100,000 in 08: a 10% reduction.
Just saying: It actually make your points even more dramatically.
!998: Pop. 29,565,000
2008: Pop. 32,400,000
So that would mean that the "total murders" are down significantly in 2008 vice 1998.
Similarly, "suicide by firearms" are wayyyy down in 2008.
That is why comparisons of this nature are always made on the basis of "event" per 10,000 or 100,000 people.
So in this case, murders were 1.6 per 100,000 in 98 and 1.43 per 100,000 in 08: a 10% reduction.
Just saying: It actually make your points even more dramatically.
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Oldgateboatdriver said:To reach your comments, you must correct your data for population growth.
!998: Pop. 29,565,000
2008: Pop. 32,400,000
So that would mean that the "total murders" are down significantly in 2008 vice 1998.
Similarly, "suicide by firearms" are wayyyy down in 2008.
That is why comparisons of this nature are always made on the basis of "event" per 10,000 or 100,000 people.
So in this case, murders were 1.6 per 100,000 in 98 and 1.43 per 100,000 in 08: a 10% reduction.
Just saying: It actually make your points even more dramatically.
Great comment. Much appreciated. One other thing that has two be taken into consideration is that this is an comparison of just two years. Some times there are spikes or drops that can serious skew the numbers. A good analysis would have to take a look over several years and different years apart. If I can get hold of data I may try to do a comparison.
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.... a report/update, containing some interesting stats, from the Parliamentary Information and Research Service, shared for your perusal.
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Not really, firearm owners have discovered the power of social media and thanks to our numbers can influence it.
MPs mark École Polytechnique massacre – but Tories aren't welcome
jane taber OTTAWA— Globe and Mail Blog Posted on Tuesday, December 6, 2011
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As women across Canada mark the 22nd anniversary of the massacre at Montreal’s École Polytechnique on Tuesday, Conservative women on Parliament Hill continue to work to scrap the long-gun registry that was created in response to those shootings.
That has people on the Hill so upset that government MPs have been purposely shut out from officially speaking at and attending an event on Parliament Hill to honour the 14 young women who were shot dead in 1989.
The two opposition leaders, Interim NDP Leader Nycole Turmel and Interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae, will be there to speak, as will Bloc Québécois MP Maria Mourani.
“Even as we mourn the 14 women killed at l’École Polytechnique, this government is taking the last remaining safeguard off the very weapon that murdered these women,” Ms. Turmel said. “The Conservatives are recklessly dismantling the only positive thing to come out of the tragic events of Dec. 6.”
The politicians will be joined by Wendy Cukier, president of the Coalition for Gun Control, and Suzanne Laplante-Edward, whose daughter, Anne-Marie, was killed by gunman Marc Lepine.
“There’s nobody from the Conservatives, that’s for sure,” said Wendy Sol of the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union, which is organizing a conference about violence against women Tuesday in Ottawa. About 400 participants from the conference are expected to march from the venue, an Ottawa hotel, to Parliament Hill for the commemoration.
They are to be joined by other pro-gun-registry demonstrators. Two family members of the victims will also be there.
“They [Conservative MPs] were deliberately not invited but they are certainly welcome to come and change their position,” Ms. Sol said.
The legislation to end the gun registry is expected to pass through the House to the Senate before the Christmas break.
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jane taber OTTAWA— Globe and Mail Blog Posted on Tuesday, December 6, 2011
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As women across Canada mark the 22nd anniversary of the massacre at Montreal’s École Polytechnique on Tuesday, Conservative women on Parliament Hill continue to work to scrap the long-gun registry that was created in response to those shootings.
That has people on the Hill so upset that government MPs have been purposely shut out from officially speaking at and attending an event on Parliament Hill to honour the 14 young women who were shot dead in 1989.
The two opposition leaders, Interim NDP Leader Nycole Turmel and Interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae, will be there to speak, as will Bloc Québécois MP Maria Mourani.
“Even as we mourn the 14 women killed at l’École Polytechnique, this government is taking the last remaining safeguard off the very weapon that murdered these women,” Ms. Turmel said. “The Conservatives are recklessly dismantling the only positive thing to come out of the tragic events of Dec. 6.”
The politicians will be joined by Wendy Cukier, president of the Coalition for Gun Control, and Suzanne Laplante-Edward, whose daughter, Anne-Marie, was killed by gunman Marc Lepine.
“There’s nobody from the Conservatives, that’s for sure,” said Wendy Sol of the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union, which is organizing a conference about violence against women Tuesday in Ottawa. About 400 participants from the conference are expected to march from the venue, an Ottawa hotel, to Parliament Hill for the commemoration.
They are to be joined by other pro-gun-registry demonstrators. Two family members of the victims will also be there.
“They [Conservative MPs] were deliberately not invited but they are certainly welcome to come and change their position,” Ms. Sol said.
The legislation to end the gun registry is expected to pass through the House to the Senate before the Christmas break.
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I have never seen any evidence that the gun registry stopped a violent crime or prevented a murder, anywhere, ever.
The gun registry was an expensive exercise in making some people feel good, and also deamonizing a group of law abiding citizens, period.
Conservatives should be relieved they are not invited to such events and proud of removing resources from feel good projects.
The gun registry was an expensive exercise in making some people feel good, and also deamonizing a group of law abiding citizens, period.
Conservatives should be relieved they are not invited to such events and proud of removing resources from feel good projects.
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milnews.ca said:
Apparently, yes they will (big shock there.....)
Quebec to sue feds to keep gun registry data
Quebec Public Security Minister Robert Dutil has confirmed the province will take legal action against the federal government to save data from the soon-to-be-abolished long-gun registry.
However, legal action cannot be launched until Bill C-19 to abolish the registry becomes law, likely in January.
Flanked by police officials and crime victim groups, Dutil told reporters assembled in Quebec City on Tuesday that legislation to abolish the registry and destroy its data goes against the wishes of most Quebecers.
The Conservatives have been working to get rid of the registry for years, saying it is ineffective and a waste of money.
Bill C-19 is making its way through Parliament and is expected to be passed without a hitch.
Quebec has been fighting to hang on to the data, but the federal government has refused to agree to the request.
Dutil said Quebec will take the federal government to court once the legislation has been passed and becomes law, but he refused to specify what kind of legal action that would be.
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"We want to sue!"
"On what grounds?"
"We don't know, we'll make something up."
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Let Quebec have the info Quebec only. Send it to them in English.
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http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120105/mom-kills-intruder-after-911-says-do-what-you-have-to-do-120105/
While not exactly a gun control subject, I thought this was a good example of home defence. I'm curious as to how these instances play out in Canada - I followed one case where the home owner was found not guilty, but was dragged through a manslaughter trial for his efforts to protect his home and person.
While not exactly a gun control subject, I thought this was a good example of home defence. I'm curious as to how these instances play out in Canada - I followed one case where the home owner was found not guilty, but was dragged through a manslaughter trial for his efforts to protect his home and person.
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Infanteer said:
In Canada the police want you to either lock yourself in a room and wait for the them or run away in the case of a home invasion. If you were to defend yourself with deadly force you would be charged.
Even if not convicted you are on the hook for hundreds of thousands of dollars of court costs.
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