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Possible to drink too much water?

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By Carla McClain
ARIZONA DAILY STAR


Sometime in the middle of the night, Carol Tufts began to feel very
strange. Dizzy, confused, disoriented.


By midmorning, she had collapsed into a chair, unable to walk, unaware
of what day it was. She was, in fact, dying.


The reason? She drank too much water.


Too much water? In the Southern Arizona desert? Where the never-ending
mantra drummed into our heads tells us to drink water constantly to
ward off the perils of our extreme, dry heat?


Well, Carol Tufts - always vigilant about her health - followed that
advice for years, drinking lots of water daily, to stay hydrated and
healthy. And it almost killed her.


"This was a tremendous surprise to me. It's a fascinating phenomenon,"
said Tufts, 80, a longtime Tucsonan and mother of the late Randy Tufts,
co-discoverer of Kartchner Caverns.


"I just think people really need to know there is such a thing as
drinking too much water - even here - and that it can be very
dangerous. I think there were warning signs this was happening to me,
but I had no idea what they meant."


Her warning is timely, coming on the heels of a major medical study of
endurance athletes that found drinking too much water during heavy,
prolonged exercise may be an even greater threat than drinking too
little.


In fact, that phenomenon has unexpectedly developed into one of the
most common health threats to Grand Canyon hikers, where nearly a fifth
were ending up as "water intoxication" emergencies until signs went up
all over the natural wonder warning of the danger.


This year, the once-unrecognized problem made medical headlines after a
study showed more than 10 percent of runners in the 2002 Boston
Marathon finished the race with below-normal sodium levels, a condition
called hyponatremia.


The reason? They drank too much water during the hours they were
running, so much that they flushed sodium from their bodies,
dangerously upsetting their electrolyte balance.


When that happens, water enters the body's cells, which then swell. If
swollen brain cells start pressing against the skull, the result is
brain damage, paralysis, coma and sometimes death.


"We observed that hyponatremia occurs in a substantial fraction of
marathon runners and can be severe," the authors of the study,
published in the New England Journal of Medicine in April, concluded.
"(It) has emerged as an important cause of race-related death and
life-threatening illness among marathon runners."


Hyponatremia did in fact kill one runner that year - a 28-year old
woman who was struggling badly the last six miles. Suffering nausea,
fatigue and muscle weakness - symptoms similar to dehydration - she
assumed that was the problem, chugged 16 more ounces of fluids, then
collapsed and died.


Her blood sodium levels had plunged to 113 millimoles per liter of
blood. Hyponatremia begins to occur at sodium levels below 135, and
becomes life-threatening at about 120.


When Carol Tufts got to Tucson Medical Center the day she collapsed
recently, her sodium level had plunged to 122.


"She was zoned, completely out of it. She was on her way down," said
Tufts' daughter, Judy Rodin, who found her mother that morning during a
routine stop and called 911.


"I thought maybe she'd had a stroke, she was so bad," she said.


Obviously, at 80, Carol Tufts was no marathon runner or Grand Canyon
hiker. But she faithfully drank about 10 glasses of water a day,
practicing what she thought was a good habit. That morning, when she
felt so bad, she downed four glasses of water quickly, thinking
hydration would help what felt like an irregular heartbeat.


That was enough to throw off her electrolytes, especially her sodium,
almost fatally.


"We see this frequently, especially in elderly people. The cause
usually is all the water they're drinking, combined with the
medications they may be taking," said Dr. Ramakrishnan Subbureddiar, a
geriatric specialist who treated Tufts during her rehabilitation, after
she was left physically weak and mentally unclear for weeks.


"I see some who drink as much as two to three liters of water a day,
and with certain drugs - especially high blood pressure medicine - that
can cause severe problems."


Tufts was on medication for hypertension and osteoporosis, and also
suffered mild hypothyroidism - a condition that can exacerbate sodium
loss.


"I had been noticing some problems with balance and fatigue - my brain
just seemed to get foggy off and on. Now, when I look back on it, I
think I may have been bringing this on for some time, sort of like a
gathering storm," Tufts said.


Now restricted to six cups of fluids a day, Tufts has recovered, and is
more clearheaded than she has been in months, both she and her daughter
say.


"I'm drying out, so to speak," Tufts laughed.


But all the recent publicity on the problem has prompted a warning
about "creating a fear of drinking" from the American College of Sports
Medicine. "The fact is both heat illness and hyponatremia are serious
conditions for marathoners," the group said.


 
iv heard this stuff before i work at a gym an i have so many people ask me, I honestly tell them drink till you feel is right. its what your body is telling you that you should listen to not the FDA. :army:
 
jermeytinling said:
its what your body is telling you that you should listen to not the FDA. :army:

That sounds good to me.
 
