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Muslim woman in "BURQUINI" banned from Paris pool

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Now what would have happened if this had been a nudist beach instead?  >:D

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32388642/ns/world_news-europe/?GT1=43001

Muslim in ‘burquini’ barred from Paris pool
Officials say move was related to hygiene standards, not religious attire

The Associated Press
updated 4:22 p.m. PT, Wed., Aug 12, 2009
PARIS - A Muslim woman garbed in a head-to-toe swimsuit — dubbed a "burquini" — may have opened a new chapter in France's tussle between religious practices and its stern secular code.

Officials on Wednesday insisted they banned the woman's use of the Islam-friendly swimsuit because of France's unusually strict hygiene standards in pools — not because of official hostility to wearing overtly Muslim garb.

Under the policy, swimmers are prevented from wearing any street-compatible or baggy clothing, such as Bermuda shorts, in favor of figure-hugging suits.

Nonetheless the woman, a 35-year-old convert to Islam identified only as Carole, complained of religious discrimination after trying to go swimming in a "burquini," a full-body swimsuit, in the town of Emerainville, southeast of Paris.

‘This is nothing but segregation’
She was quoted as telling the daily Le Parisien newspaper that she had bought the burquini after deciding "it would allow me the pleasure of bathing without showing too much of myself, as Islam recommends."

"For me this is nothing but segregation," she added.

The issue of religious attire is a hot topic in France, where head-to-toe burqas or other full-body coverings worn by Muslim fundamentalists are in official disfavor.

France is home to western Europe's largest Muslim population, estimated at 5 million, and Islam is the nation's second religion after Roman Catholicism.

A 2004 law banning the wearing of Muslim head scarves at public schools sparked fierce debate. That legislation also banned Jewish skullcaps and large Christian crosses in public classrooms.

French lawmakers recently revived the issue of Muslim dress with a proposal that the burqa and other voluminous Muslim attire be banned.

President Nicolas Sarkozy, a conservative, backs the move, saying such garb makes women prisoners.

The "burquini" covers the arms to the wrists and the legs to the ankle and has a hood to cover neck and hair.

‘These clothes are used in public’
An official in charge of swimming pools for the Emerainville region, Daniel Guillaume, said the refusal to allow the local woman to swim in her "burquini" had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with public health standards.

"These clothes are used in public, so they can contain molecules, viruses, et cetera, which will go in the water and could be transmitted to other bathers," Guillaume said in a telephone interview.

"We reminded this woman that one should not bathe all dressed, just as we would tell someone who is a nudist not to bathe all naked," he said.

Guillaume said France's public health standards require all pool-goers to don swimsuits for women and tight, swimming briefs for men — and caps to cover their hair. Bathers also must shower before entering the water.

Guillaume said Carole had tried to file a complaint at a local police station, but her request was turned down as groundless.

Carole told the daily Le Parisien she would protest with the help of anti-discrimination groups.

Emerainville Mayor Alan Kelyor said he could not understand why the woman would want to swim in head-to-toe clothes.

"We are going back in civilization," he said by telephone. Women have fought for decades for equal rights with men, he said. "Now we are putting them back in burqas and veils."

Sales are strong for suits
The suits have a clear market.

Women "jump on the occasion so they can swim with their families. Otherwise, they end up staying on the beach and watching," said Leila Mouhoubia, who runs an online site from France that specializes in the sale of Islamic swimsuits. Sales, she said, are strong.

"I think it's forbidden (in France) because it presents an image of the Muslim woman (and) they have prejudices against Muslims," she said by telephone. "They want women to be undressed."


Mouloud Aounit, head of the anti-racism group known as MRAP, said the decision to ban Carole from the pool appeared fair, since pool authorities were observing regulations. But Aounit lamented that the incident was likely to fuel religious tensions.

"The rules must be the same for everybody, regardless of the color of their skin or their religion," Aounit said. "The concern I have is that this case will again lead to stigmatization of the Muslim population in France."

