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  Hi,

      I just have a few questions about what the role is of someone enlisted in the Army Reserves, Infantry. What is their job more or less on a daily basis? How long is the training(right now im under the impression you do basic training and then infantry training afterwards)? I've heard you are also under no contract so you can leave anytime if necessary, is this true? Also, about secondary education tuition, I've heard they will provide you with up to $8000, but is that only if you are training to become an officer? Also, if the job requires you to go overseas, would you have to? Because that's a problem for me since I am currently in high school and plan on attending post-secondary educational courses. Any help on these issues would be greatly appreciated, thank you.(Please try to avoid acronyms(ex. BIQ) because I am not very familiar with all of them, thanks)
 
Unless you are an officer/senior NCO, or on a longer-term contract, there is no "daily" tasks per se, on the weekly parade nights, you attend lectures/training at your armoury, and on certain weekends, you get to practice those skills learnt out in the field, for a variety of tasks - ie patrolling, raids, attacks, urban fighting, range shooting etc...

Basic training for reservists is roughly 2 months, while Infantry specific training is another month.

There is no contract for Class "A" reservists (normal situation), and you can request release at any time.

The tuition reimbursement program is currently not running, but apparently the CF is reviewing its possible return - any reservist NCM (not sure about officers) could apply for it, but there were also other factors - any scholarships you had, your program of choice (for college, university apparently didn't matter) and its relevancy to your job...

Reservists can not be forced to go overseas, unless the government changes legislation.  However, you can volunteer for an overseas tour if one is available.  I have found that they are very willing to accomodate your educational needs/family situations.  It is a part-time job, after all.

Hope this helps, and anyone feel free to correct me if im mistaken anywhere.
 
Thanks, that information is very helpfull. I heard that the infantry reserves were also called in for public(more local) situations, like riots or the quebec ice storm, is that another typical thing you will encounter on the job?
 
For civil emergencys the reserves can be called up(it is still you choice if you want to help or not) to help, for example the ice storms, an the BC forest fires, as for riots, I don't know.


Also, it isn't just the Infantry reserve units called up, it is all reserve units, Service Battalions, Field Ambs, Engineers, etc.
 
Kirkpatrick said:
The tuition reimbursement program is currently not running, but apparently the CF is reviewing its possible return - any reservist NCM (not sure about officers) could apply for it, but there were also other factors - any scholarships you had, your program of choice (for college, university apparently didn't matter) and its relevancy to your job...


yes, its running for an other year (confirmed by the BOR at my unit). Its only for university tho.
 
Woah. I was told just yesterday that the reimbursment program for university is still in effect (up to $2000/year). I'm confused?
 
I was informed, 2 weeks ago, at my swearing in, that the army would pay half of my tuition up to $2000.
 
Combat Cook,

I had an argument (discussion?) with a corporal who should know better (leadership trained and time in) about the use of the CF as aid to the civil power in the event of a riot/public order problem that the police couldn't handle.

The discussion came up while we watched some of Ontario's finest doing their crowd control practice at the FIBUA site here in Meaford last week, with a bunch of civvy students from a local college.

My view was that, yes, if in fact the police totally lost control and weren't able to quell a serious public order problem, the army could be called into action for it.  His view was that no, it would never happen, our tactics are too different, we just kill people, etc.  But I reiterated that crowd control is one of the tasks we train for (or, someone in the CF does, not me in particular), and that aid to the civil power is always a possibility.  You can't just throw up your hands if the police can't control a riot, and let the rioters go mad.

I couldn't think of an example, aside from the FLQ crisis, which is aid to the civil power in a totally different context anyway.  But I thought this particular Cpl was a bit close-minded about the whole topic.

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be his call anyway!
 
If the CF was called out for 'Aid to Civil Power', it would be a last resort, and for good reason. Soldiers are not supposed to be policemen, they are not supposed to be riot control specialists. While I am sure we would be capable of acting in a respectable manner, you can't lose sight of the fact that a soldiers main job is to destroy enemy soldiers/combatants, not control or contain them. That mentality would have to be tempered, obviously, to avoid unnecessary casualties to the civie populace.

You Corporal there had a point, although I would agrue his aserion that we 'just kill people'.

The short answer is that crowd control is not our job, but we could do an adequate job, in a pinch.
 
Gents-this is a good topic, and one that has been a hot item off and on since the Oka Crisis in 1990 during which soldiers of 5ieme GMBC confronted civilians on the Pont Mercier (?) in a CCO (Crowd Confrontation Operation) but without correct gear or training. After that,, the CLS of the day told my class at Army Staff College, Canadian soldiers would never again face a crowd unprepared.

The FLQ crisis was not the only time troops were prepared to use CCO techniques: I was a rifleman in 1976 in the HQ D&S Platoon of Task Force Two during OPGAMESCAN in Montreal, the Olympic Security operation. We did some CCO in our training period, and the Regular battalions did quite extensive CCO. Typical CCO gear (sticks, shields, visors, water cannon truck...) was used in this training at Petawawa.

