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Run Up to Election 2019

Navy_Pete said:
Wait, how do you figure exactly a devout Muslim who campaigns against radical Islam is going to be sold as Islamaphobic? That makes no sense, and really only reinforces the narrative that the Cons are stuffy white men.

Why would the PR types no think that someone capable of making rational, coherent and intelligent arguements wouldn't make a good poli.... oh, nevermind.  :whistle:

It's pretty easy really, the CPC would be accused of putting a "token" Muslim on display to distract from their "secret agenda", or the LPC/NDP/Greens would trot out a candidate that proclaims he's not really Muslim and it would devolve into a religious debate that Canadian's tune out.

I think it was a bad move on the CPC part, but I can see why they would do it.
 
Navy_Pete said:
Wait, how do you figure exactly a devout Muslim who campaigns against radical Islam is going to be sold as Islamaphobic?  That makes no sense, and really only reinforces the narrative that the Cons are stuffy white men.

Why would the PR types no think that someone capable of making rational, coherent and intelligent arguements wouldn't make a good poli.... oh, nevermind.  :whistle:

Here's a quick search on Wikipedia:

In 2010, he wrote: "The story of modern Israel, as many have noted, is a miracle unlike any [...] It is a robust and inclusive democracy, and is at the leading edge of science and technology [...] What hypocrites demand of Israelis and the scrutiny Israel is subjected to by them, they would not dare make of any other nation."[12]

Mansur wrote that a Palestinian state was de facto created by Britain in Jordan by partitioning its Palestine Mandate in 1922, and the Palestinians would have had a state of their own, had they accepted Israel and reconciled themselves to the rights of the Jews in Jerusalem and the Holy Land.[13]

and:

Mansur writes that, from Algeria to Indonesia, from Central Asian republics to Sudan, the entire Muslim world: "has turned its back on modernity".[14] He says the Muslim world must stop blaming the West for its own ailments.[15]

Mansur's criticisms of other parts of the world have extended so far that he has testified on 1 October 2012 to the House of Commons Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration that Canada should stop immigration from Muslim countries. Mansur stated:

The flow of immigration into Canada from around the world, and in particular the flow from Muslim countries, means a pouring in of numbers into a liberal society of people from cultures at best non-liberal. But we know through our studies and observations that the illiberal mix of cultures poses one of the greatest dilemmas and an unprecedented challenge to liberal societies, such as ours, when there is no demand placed on immigrants any longer to assimilate into the founding liberal values of the country to which they have immigrated to and, instead, by a misguided and thoroughly wrong-headed policy of multiculturalism encourage the opposite.[16]

How long do you think it would have taken Liberals to jump all over that and ask Scheer whether he supports his candidate's position?

Sometimes there are issues that it's not worth falling on your sword for. There's no sense in giving the Liberals a dog whistle to blow over this.

:2c:
 
So the left wins again.  Without even saying a word they have prevented a good man from a position from which he could do a lot of good.  What a collection of wimps.  It has become impossible for any person to have any opinion other than that accepted by the mainstream.  Mansur is no radical and he is definitely not Islamophobic.  I have followed his column for years and much of the time he has proven to be very prophetic. 
But answer this, if the PCs root out every candidate but those who have any opinion that does not conform to what the left considers acceptable what is the point of voting PC.  You are simply selecting another of the same ilk that we have in office now.  We desperately need people in office who aren't afraid to push against the status quo.
 
It's a strange, strange world we live in, Master Jack ...

(David Marks performed by Four Jacks and a Jill)

:cheers:
 
YZT580 said:
So the left wins again.  Without even saying a word they have prevented a good man from a position from which he could do a lot of good.  What a collection of wimps.  It has become impossible for any person to have any opinion other than that accepted by the mainstream.  Mansur is no radical and he is definitely not Islamophobic.  I have followed his column for years and much of the time he has proven to be very prophetic. 
But answer this, if the PCs root out every candidate but those who have any opinion that does not conform to what the left considers acceptable what is the point of voting PC.  You are simply selecting another of the same ilk that we have in office now.  We desperately need people in office who aren't afraid to push against the status quo.