And they were just fighting on this topic on a body buidlers forum, they all said that you should drink as much as you can. Most of them said they drank over 10 glasses a day. Or something like that, it was acually a month back cant remeber exactly.
 
Would the type of exercise (aerobic vs. anerobic) have anything to do with this?
 
Possible to drink too much water?
yes, it is.
Kilo Mike said:
Go Gatorade!
keep in mind, that you need to drink water as well as Gatorade. Marathon runners that only drink Gatorade cramp up, but don't if they also drink water.
recceguy said:
When I piss clear, I'm hydrated.
yup, good guideline. Or at least, your piss should be 'straw-yellow'.
Kilo Mike said:
Would the type of exercise (aerobic vs. anerobic) have anything to do with this?
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Kilo Mike said:
Would the type of exercise (aerobic vs. anerobic) have anything to do with this?
o, not really. Your body doesn't differentiate between with or without air workouts in this case. It's just saying "I need water". It doesn't know, or care, why.

Studies show that the human body can only absorb .4 - .5 of a litre per hour. Any more than that, and you're just gonna piss it out, along with nutrients, minerals and other stuff your body needs. As a heavy sweater, who lives on coffee and dip, hydration is a subject I've had to learn a bit about.
 
read it carefully, it wasn't the water, but lack of sudium, you have to increase your salt intake as well as water..... as well as all the other electolytes..... 
 
This can be a widespread problem: I did Ironman Canada in 1998 when not much was known about it.  Due to the severe weather conditions (40+ degrees C) and lack of knowledge, post-race estimates were that up to 90% of the field suffered from varying degrees of hyponatremia.  There were an unprecedented number of DNFs and many of the rest of us couldn't keep anything down, despite following the "drink 'till your free 'n' clear" rule-of-thumb (kept trying to drink water to rehydrate, but was actually exacerbating the problem).  Post race triage was a nightmare: all of the beds were full, the 'waiting room" was full of patients being treated and there were even people sitting under trees with IVs thrown up into the branches!

Anyway, I don't have much of point except to underline the fact that this can be a HUGE concern in hot places, especially when doing something that causes you to sweat profusely.  Salt tablets, Succeed (or similar) are a must on hot days!

More (technical) info here: http://www.spinalhealth.net/hyponatremia.html

A common complaint among Ironman athletes is that they get off the bike, after hydrating regularly throughout the ride, and they feel bloated, their abdomen is swollen, and they have an upset stomach. It's a good guess that they didn't take in enough salt and now all that water/sports drink has pooled in their stomach and they are going to have to run/walk with a watermelon in their gut until they're offered chicken soup broth - which is quite salty - at which point they'll begin to feel like running again. Don't laugh, I read about this happening to some poor souls every year. So what went wrong? Don't sports drinks have sodium in them? We need to look at a few numbers in order to answer these questions.

  1.      Sweat contains between 2.25 and 3.4 grams of salt per litre, and in a long race an athlete could easily lose 1 litre per hour. In a 12 hour race, that adds up to between 27 and 41 grams of salt.
  2.      While everyone is different, a general rule of thumb is that you should try to ingest 1 gram of sodium per hour during a long event. You should also increase your sodium intake in the days leading up to the race. Aim for between 10-25 grams of salt per day pre-race.
  3.      To ingest 1 gram of sodium from sports drinks alone, you would have to drink 2.18 litres of Gatorade. You can't drink that much per hour for the duration of an Ironman race.

So, even if you drink sports drinks during a hot race it is very likely that you will sweat out more salt than you can replace. You will need to replace salt specifically. This can be accomplished by either eating salty foods or taking salt tablets. There are pros and cons to both: Salty Foods will taste good and the fact that you are 'tasting' the salt will help to trigger a thirst response which will make you drink more. But, you will need to eat a lot of salty food to get in enough sodium. One gram of Sodium equals 2.5 grams of table salt. Now, one tablespoon of salt weighs about 6.6 grams, so you will need less than half a tablespoon (per hour), but if you are trying to ingest that from pretzels or crackers, that's a lot of food you'll have to carry. On the other hand, Salt Tablets are convenient little 'pills' made up of sodium and chloride (some electrolyte tablets may have other ingredients, but basic salt tablets are just table salt) which are easy to carry and ingest. But, because they don't stimulate a thirst response you will have to make sure that you are drinking enough during the race. The nice part about ingesting salt while you race is that it allows you to drink plain water for a change from the sports drink of the day. That can be a welcome relief on a hot day because you can wash your face, head, etc. and the water is often colder than the sports drink because it doesn't have to be mixed ahead of time.
 