The all-body suits, worn regularly by some women in Muslim countries, are growing popular in the West. They can be seen on female Muslim lifeguards on Australian beaches, in the United States and various European countries, from the Netherlands to Sweden — which OK'd them after two women won discrimination cases last year.

More on Muslims in France


Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
 
She could have said she was on the Olympic swim team, and wanted some light training.  ;D
 
I think we should enact such a policy here in North America ...

Spandex for all the gentlemen (as it is in France) - wouldn't want you all to risk your health (or mine!!) by swimming in loose Bermuda-style-short-type swimwear!!  >:D
 
Spandex on anyone under 5 foot 6 inches tall and over 300 lbs doesn't look good.......no matter the sex. 
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George Wallace said:
Spandex on anyone under 5 foot 6 inches tall and over 300 lbs doesn't look good.......no matter the sex. 
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Count your blessings that you don't live in France then!!  :p
 
ArmyVern said:
Count your blessings that you don't live in France then!!  :p

...or Miami when the Quebec snowbirds flock in :eek:

Tis why, of  course, that real men just prefer the Crown Royal bag ;)
 
I wonder how many death threats French officials will reciever over this?

As Charlie Brown would say 'Good grief'.

OWDU
 
George Wallace said:
Spandex on anyone under 5 foot 6 inches tall and over 300 lbs doesn't look good.......no matter the sex. 
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Or Thongs on someone with the same statistics
 
But in Canada though, we allow people wearing them to take pics for driver's licence without showing their face.

IF you've been to France and witnessed the ethnic Riots first hand, it's no joke with a lot of property being damaged. I am sure some kind of uprising is going to happen from this at some point.

Germany has similar problems with the Kurds and Turks
 
Officials say the head-to-toe "burquini" is unhygienic and harmful to other bathers

I don't see where this would be any more or less hygienic than a regular bathing suit.  I guess more material maybe?  ???
 
PMedMoe said:
I don't see where this would be any more or less hygienic than a regular bathing suit.  I guess more material maybe?  ???
It may be a bogus reason, but if it is applied equally across the board, I don't think anyone can really argue it.
 
Unhygenic in pools  ???...as opposed to normal swim/bathing apparel which allows the usual bugs to get thru...feces, urine...other bodily liquid exuberances.....


Actually, I find the "burquini" kind of sexy....your imagination has to go into high gear to figure out what's underneath...the "usual" ones leave absolutely nothing to the imagination!! ;D      8)   
And leave the spandex at home....eeeewww
I can see another race riot over the insult to Islam on this one  :pop:
Ummm, not that I was looking.... 8)
 
BYT Driver said:
...other bodily liquid exuberances.....

"Exuberances"?!  :rofl:
I heard Mickey Rooney call it, "laughter of the loins".
Reminds me of the recent got preggers in a pool thread.

 
BYT Driver said:
Unhygenic in pools  ???...as opposed to normal swim/bathing apparel which allows the usual bugs to get thru...feces, urine...other bodily liquid exuberances.....

Their reasoning is that one may be more inclined to wear a burguini everywhere (as it looks kind of like a track suit), thereby potentially picking up more bacteria, viruses, etc.

Also, they do not allow swimmers to wear "any street-compatible or baggy clothing, such as Bermuda shorts" in the water. 

Discrimination?  Probably not if they apply the rule equally, as recceguy said.

As far as your other bodily liquid exuberances, I just had lunch.... :-X
 
PMedMoe said:
As far as your other bodily liquid exuberances, I just had lunch.... :-X

Did it look as good the second time around?

Sorry, couldn't resist.
 
CountDC said:
Did it look as good the second time around?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

:rofl: 
As I said once in that type of situation, "Now I know why they call it Pizza Twice." 
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PMedMoe said:
:rofl: 
As I said once in that type of situation, "Now I know why they call it Pizza Twice." 
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:crybaby:Uggg...I just gave you MilPoints today. That comment makes me want to subtract some.  ;)
 
Well of course I had to read this just as I'm getting ready to hit the pool.

I think after my 400 M for time and 10 mins treading water, I might douse myself with rubbing alcohol instead of the usual shower..
 
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