This is exactly what you get in the age of outrage culture. People love to be upset about things, and the media has latched onto that to make money. The old adage "if it bleeds it leads" was just the pre-internet outrage mob version of this.

The CPC can't afford to have controversial candidates because the media, and social media will have a field day whipping up outrage over anything they can. (social media shares are good for business) In Canada they don't have a mainstream media ally like the Republicans do down south so they will lose the cable news fight, and with social media companies cracking down on conservative leaning posters they have the potential to lose the social media fight as well. 

The CPC needs to play a careful balancing act between appealing to those of us that are fiscal conservatives, not lose the more socially conservative leaning people, and on top of that not crossing the media talking heads... I don't envy them the task. 

 
I wonder if 'success' is worth the price?  When all is said and done, will we still have something worth keeping?
 
YZT580 said:
I wonder if 'success' is worth the price?  When all is said and done, will we still have something worth keeping?

If you mean an absence of trudeau and his grits, then yes.
 
"Losing his marbles" strikes me as an apt description of what we are seeing more frequently in his behaviour - lashing out at anybody who disagrees with him.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/colby-cosh-trudeau-and-the-gang-of-six-a-pm-undone-by-his-own-handiwork

Colby Cosh: Trudeau and the Gang of Six: A PM undone by his own handiwork

Colby Cosh June 13, 2019 10:05 AM EDT

There’s almost no other way to put it: the prime minister seems to be losing his marbles. On Monday, the premiers of five provinces and the Northwest Territories sent him a polite, conventional open letter raising familiar concerns with the Liberal government’s resource bills C-69 (which creates a new regime for federal review of big infrastructure projects) and C-48 (the ban on oil tanker traffic along most of B.C.’s coast).

The premiers, who included the three Prairie conservatives, Ontario’s Doug Ford, and New Brunswick’s Blaine Higgs, didn’t say anything you haven’t heard before. They claimed that C-69 is a “reform” that makes things worse for megaproject investors, who are already shying away from Canada, and that as passed by the House of Commons it tramples provincial responsibility for resource development. The tanker ban, they added, is just the putrid icing on the toxic C-69 cake.

There is some firm language in the premiers’ letter. They warn that “The federal government must recognize the exclusive role provinces and territories have over the management of our non-renewable natural resource development or risk creating a Constitutional crisis.” C-48 in particular, they say, “will have detrimental effects on national unity.”

This does not seem like an especially outrageous warning to deliver. Canada is, the last time anyone checked, a federation. Because Ford’s name is on the letter, the signatories represent more than half the country’s population, and in particular the interest of that half in resource revenue and jobs. The tanker ban, almost by definition, sacrifices the general welfare of a resource-reliant national economy and federal treasury for the perceived protection of one thinly populated region. That may be a worthwhile tradeoff on utilitarian grounds, but from a national unity standpoint it is inescapably what it is: a choice between what two different groups of Canadians want.

But for some reason, as my colleagues Don Braid and Matt Gurney have described, the PM went kinda bananas, calling the signers of the letter “absolutely irresponsible” and accusing them of “threatening national unity” by pointing out the disunifying nature of the Liberal bills. Trudeau added that “Anyone who wants to be prime minister, like Andrew Scheer, needs to condemn those attacks on national unity.”

Trudeau seems to have decided that “attacks on national unity,” which consisted entirely of speaking in its defence, were a promising wedge issue. The “Will X at long last rise to his feet and denounce Y?” rhetorical trope is usually reserved for situations in which Y is some hate group or nefarious cult, and maybe that is how Trudeau regards the gang of six letter-signers.

Yet their offensive epistle actually endorses the Senate’s amended version of C-69 and begs for it to be adopted. You’ll recall that after hearing its own evidence on the impact of the bill, the Senate split up into its Conservative and “Independent” camps, returned with separate lists of legislative improvements, and found that they matched almost perfectly. They were, with relative ease, able to reach agreement on a sober second version of the bill to send back to the House.

