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New skill badges recognize unique naval operations qualifications

Remius

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Humphrey Bogart said:
The problem with too many "special" units is eventually nobody is special anymore.

That’s not what the badge says...
 

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I'm by no means even a beginner at anything Navy, but the clearance divers have been going around reserve units in a recruiting drive. So they are looking to expand their pool. Perhaps they know something we don't? Or perhaps they anticipate losing people to a new task.
 

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Humphrey Bogart said:
What experience does JTF2 have in this regard either?  They are able to carry out even more complex boarding operations.  Bring a specialist along for the ride or point a gun in someone's face and tell them to do it.  What your highlighting is not a critical requirement.

What D&B was alluding too is the fact that opposed boardings are indeed an Infantry task.  They are usually carried out by Naval Infantry in other countries that have Naval Infantry or by Clearance Divers.

Now that I've managed to thoroughly derail the thread about badges, my apologies!

It just seems that if we have to tie up ships for lack of crew, the Navy ratings are best employed at doing things the Navy does best (and that the Infantry could never do, which is alot, on board).

If you want people to clear a ship, and perhaps take 50% casualties doing so Gawd forbid, then you want to chuck Infantry in there.

Your ship sure won't be 100% ready to fight if your highly trained, specialized, hard to find, 'takes two years to train', propeller hat wearing naval ratings are gut shot...

And now, as my draught certainly exceeds my depth, I shall wait for high water, shout 'mug up!', then weigh anchor....
 

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CanadianTire said:
I'm by no means even a beginner at anything Navy, but the clearance divers have been going around reserve units in a recruiting drive. So they are looking to expand their pool. Perhaps they know something we don't? Or perhaps they anticipate losing people to a new task.

Without looking too deeply into the crystal ball, the aircrew NCM trades are also doing a focused recruiting drive at this time...mostly because of a difference in TOS and PML and with knowledge that PMLs are likely going to increase in the next few years...
 

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Did the RCN switch to metal skill badges for all of their skill badges on DEU tunics? I thought I saw a couple of pictures with sailors with metal diver badges on their tunics. If so, why the change? Are the other services going to follow suit?
 

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[quote author=Dirty Patricia]Did the RCN switch to metal skill badges for all of their skill badges on DEU tunics? I thought I saw a couple of pictures with sailors with metal diver badges on their tunics. If so, why the change? Are the other services going to follow suit?[/quote]

Yes (mostly), last summer:

NAVGEN 018/18 said:
3. DEU:

A. EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY SPECIALIST SKILL BADGES: CLOTH SPECIALIST
SKILL BADGES IAW A-DH-265-000/AG-001 (CANADIAN FORCES DRESS
INSTRUCTION) CH.3 FIGURES 3-3-3 AND FIGURE 3-3-4 ARE TO BE REMOVED
AND REPLACED WITH METAL BADGES

B. MARKSMANSHIP BADGE - NAVY MARKSMEN OF THE RANK OF PO2 AND BELOW
WHO HAVE QUALIFIED AS A FIRST CLASS SHOT OR MARKSMAN, BASED ON ANNUAL
CLASSIFICATION RESULTS FOR THE SERVICE RIFLE IAW CHAPTER 4 OF B-GL-
382-001/FP-001 (CANADIAN FORCES OPERATIONAL SHOOTING PROGRAMME) ARE
AUTHORIZED TO WEAR THE APPROPRIATE MARKSMANSHIP BADGE, EMBROIDERED IN
CF GOLD ON RIFLE GREEN MELTON CLOTH, ON SERVICE DRESS JACKETS. IF THE
MEMBER DOES NOT RE-QUALIFY AS A FIRST CLASS SHOT, OR MARKSMAN WITHIN
ONE CALENDAR YEAR, THE BADGE SHALL BE REMOVED
 

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So, basically going back to what it used to be be in the 70's and 80's: Metal for CF/DEU, cloth for WD/NCD.

As with everything "fashion" what was old is new again and no new wheel gets invented, we just go back in circles to what was in - fell out of fashion - and now is in again.