One of the biggest problems I have encountered has been the "well I wasn't working out, I don't sweat all that much" or the ever popular "don't you people tell us to drink lot's of water" song and dance. What a lot of people fail to realize is that where water goes sodium and other electrolytes will follow. As said earlier in this thread, the body can only hold so much fluid before you get rid of it via urine or your cells accumulate too much and swell and in some cases burst. The body does need need a normal fluid intake but the key is to balance it, drink too much and the body swells, drink too little and in essence the body shrinks.....and by body i actually mean on a cellular level. Not enough people know about this, and it's not only athletes that suffer from it, although they are sometimes at a higher risk.
 
I suffered from water intoxication last year in Florida, when a Platoon of us went to train with the Georgia National Guard.  During the first day of FIBUA training it was around 45 degrees outside with the humidity, inside the buildings it was worse.  I was sucking back the water like it was nothing.  During the week they had supplied us with free powerade to maintain our electrolytes but on this day they didn't get around to us.  I was lucky, I as soon as I started feeling weird I piped up (they made it a point, to not be "heros", if we started feeling f-ed up to go see the medics immediately, no one would think less of us).  They sent me to the medics (an SF medic to boot), luckily I recognized I was having problems early so no IV for me.  They just made me take off my webbing, combat boots/shirt, and slowly fed me gatorade and orange juice.  They asked me how long since i pissed and I told them about 4 hours (it was eleven in the morning at this point), and that for the last day and half, it had been clear.  The medic told me that if it is always coming out clear I don't have enough electrolytes in me.  Like I said I was lucky, I think about 15 people went down (in the battalion) for heat related illnessess (including, overhydration), some had to be hospitalized.  Just sharing my experience.

 
The following is 2 of the 4 pages on Heat Injuries from an Aide Memoire I produced several years ago.



BASIC HEAT INJURY PREVENTION

1. The level of heat stress is determined by air temperature, humidity and air movement which facilitates heat loss from the body through evaporation and convection, providing that skin temperature is lower than the surrounding air temperature. Water consumption, physical activity, and acclimatization 7 - 14 days (7 is the minimum) determine the level of individual heat stress. If heat stress is severe enough, it will lead to fatigue, heat cramps, heat exhaustion and heat stroke.

2. STAY COOL â “ by using shaded areas:  trees, buildings, and tents to reduce radiant heating.  Perform heavy tasks in the cool of the morning or late evening if possible. Use sunscreen. Always cover the head.

3. STAY CLEAN AND RESTED â “ by washing/shaving at night so you will feel refreshed. Minimize heat stress by decreasing work pace and increasing rest and water breaks.

4. STAY HYDRATED AND EAT REGULARLY â “ by maintaining food and fluid intake:  eat meals (add salt to taste) and drink water frequently. Enforce the hydration requirement (see chart page 15). Dark yellow-coloured, infrequent urination is a sign of dehydration. Increase water intake.

5. STAY SAFE â “ by limiting time spent in the direct sun.  Monitor weather conditions to determine heat stress levels. Enforce the Buddy System to monitor each other for heat injuries.

HEAT STROKE

CAUSE:  EXPOSURE TO EXCESSIVE HIGH HEAT.  BODY  IS UNABLE TO CONTROL ITS TEMPERATURE; THE BODY TEMPERATURE RISES RAPIDLY, THE SWEATING MECHANISM FAILS AND THE BODY IS UNABLE TO COOL DOWN.


SYMPTOMS

1. Sweating may stop.  Lack of sweating is an important sign of imminent heat stroke.
2. Flushed, hot dry skin.  Elevated body temperature.
3. Throbbing headache, nausea, collapse. Disoriented, delirious or unconscious.

FIRST AID

1. HEAT  STROKE  IS  A  MEDICAL EMERGENCY.  CASUALTY  MAY  DIE QUICKLY. EVACUATE IMMEDIATELY.
2. Move the soldier to a cool, shady area and remove clothing. Elevate legs.
3. Start cooling the soldier IMMEDIATELY. Sponge or pour water over body. Use ice packs, if available. Fan to cool. Massage  extremities and skin with cool water.
4. If  conscious, have the soldier slowly drink one full canteen of cool water.