Is the Senate also to be considered an attacker of national unity? Even in its primordial 1867 state, that chamber is intended to be a place where provincial and regional interests receive special care. (Again: Canada - it’s a federation!) Then, at a later point in Canadian history, the institution found its most radical reviser, a certain Rt. Hon. J.P.J. Trudeau. This obscure Canadian historical figure tried to increase the diminishing prestige of the Senate by making new appointments independent of the PMO and by disconnecting the Liberal Senate caucus from its brethren in the House.

The hard work done by the Senate on C-69 and its relatively aggressive advocacy for revision of C-69 is entirely a product of these changes. The detached Independent senators took Trudeau at his word, behaved independently and, lo and behold, found that they agreed with the Conservatives on a buncha stuff. Now Conservative premiers are praising the Senate’s craftsmanship. And Trudeau has no more intelligent or strategic reaction than a sloppy, goofy rant about unity?

Frankly, from an admittedly less-than-ideal Alberta perspective, passing the revised C-69 and C-48 together looks like it might be a good recipe for Trudeau. The letter, while grumbling about the tanker ban, practically invites this approach. When it comes time to campaign in a few months, the PM could take credit for the work of his Senate, pat himself on the back for responding to the concerns of the premiers, and boast to eco-sensitive voters that he was able to go ahead with core protection for the allegedly vulnerable B.C. coast.

Instead he is indulging in warlike off-the-cuff talk that can only attract continued sarcastic remarks about his sunny ways. Hey, I was never a big fan of the idea of a “sunny” Liberal prime minister either, but I cannot say I enjoy the spectacle of a paranoid and unhinged one.
 
https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/jack-mintz-only-one-country-is-contemplating-destroying-its-own-resource-sector-canada#comments-area

Jack Mintz: Only one country is contemplating destroying its own resource sector: Canada

Development is proceeding apace everywhere but here

The long saga of the Liberal government’s Bill C-48, the West Coast oil tanker ban, and Bill C-69, the new project-approval regime, may be coming to an end this month. It will not go well.

The Senate will likely pass Bill C-48 against the recommendations of its own committee that studied the bill. And on Wednesday, the Trudeau government said it is only willing to accept a minority of the more than 180 amendments proposed by the Senate to C-69, euphemistically called the “No Pipelines” Bill by Alberta’s Premier Jason Kenney. That is, it will accept only those changes proposed by senators aligned with the Liberal party, while rejecting any suggested amendments backed by the industry and provinces who rely on oil and gas.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government has said it wants to “develop our resources responsibly.” Both these bills will almost certainly make resource development more difficult, if not impossible. Add to these Trudeau’s carbon taxes aimed at curbing fossil fuels and regulations such as the new clean fuel standard, and it raises a serious question: What is Canada’s actual resource plan for the future?

According to polls, most Canadians want mining and fossil fuel development to take place with proper environmental safeguards. But numerous politicians have expressed their desire to stop resource development altogether. Their plan is for no more oilsands projects. No more pipelines. No more natural gas fracking. And no more coal. Some politicians are even going so far as considering putting an end to mining. In other words, no more responsible resource development. No resource development at all.

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While Canada debates whether to stop using our resources, most countries are eagerly making more use of theirs. Even as the Obama administration in the U.S. tried getting coal-fired electricity replaced by natural gas and renewables, it was not afraid to let U.S. oil production double and even eliminated the ban on U.S. oil exports to enable production growth.

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If Canada decides to go it alone in stopping oil and gas developments, resource provinces will get badly hurt - and so will Canada as a whole. We need a resource policy that allows for responsible development, just like other countries have. That’s not the direction we appear headed in now.
 
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/feds-energy-policies-risk-fuelling-western-separatism-schulich-1.1272956

Feds' energy policies risk fuelling western separatism: Schulich

Shane McNeil, BNN Bloomberg

One of Canada’s most successful entrepreneurs says Canada is “biting the hand that feeds it” with its inability to get pipelines approved for its energy industry.

“If this government doesn’t start to realize where its bread is buttered … even animals learn where their sustenance comes from and they don’t bite the hand that feeds them. This government has been biting the hand that feeds it in an inexorable fashion,” billionaire investor Seymour Schulich told BNN Bloomberg on Thursday.

