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The Arctic Military Base Thread [merged]

Well there is a road connecting the two, a smaller airstrip near Arctic Bay and a fuel facility at the town and minesite. Plus a small boat harbour at the town. The dock at the mine appears heavily built to withstand ice, and without much protection from ice pressure, would be a concern for any vessels caught in there for the winter.
 
Just a point, Breakwater Resources doesn't "own" the land"; they have a mineral lease which is a different class of occupation. Once their clean up is complete including any monitoring the land will revert to the Crown. There is also probably provision for the Crown to take over the land with assumption of clean up etc.
 
St. Micheals Medical Team said:
if links work,

site of dock:

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Arctic+Bay,+Nunavut,+Nunavut,+Canada&sll=45.42144,-75.69189&sspn=0.309409,0.63858&ie=UTF8&cd=1&ll=73.068158,-84.548507&spn=0.008024,0.039911&t=h&z=15&om=1

site of runway:

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Arctic+Bay,+Nunavut,+Nunavut,+Canada&sll=45.42144,-75.69189&sspn=0.309409,0.63858&ie=UTF8&cd=1&ll=72.982396,-84.613395&spn=0.016127,0.079823&t=h&z=14&om=1

Artic Bay NU:

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Arctic+Bay,+Nunavut,+Nunavut,+Canada&sll=45.42144,-75.69189&sspn=0.309409,0.63858&ie=UTF8&cd=1&ll=73.034242,-85.156059&spn=0.016079,0.079823&t=h&z=14&om=1


Interesting someone paid to have high res for that area on google maps!!! 
 
Spencer100 said:
Interesting someone paid to have high res for that area on google maps!!! 

I had a chance to speak to an American with the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency recently, who said that a lot of the stuff (obviously not the most secret goodies) they look up at taxpayer expense is stuff their clients end up wanting Google to have.  Wonder if it's the same in Canada?
 
St. Micheals Medical Team said:
if links work,

site of dock:

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Arctic+Bay,+Nunavut,+Nunavut,+Canada&sll=45.42144,-75.69189&sspn=0.309409,0.63858&ie=UTF8&cd=1&ll=73.068158,-84.548507&spn=0.008024,0.039911&t=h&z=15&om=1

site of runway:

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Arctic+Bay,+Nunavut,+Nunavut,+Canada&sll=45.42144,-75.69189&sspn=0.309409,0.63858&ie=UTF8&cd=1&ll=72.982396,-84.613395&spn=0.016127,0.079823&t=h&z=14&om=1

Artic Bay NU:

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Arctic+Bay,+Nunavut,+Nunavut,+Canada&sll=45.42144,-75.69189&sspn=0.309409,0.63858&ie=UTF8&cd=1&ll=73.034242,-85.156059&spn=0.016079,0.079823&t=h&z=14&om=1

And all "mashed" into one map here.

 
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070810/canada_denmark_arctic_070810/20070810?hub=TopStories
In an effort to strengthen territorial claims in the Arctic, Canada will build an army training centre and construct a deep-sea military port in the heart of the Northwest Passage, Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced Friday while touring the region.

The 4,100-member Canadian Rangers force will also be increased by 900, Harper said in Resolute Bay, Nunavut.

The prime minister has been asserting Canadian sovereignty over the region while touring the far north this week.
More On Link

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/08/10/port-north.html
Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced Friday that a new deep-sea port and training site for the military will be created in Nunavut.

The military port will be built at a former mining site in Nanisivik, on northern Baffin Island, while the military training centre will be in Resolute Bay, Nunavut.

Harper made the announcement in Resolute Bay — barely 600 kilometres from the magnetic North Pole. With a mid-summer temperature of 2 C when Harper spoke, the hamlet will be home to a new army training centre for cold-weather fighting that houses up to 100 military personnel.