In 1999/2000, I was A/G3 of LFCA, and Op ABACUS (remember Y2K-The Biggest Thing That Never Happened?) was our main effort. During the planning phase, the issue of CCO came to the fore, and again provoked debate within the Army. One camp held that since we were soldiers, we would use only lethal force. Bayonets, bullets, or nothing. The other camp (where I sit now...) held that giving a soldier a choice between lethal force or nothing was giving him no choice at all. I came to believe that we needed intermediate levels of force to deal with Canadian citizens without killing or maiming them. We also needed protection from incendiary fluids, acids, corrosives, etc that our CADPAT and kevlar just do not provide. The Ontario Provincial Police planners and LOs who worked with us were pretty clear: they would only ever ask for the Army if they (the police) had totally lost control of the situation. But, if they did ask for us, and the Provincial SolGen relayed the request to the CDS, they expected us to restore order.(the law of Canada also requires us to restore order if called upon to do so by a government of a province...) They made it clear to us that we would not be able to pick and choose between what situations we would deal with: we would have it all (or most of it) because the police would no longer be effective. Therefore we would definitely be facing a huge range of potential situations, including those in which killing Canadian citizens was not the best course of action.

Several years later, during OP GRIZZLY (the G8 Conference Security Op) I was CO of the JTFC's Reserve, a "plug and play" QRF based   on a small mobile HQ, Para Coy/3 RCR, an NBC recce section, an "On Order"attachment of a   Mass Decontamination Company, and with the ability to take other "plug and play" elements under command.  Although the role of the military in GRIZZLY was not primarily to engage in CCO, it became clear during the planning of the op that such eventualities might occur without warning, and without us seeking them. After some struggle with Higher, Comd JTFC GRIZZLY (Comd LFWA) was able to obtain auth for us to do some limited CCO, primarily focusing on arrest and detention and use of pepper spray. It was not mass CCO but rather enough to let us deal with small groups who were obstructing our QRF response to an emergency.

In the past few years, several Rotos have done some limited CCO. However, I have yet to see the re-issue of the Internal Security manual, although I know it was being worked on. The old one was badly outdated, and it CCO portion was a relic of the old days before rioters started showing up armed, equipped, dressed and ready for a fight. Old tactics just do not work against these techniques.

IMHO we must equip our soldiers for the mission. If the mission is Assistance to Law Enforcement, or if it is Aid To Civil Power, we must make sure that no soldier is ever forced to gun down a Canadian citizen if a lesser but effective non-lethal system or technique could have been used without undue risk to our soldiers. Cheers.
 
In 1999/2000, I was A/G3 of LFCA, and Op ABACUS (remember Y2K-The Biggest Thing That Never Happened?) was our main effort..... - I participated in this on pre-training for Roto 6. It was pretty interesting (for a while, then it got kinda old). It was weird training to face a Canadian threat. I role-played a beligerant, and had a hoot ripping into our CSM, calling him names I wouldn't dream of calling him outside of the training. Most of us thought the actual chance of a Y2K debacle to be pretty slim, but we put in a good effort regardless.

Anyhow, didn't mean to get us off track. Carry on as if your normal.
 
Caeser said:
In 1999/2000, I was A/G3 of LFCA, and Op ABACUS (remember Y2K-The Biggest Thing That Never Happened?) was our main effort..... - I participated in this on pre-training for Roto 6. It was pretty interesting (for a while, then it got kinda old). It was weird training to face a Canadian threat. I role-played a beligerant, and had a hoot ripping into our CSM, calling him names I wouldn't dream of calling him outside of the training. Most of us thought the actual chance of a Y2K debacle to be pretty slim, but we put in a good effort regardless.
Anyhow, didn't mean to get us off track. Carry on as if your normal.
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LOL. Yes-you're right. I remember that as we got closer and closer to the day, and more technical analysis began to flow in, we began to get the sneaking suspicion that somebody had sold a load of BS on the whole Y2K thing. But, despite all, that alot of rally good Domestic Ops planning and preparation was done by all the sectors (CF, police, fire/rescue, EMS, etc...) which will stand us in good stead for any future emergencies. The close relationships built with the civil authorities were, IMHO, very valuable. Cheers.
 
PBI,

B-GJ-005-307/FP-090 - CROWD CONFRONTATION OPERATIONS was published 31 May 2003.  It is available on-line through the Army Electronic Library under "Other"/"CF Doctrine"/"Unique Operations".  I have not yet had the time to read the manual in detail, but I my cursory overview suggests that the contents are current and comprehensive. 

Cheers,

Mark C
 
MarkC: Thanks for that.I'll look it up. The last time I knew anything of it was a few years back when I think Mike Minor was working on it. Cheers.

 
Info was passed down to my unit from Brigade that the tuition reimbursement had been increased to $3000 a year to a max of $12 000.
 
Gunnerlove said:
Info was passed down to my unit from Brigade that the tuition reimbursement had been increased to $3000 a year to a max of $12 000.

havnt heard anything about that, got an email at work about 3 weeks ago about it said it was coming back, ill have to email my chief cleck and see if he still has it, cus he sent it to me.
 
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