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Schulich also criticized the federal approval process for the Trans Mountain expansion project and other major infrastructure initiatives, cited an Angus Reid Institute poll from February that found 50 per cent of Albertans polled considered separatism in the province “a real possibility.”

The Montreal-born Schulich said that sentiment was historically high for a Canadian province and should be a real concern for the Trudeau government.

“I’m sincerely worried if they don’t approve [the Trans Mountain expansion] and start to be more conscious of the energy industry’s place in our country, we’re going to fuel separation in Alberta and Saskatchewan,” he said.

“When you have 50 per cent of the people being polled saying they would consider such a thing … I lived in Quebec in the troubling times and I don’t remember the polls ever getting that high. They might have gotten very close at the end, but during the process, I don’t ever remember them being that high.”

Schulich also questioned the blame being placed on the energy industry amid the Trudeau government’s aims to reduce the nation’s carbon footprint.

“We are 1.5 per cent of the emissions in the world, and the oil sands, which has become the whipping boy for everything, is about one-tenth of that,” he said.

“What are we doing? We’re basically taking an industry that employs 558,000 – it did employ it – and we’ve put up a giant sign [that says] ‘we’re not open for business.’”
 
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stefanovich-un-national-inquiry-genocide-response-1.5174855

UN Human Rights Office calls for examination of MMIWG inquiry's genocide claim

Request comes as the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights visits Ottawa

Olivia Stefanovich · CBC News · Posted: Jun 16, 2019 7:26 PM ET

The United Nations Human Rights Office is urging the federal government to probe the national inquiry's conclusion that violence against Indigenous women and girls amounts to genocide, CBC News has learned.

"The national inquiry found reasons to believe that Canada's past and present policies, omissions and actions amount to genocide, under international law," UN spokesperson Ravina Shamdasani wrote in an email statement on Sunday.

"Given these findings by the inquiry, we call on the government to take steps for competent national authorities to assess these serious claims."

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The focus of Bachelet's visit is supposed to be about promoting human rights and gender equality around the world, but Canada's own record on those issues is expected to be scrutinized.

"The very first thing I'm sure the commissioner's going to want to see is what is the plan on the part of Prime Minister Trudeau and his government to address the conditions of genocide that he's admitted," said Mary Ellen Turpel-Lafond, a law professor at the University of British Columbia.

"The fact that the prime minister said 'genocide' triggers an international process."

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If the federal government were to admit genocide against Indigenous Peoples is ongoing, it would open the doors to international prosecution since Canada is part of the 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, according to Turpel-Lafond.

"Part of me is concerned that they're using words in a loose way that have massive implications," Turpel-Laford said. "They should be much more disciplined and focused about it."

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The UN is not the first international body to urge Canada to dig deeper into the claim of genocide against Indigenous peoples.

The Organization of American States is also awaiting a response from the federal government to launch an investigation.
Setback to UN Security Council seat bid?

"This will have a very detrimental impact, I would suggest, on Canada's hopes for joining the security council at the United Nations," said Peter MacKay, former Conservative justice, defence and foreign affairs minister who attempted to secure a UN Security Council seat for Canada.

"Being a country that has recently acknowledged a genocide separates us in a negative way from some of the other countries we're competing with."

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"There's an element of hypocrisy when we start to lecture and hector in a sanctimonious way, cast aspersions on the histories of other countries," MacKay said.

"I think we are now in a different place, and under a different lens when it comes how countries view our country."

Payam Akhavan, an international law professor at McGill University and former UN prosecutor at the Hague, agrees it may become more challenging for Canada to preach human rights to other countries given the inquiry's findings.

"What I fear now is that countries like Myanmar, which are in fact committing genocide in the strict legal sense, will use this genocide finding to discredit and undermine Canada's standing in a way which is neither reasonable or fair," Akhavan said.

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https://www.hilltimes.com/2019/06/17/rookie-gta-liberal-mp-tan-quits-as-liberal-candidate-for-the-fall-election/204629

Rookie GTA Liberal MP Tan quits unexpectedly as Liberal candidate for fall election

By Abbas Rana Jun. 17, 2019

In his Facebook post, Liberal MP Geng Tan thanked Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, his wife, staff and constituents for their support during his parliamentary career.