Nanisivik, the site of a former lead and zinc mine, has an existing deep-sea port with basic docking platforms and a fuel tank storage facility.
More On Link
 
Already RSM's across the country are submitting recommendation of people they think should be sent to the new Gulag, I mean base... ;D
 
Increasing the Ranger force on Baffin Island by 900 embers? - Yikes.  If wa talk to the local ladies, we might be able to grow the population and get that Ranger battalion in a couple of generations BUT, don't hold your breath...
 
From the Prime Minister's Web Site (http://www.pm.gc.ca/)

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PRIME MINISTER ANNOUNCES EXPANSION OF CANADIAN FORCES FACILITIES AND OPERATIONS IN THE ARCTIC


August 10, 2007
Resolute Bay, NU

Prime Minister Stephen Harper today unveiled three new initiatives to bolster Canadian sovereignty in the Arctic. Delivering on commitments made during a tour of the North last summer and during the last election campaign, Prime Minister Harper announced that a Canadian Forces Arctic Training Centre will be established in Resolute Bay, the Canadian Rangers will be expanded and re-equipped, and a deep water Arctic Docking and Refuelling Facility will be established at Nanisivik

“Canada’s New Government understands that the first principle of Arctic sovereignty is use it or lose it,” Prime Minister Harper said. “Today’s announcements tell the world that Canada has a real, growing, long-term presence in the Arctic.”

The Training Centre will be a year-round multi-purpose facility supporting Arctic training and operations, accommodating up to 100 personnel. Training equipment and vehicles stationed at the site will also provide an increased capability and faster response time in support of regional military or civilian emergency operations.

The expansion of the Rangers by 900 members will enable more and larger Ranger patrols. The Rangers are the “eyes and ears” of the Canadian Forces in remote regions across northern Canada. They also assist and train Southern-based soldiers, sailors and airmen deployed in the provinces and territories where they are based.

Establishing a deep water port in Nanisivik will extend the operational range of the Navy in the Arctic. Ships will be able to re-supply, refuel, embark equipment and supplies, and transfer personnel there. The location is strategically sited inside the eastern entrance to the Northwest Passage and it is equipped with docking infrastructure. The port’s main purpose will be military, but it will also have important civilian applications.

“Taken together, the creation of the Canadian Forces Arctic Training Centre, the expansion and modernization of the Canadian Rangers and the development of Port Nanisivik will significantly strengthen Canada’s sovereignty over the Arctic,” said the Prime Minister. “These initiatives will also benefit communities throughout the region by creating jobs and opportunities and enhancing the safety and security of the people who live here.”
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Colin P said:
Already RSM's across the country are submitting recommendation of people they think should be sent to the new Gulag, I mean base... ;D

You may be right on with the Gulag guess.  Have you used Google Earth to find these places?
 
Geo:

The Ranger expansion is 900 more Rangers across the country, not just on Baffin Island.  Some existing Ranger patrols will grow, and some new ones will be stood up.

 
George Wallace said:
You may be right on with the Gulag guess.  Have you used Google Earth to find these places?

Yea there is a link on the other threads. I can use Google maps here at work, but am blocked from Google Earth, unless my boss coughs up for the $400 a year per computer fee!
 
geo said:
Increasing the Ranger force on Baffin Island by 900 embers?

Wow, that's gonna be one BIG fire!!  ;D 

Sorry, couldn't resist.

When I try to Google Earth Resolute Bay, I get Arctic Bay.  Is this the place?
 
You know this has been something of a Conservative thing since Diefenbaker, in ’58, promised, inter alia, a highway to Tuktoyaktuk.  It’s not that the Liberals didn't do anything – quite the contrary, in fact, but Diefenbaker (very self-servingly) and Joe Clark (only slightly less so) both proposed bold projects (the Polar 8 icebreaker in Clark's case) designed to enhance Canada's claim to sovereignty over the Arctic.  That little came from anything – that Liberal incrementalism worked just as well – reflects the fact, and I believe it is a fact, that the overwhelming majority of Canadians, now as 50 years ago, care nothing for our sovereignty because they know nothing about our sovereignty.  The average, university educated Canadian appears to be an ignorant, careless, greedy sod – worried only about ‘free’ healthcare and a ‘pogey’ cheque.