HEAT EXHAUSTION

CAUSE:  LOSS OF SALT FROM EXCESSIVE SWEATING AND DEHYDRATION FROM  EXPOSURE  TO  EXCESSIVE  HEAT.  HEAT  EXHAUSTION  AND  HEAT CRAMPS MAY OCCUR SIMULTANEOUSLY.


SYMPTOMS

1. Profuse sweating with pale face, clammy skin, headache, weakness, dizziness and/or collapse, rapid pulse.
2. Cramps in abdomen or legs, nausea (with or without vomiting/diarrhea), rapid breathing, confusion, and tingling of the hands and/or feet may occur.

FIRST AID

1. Same as for Heat Cramps.
2. Pour water on the soldier and fan to permit cooling effect.
3. GET MEDICAL HELP IF SYMPTOMS CONTINUE  (i.e., VOMITING).  Watch the soldier until symptoms are gone or medical aid arrives.  May develop heat stroke.


HEAT CRAMPS

CAUSE:  LOSS OF SALT FROM EXCESSIVE SWEATING.


SYMPTOMS

1. Painful muscle cramps of the arms, legs and abdomen.

FIRST AID

1. Move the soldier to a shady area, loosen clothing and elevate legs.
2. Drink one canteen of water mixed with a combat ration salt packet (1/4 tsp).
3. Get medical help if cramps continue.


DEHYDRATION

CAUSE:  DEPLETION OF BODY FLUIDS.


SYMPTOMS

1. Dizziness, weakness, blurred vision.  Dark yellow urine, infrequent urination.

FIRST AID

1. Replace lost water (sipped not gulped). No caffeine drinks

WATER INTOXICATION (HYPONATREMIA)

CAUSE:  DRINKING TOO MUCH WATER TOO QUICKLY - DILUTION OF THE SODIUM IN THE BLOOD.

SYMPTOMS

1. Symptoms can resemble those of heat stroke or heat exhaustion except body temperature does not rise.
2. Associated with water intake of 10-20 L over a period of a few hours.


FIRST AID

1. When water intoxication is suspected, diagnosis must be made at a medical facility.



 
drink mineral water when working out, and take a shoot of matol, a potassium supp before running. if you sweat a lot, have some salt after you work out, with another glass of water.

too much water is just another form of dehydration, because like the artical said, it's deluding your salt levels... you have to replace those salts (which hold water in your body) the problem being that too many people eat too much salt and end up with problems there.

moderation, and knowing your body. it's all about balance.
 
pappy said:
read it carefully, it wasn't the water, but lack of sudium, you have to increase your salt intake as well as water..... as well as all the other electolytes.....  
My husband, last July, had sun stroke.  He drank so much water in four days that it through his electolytes off so bad he had to go to the emergency center and the doc put him on sodium pills for a few days until he got his body back together.  I am not a doc or any of the sorts, but drink water along with other liquids and if you are following a workout program talk to a doc to find out what is best for you.  All of our bodies are different, meaning we all need different things.
 
During OP Peregrine in Kelowna most of the military pers were carry Camel Backs or the equivilant plus Gatorade/Powerade, while the firefighters only carried water. Within a few days the firefighters were dropping all over the place, they learned, as a lot of soldiers have learned through the years, that water is not the only thing you need.
When I go to the field I carry the 3 litre CB and a water bottle with gatorade which I make up myself.
 
it's all about balance, not too much salt, not too much potassium!
if you have high blood pressure, less salt, heart problems less potassium unless the doc gives you it, or other medications tell you too take it.
i used matol, or KM in the states, it's high potassium, but only use it when you're working out, IE running, and burning it up. too much will kill you. too little will kill you. i knew a guy that came in to the hospital with 50 bottles (no less) of different sups for different things. he's take this one when he felt like this, and another one if this was going on. he was pulling 1000s of extra ml's of potassium in his body.
potassium is what makes your heart beat.....his wasn't working....coincidence?
 
The human body can only process a maximum of half a litre of water an hour, so keep that in mind next time.

I have those powerade crystals that I add to my bottled water(we have an RO system in our house), and they are awesome!
 
RO systems are great, i don't have one, but i get the big 5 gal bottles of it. the problem is, there are 0 minerals in it.
a friend of mine owned a RO supply store, and she said that you should mix mineral water in with it once in a while (in the bottles) or get bottles of mineral water and drink them once in a while. (or at least replace with poweraide etc when you work out and again every 'once in a while') to keep the lytes balanced. but you do get salts etc from food too.
 
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