Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane

[Kirkhill]

Bombardier has already done it with the RAF's ASTOR/Sentinel

http://www.spyflight.co.uk/sentinel.htm

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Isreal Aerospace Industries actually has developed an armed version of the Bombardier Global 5000 business jet...however the torpedoes are mounted under-wing, which if I'm not mistaken somebody noted in another MPA thread were problematic (can't recall what the specific concern was...will try and find the reference). 

http://www.iai.co.il/2013/32981-46349-en/MediaRoom_News.aspx

Back on to the topic of our next fighter...

Dassault's website states "The RAFALE’s stores management system is Mil-Std-1760 compliant, which provides for easy integration of customer-selected weapons.".  What does that mean in relation to our existing stock of weapons for the CF-18's?

External torpedos- it has to do with the minimum temperature limits of the torpedo. Cold torpedos don't do very well.

All the mil-1760 std means is that the connectors, connect to the weapons.

It doesn't mean the software to drop or fire them actually exists in the mission computer. Or that the separation and drop trials have been conducted. You know- minor issues.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Bombardier has already done it with the RAF's ASTOR/Sentinel

http://www.spyflight.co.uk/sentinel.htm

Done what?  The R1 is like a 'baby JSTAR', or a P-3 LSRS...not a MPA.

How about a SC-130J?  Common parts, flight deck training, training for maintainers...360 degree RADAR, internal fish...wing hardpoints...good legs.  MAD boom.  Lots of room for search stores.

I like it.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Now, please pardon my ignorance concerning LRMPA's, my knowledge being limited to the fact that I thank the gods for having them in support when I am carrying out ASW ops, but:

1) Seems to me that  Bombardier's problem right now is that the C series is not yet certified for commercial use. If so, why would the Government want to use the C series as a LRMPA?

2) I seem to recall that the French government (Airbus) is working with Israel on a system called FITS that can be set into all sorts of different airframes for maritime patrol. Can something like that be done fairly easily here with Bombardier products other than the C Series, to provide for limited number (say half a dozen to a dozen) of aircraft that could usefully relieve the Aurora's from the more tedious coastal SurfPats, PolPats and FishPats? 

 

[Kirkhill]

Done what?

Packed a civilian aircraft with a load of electronics and sensors that get employed for military purposes. 

We are not focusing on the task of the aircraft here.  We're talking about saving Bombardier jobs and in the process....

https://youtu.be/uTmfwklFM-M

 

[Kirkhill]

Now, please pardon my ignorance concerning LRMPA's, my knowledge being limited to the fact that I thank the gods for having them in support when I am carrying out ASW ops, but:

1) Seems to me that  Bombardier's problem right now is that the C series is not yet certified for commercial use. If so, why would the Government want to use the C series as a LRMPA?

2) I seem to recall that the French government (Airbus) is working with Israel on a system called FITS that can be set into all sorts of different airframes for maritime patrol. Can something like that be done fairly easily here with Bombardier products other than the C Series, to provide for limited number (say half a dozen to a dozen) of aircraft that could usefully relieve the Aurora's from the more tedious coastal SurfPats, PolPats and FishPats?

The Sentinel is based on the earlier Global Express which derived from the Challenger.  According to Wiki they have built 600 of the Global Express vice 6 of the C-series.

Buy some GEs and figure out what to do with them.  As far as Bombardier is concerned money is money.  They can develop the C on their own nickel.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Now, please pardon my ignorance concerning LRMPA's, my knowledge being limited to the fact that I thank the gods for having them in support when I am carrying out ASW ops...

Whoaaaaaa...aren't YOU supporting US when WE are doing ASW?   

provide for limited number (say half a dozen to a dozen) of aircraft that could usefully relieve the Aurora's from the more tedious coastal SurfPats, PolPats and FishPats?

Transport Canada and PAL do some of this work already.

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/marinesafety/oep-ers-nasp-2195.htm

http://www.provincialaerospace.com/AboutProvincialAerospace/Clients/


Thread merge/split time?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Done what?

Packed a civilian aircraft with a load of electronics and sensors that get employed for military purposes. 

We are not focusing on the task of the aircraft here.  We're talking about saving Bombardier jobs and in the process....

https://youtu.be/uTmfwklFM-M

Copy, I am on the same page now. 

 

[MarkOttawa]

Field Aviation, Toronto, already does a decent business converting Bombardier Dash-8/Q Series turboprops into civilian maritime patrol/surveillance aircraft for foreign customers:
http://milnet.ca/forums/threads/80150/post-1013266.html#msg1013266

Mark
Ottawa

 

[Kirkhill]

Field Aviation, Toronto, already does a decent business converting Bombardier Dash-8/Q Series turboprops into civilian maritime patrol/surveillance aircraft for foreign customers:
http://milnet.ca/forums/threads/80150/post-1013266.html#msg1013266

Mark
Ottawa

There you go then!  A twofer.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Field Aviation, Toronto, already does a decent business converting Bombardier Dash-8/Q Series turboprops into civilian maritime patrol/surveillance aircraft for foreign customers:
http://milnet.ca/forums/threads/80150/post-1013266.html#msg1013266

Mark
Ottawa

FTFY 

 

[DonaldMcL]

Done what?  The R1 is like a 'baby JSTAR', or a P-3 LSRS...not a MPA.

How about a SC-130J?  Common parts, flight deck training, training for maintainers...360 degree RADAR, internal fish...wing hardpoints...good legs.  MAD boom.  Lots of room for search stores.

I like it.

And zero speed...

 

[Loachman]

We can get the RCAF an air-version of the LSVW.

Tac Hel has had that since the 1990s.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

And zero speed...

Compared to...the P-8?  Sure.

And?

 

[dapaterson]

Tac Hel has had that since the 1990s.

If they don't spontaneously combust then they're not up to the LSVW standard.

 

[DonaldMcL]

Compared to...the P-8?  Sure.

And?

Compared to even the P3.

 

[Brasidas]

If they don't spontaneously combust then they're not up to the LSVW standard.

I thought that was the LUVW-milcots?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Compared to even the P3.

I thought you were a '140 guy previously.  ???

 

[DonaldMcL]

I thought you were a '140 guy previously.  ???

I currently am a '140 guy.

 

[MarkOttawa]

SAAB using Bombardier airframe for AEW plane:

SINGAPORE: Saab introduces GlobalEye AEW aircraft

Saab has officially launched a new airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft called GlobalEye, combining its new Erieye ER active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar with Bombardier's Global 6000 business jet.

It means the wider market will now be offered the same configuration as ordered by the United Arab Emirates under a $1.27 billion two-aircraft deal signed during Dubai air show in November.

“We have a completely new platform but also a completely new radar. The radar has an extremely high capacity compared to the old one, so the performance is enhanced,” says Erik Winberg, director of business development at Saab...

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/singapore-saab-introduces-globaleye-aew-aircraft-421899/

Mark
Ottawa