"Managed change" anyone?
 

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Humphrey Bogart said:
What experience does JTF2 have in this regard either?  They are able to carry out even more complex boarding operations.  Bring a specialist along for the ride or point a gun in someone's face and tell them to do it.  What your highlighting is not a critical requirement...

It’s probably reasonable to believe that some of these folks would have the necessary skills to control the vessel once the tactical situation is controlled.

:2c:

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Dimsum said:
http://www.navy-marine.forces.gc.ca/en/news-operations/news-view.page?doc=new-skill-badges-recognize-unique-naval-operations-qualifications%2Fjvmqlycc&fbclid=IwAR34ca4EH_cM7psc3z7qijG7tQO2iOHo4YmPjRhABJPdsKG94BOYziuRZ0Y%27
And in case you missed it in May, here's a slightly different angle from the RCN info-machine in August.
The latest candidates of the Naval Boarding Party (NBP) Basic Course at Naval Fleet School (Pacific) in Esquimalt, B.C., graduated in a ceremony held August 15. They were the first in the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) to receive the new Specialist Skill Badges for the NBP qualification.

The new NBP badge is one of three new skill badges introduced by the RCN in May to recognize the specialized skill sets of the NBP, the Naval Security Team (NST) and the Naval Tactical Operations Group (NTOG).

All three badges consist of a shield, a traditional symbol of protection, and the NBP badge also includes a stylized naval compass and fouled anchor.

While addressing the 11 graduates, Lieutenant-Commander (LCdr) Danny O’Regan, Acting Commandant of Naval Fleet School (Pacific), congratulated them for their achievement following six weeks of physically and mentally demanding training.

“Boardings are an important part of what the RCN does operationally during deployments around the globe, and these new specialist skill badges are visible recognition that you have attained this significant qualification,” said LCdr O’Regan. “I hope you will wear them with pride as you take your new skills to your shipboard teams.” ...
More @ link

Attached photo caption:  "From left: The Naval Boarding Party Basic Qualification badge and the Naval Tactical Operations Group Qualification badge."
 

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Dimsum said:
They're...not awful.

Looks at RCAF Command Badge

You mean the seagull with an expanding blue fart emanating from its anus?
 

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Good2Golf said:
You mean the seagull with an expanding blue fart emanating from its anus?
What is imagined cannot be unimagined ...
 

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Good2Golf said:
You mean the seagull with an expanding blue fart emanating from its anus?

:-X

Ok, maybe the new RCAF Command Badge is a little bit nicer than that. 
 

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I'd prefer if they were broken down by "groups"...because the old MAG badge was better than the current one with the wings sticking out way too far...then all we have to do is teach people how it is supposed to be worn.  :nod:

https://www.facebook.com/RCAF.ARC/photos/a.10150142814416237/10156261897441237/?type=3&theater
 

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Eye In The Sky said:
I'd prefer if they were broken down by "groups"...because the old MAG badge was better than the current one with the wings sticking out way too far...then all we have to do is teach people how it is supposed to be worn.  :nod:

https://www.facebook.com/RCAF.ARC/photos/a.10150142814416237/10156261897441237/?type=3&theater

Or we put the Maritime Air Group guys and gals (and non binary) in RCN uniforms and then nobody needs any stinkin badges!  ;D
 

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Or we put the Maritime Air Group guys and gals (and non binary) in RCN uniforms and then nobody needs any stinkin badges!  ;D

Uhhh, I like my wedge too much to give it up. 

And...I'd like to see the Air Transport Command badge come back;  that's the one I think everyone would 'point and talk' about... ;D
 

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Eye In The Sky said:
Uhhh, I like my wedge too much to give it up. 

Pfft...I'm sure there would be some "considerations"

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FSTO said:
Or we put the Maritime Air Group guys and gals (and non binary) in RCN uniforms and then nobody needs any stinkin badges!  ;D

That's actually a topic in the Air Force Research List 2019-2020 (along with Tac Hel to the Army).  I wonder if anyone will write about it. 
 
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