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His abrupt decision not to seek re-election is unexpected, given that he was the party’s nominated candidate in the upcoming election. Considering the margin of victory in the last election, the riding of Don Valley North is a safe Liberal riding.

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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canadians-view-ethics-in-government-as-paramount-issue-in-fall/

Canadians view ethics in government as paramount issue in fall election, poll shows

Robert Fife Ottawa Bureau Chief
Steven Chase

Jun 17, 2019

Ethics in government is shaping up as the biggest issue for voters in the approaching federal vote, outdistancing the economy, the environment and trade with the United States, according to a new poll conducted for The Globe and Mail.

A solid majority of 73 per cent of Canadians polled by Nanos Research say that ethics in government will influence their vote in the fall election, slated to take place on Oct. 21.

This comes after extensive coverage of the SNC-Lavalin controversy, in which the Liberal government of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau put pressure on then-attorney-general Jody Wilson-Raybould to stop the criminal prosecution of the Montreal-based engineering company.

There were also months of attention on charges against Vice-Admiral Mark Norman for allegedly leaking information on a naval supply vessel program. During the trial, which was ultimately aborted, the Liberals faced accusations in the House of Commons that the Prime Minister “interfered in the judicial process” by withholding documents from the defence and by denying Vice-Adm. Norman access to his own documents.

“What this speaks to is Canadians want to hear from politicians about ethics, transparency and how our government should run as a top issue,“ pollster Nik Nanos said in an interview.

Mr. Nanos said Canadians’ faith in Mr. Trudeau’s government has been shaken.

“Many times people want politicians and elections to focus on problems that need to be solved. What happened in the SNC-Lavalin controversy, and issues related to Vice-Admiral Mark Norman, have added up to put a focus on ethics in government,” Mr. Nanos said.

“The Prime Minister put himself right in the middle of the controversy in terms of what he said and his intentions on SNC-Lavalin.”

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In the "Who knew hiring your girlfriend to work in your office wouldn't work out well when your wife found out" department, a Toronto area Liberal MP will not be running again this fall.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/liberal-mp-hired-girlfriend-to-work-in-riding-office-then-fired-her-and-refused-to-support-their-baby-lawyers-allege/wcm/bebd74bd-1d71-4465-a744-a04460f17b88


A Liberal MP hired his girlfriend as a constituency assistant, then fired her at his wife’s behest and refused to provide child support to their daughter, according to allegations contained in two lawyers’ letters obtained by the National Post.

Ying (Stella) Yu — who says she gave up a lucrative career in business to work for Don Valley North MP Geng Tan — fell into deep depression after her “ignominious” dismissal, with suicide attempts, anxiety attacks and crying fits, the two letters claim.

But the MP dismissed Ying (Stella) Yu’s mental-health problems, one of the letters alleges, urging her not to get professional help.

Tan, 55, has strongly denied the allegations, saying Yu’s job in his constituency office was supposed to be temporary, and that he had only provided her a donation of sperm without agreeing to support the resulting child. There was no “misuse” of their acquaintance.

“I will strongly fight for my dignity and honour which is improperly being maligned, alleging wrong facts and concealing the real ones,” the MP said in a statement to the Post. “I have strong support and love of my family.”
 
dapaterson said:
, and that he had only provided her a donation of sperm without agreeing to support the resulting child.

That's classy.....

 
I don't recall any previous government being the complete train wreck this one has been, and in such a short time too.
 
Maybe. But they are still going to carry Ontario, the east and a few metro areas in the west, so they stand a very good chance of being re-elected.
 
Cloud Cover said:
Maybe. But they are still going to carry Ontario, the east and a few metro areas in the west, so they stand a very good chance of being re-elected.

They might get some of Toronto. I doubt they'll carry Ontario in todays climate. Ford and the PC are popular here, contrary to what unions and msm want you to believe.
 
This seems absolutely nuts... 338 now has the CPC and Liberals tied again...

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/this-weeks-338canada-projection-all-bets-are-off/?fbclid=IwAR1sGiQAzhcYJBgke32pwVOQAKqxaUMkslSn4CWbwR8FtI1QJ4khxbLTnMg

 
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