Let us hope that the Russians and the Americans, the later being usually perceived to be more of a threat than the former, can frighten enough Canadians into supporting some sensible sovereignty protection.

For a start, Jack Layton is right!  We need icebreakers, real icebreakers but we need them in addition to some ice hardened multi-role patrol vessels.  We should assign specialist ships like icebreakers to specialists like the Coat Guard (if they are to be unarmed) or, perhaps, to  a reinvigorated RCMP Marine Service if they are to be armed.  (This supposes that we prefer, generally, to have an unarmed civil service and confine weapons to the military and law enforcement services (which must, perforce, include the Border Service).)

We also need reinvigorated surveillance – from space, from the air and by terrestrial systems – over all the territory we claim, including all inland waters, and our coastal waters out to and beyond 200 miles and throughout the airspace over both.  Just as engineers understand that “you cannot manage what you cannot measure” bureaucrats and soldiers must understand that “you cannot control what you cannot see.”

We need to see anyone/anything approaching or entering out territory (including from under the water) and then we need to be able to identify it and/or intercept it and then we need to be able to arrest intruders or, in some other form, “see them off.”  That implies that we have, ready, ships, aircraft and highly mobile ground forces – light (probably air assault or parachute) units – which can get to anywhere in Canada, all over that vast, empty, hostile expanse of Arctic land, quickly.

That will not come cheaply but anything less tells the world, especially Denmark, Norway, Russia and the USA, that we will not because we cannot control the territory we claim as our own.  We will, in short, surrender it to all comers.

We are not going to get there and build and maintain larger, globally deployable, combat capable and combat ready joint forces on a budget of $20 Billion per year in 2012.  But, it has been reported that most politicians think $20 Billion is all Canadians will bear for their national defence.  I wonder if something will have to give?  What will it be: our sovereignty over our own territory or our ability to exercise our Responsibility to Protect (our own vital interests and the lives of others) around the world?
 
Time to comment on Edward's question.

While some/most Canadians would nobly agree that we have a responsibility to protect, they have been conditioned to believe that can be accomplished by hugging people. Furthermore there is a visceral attachment to the north by southerners who have no intention of setting foot in the High Arctic, but are determined that it is ours, ours, ours!

I suspect that spending money on icebreakers and northern training centres and rangers is acceptable to the chattering classes, as long as it does not detract from other things. If push comes to shove, little Canada - isolationist, selfish and delusional - will win out if it means the goodies keep flowing.

Mind you, the whole durn thing will come tumbling down over who gets to build what and who gets the industrial benefits, if we have the technical capability to build icebreakers in the first place.
 
Nanasivik probably wont come up on a Google Earth search, the mine closed down there about 5 years ago.  Arctic Bay is the community across the inlet, about 20 minutes away in a truck when the ice is in, an hour when its not.  I used to live in Nanasivik, and if its cold weather training they want, well, they are going to get it.  Also will make a great port, the ships that used to dock up there were huge.
 
Sc011y- Did they close-in the mine when they shut down. The mine is huge and may be useful.
 
GUNS,

[quoteThe mine is huge and may be useful.][/quote]

Would you mind to elaborate on this? Well unless it's of a classified/OPSEC nature. I think I can see why...Shelter?
 
Spencer100 said:
Interesting someone paid to have high res for that area on google maps!!! 

Nope...free from Google maps...got to Google.ca, tap on "maps".

You too can post cool map images.

(or maybe its just one of my super-secret-squirrel-Sr NCO-ninja-special forces-C8 sniper-medic skills the rest dream to have on something other than just a video game. :pushup:)
 
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