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Female soldier demoted for mud wrestling
Monday, February 7, 2005 Posted: 7:50 AM EST (1250 GMT)

RALEIGH, North Carolina (AP) -- A female member of a National Guard military police unit was demoted for indecent exposure after a mud-wrestling party at the Army-run Camp Bucca detention center in Iraq, a military spokesman said Sunday.

The party occurred October 30, as the 160th Military Police Battalion, an Army Reserve Unit from Tallahassee, Florida, prepared to turn over its duties to the Asheville-based 105th Military Police Battalion, said Lt. Col. Barry Johnson, spokesman for detainee operations at Camp Bucca.

In the course of the transfer of duties, "some individuals in their exuberance decided to put together a mud-wrestling thing," Johnson said Sunday by telephone. "There were females involved, and some members of the 105th also became involved, one female soldier in particular."

Following an inquiry, that soldier was demoted and placed on restriction for participating in the event, specifically for indecent exposure, he said.

Four or five other members of the 105th who were spectators received counseling, Johnson said.

Johnson did not release the name of the demoted soldier. However, she was identified by the Daily News as Deanna Allen, 19, and the New York newspaper's identification was confirmed by her mother, Ladyna Waldrop of Black Mountain.

Allen was demoted from specialist to private first class. She is still a guard at the camp, the newspaper said.

The Daily News said it was given 30 of the party photos, and it printed several in Sunday's editions.

Waldrop said her daughter is devastated by the events.

"It was just a thing where she was coerced by a bunch of people, and with all the excitement, she lost her sanity for a moment and that's all it took," she said.

"It seems like they're just singling her out," Waldrop said. "She's the one getting all the publicity and punishment, and that's not right."

The 105th took over Camp Bucca on November 1, and photos of the party were found after the 160th had left Iraq, Johnson said, adding that he understood a soldier had turned over the photos to commanders.

Results of the inquiry were sent to the commander of the 160th, he said. "It appears from the commander's inquiry that this was primarily put on by troops of the 160th, who are no longer under our command," Johnson said.

It wasn't immediately clear Sunday if any members of the 160th had been disciplined.

The party was isolated, Johnson said. "Detainees were nowhere in the vicinity," he said. "They had no possible way of seeing what occurred."

A scandal involving the separate Abu Ghraib prison erupted last spring when photographs were made public showing soldiers taunting naked Iraqi prisoners.

Waldrop said she communicates with her daughter almost every day via Internet instant messaging, and they also see each other by means of a Web camera. "She's very tearful, very upset," Waldrop said.

Waldrop said she was proud of her daughter for joining the National Guard. "But I hate that this happened, and so does she," she said. The party "just got way out of hand, and before you know it, pictures were taken, and she didn't have time to react.

"My mom and I have both had talks with her that she's supposed to be an example for her country."


 
Is it just me, or do US Reserve MPs get themselves in a lot of shiite?

If I was them, I wouldn't go near an Iraqi prison!
 
Are you just trying to stir the shit-pot?

If you equate one's self-reflection on their combat experience with indecent exposure while on operations (and having pictures taken of it), then you've got a problem with perspective.

So, you've posted a stupid article with no commentary and an inflammatory title, now what's your point?
 
Stupid is as Stupid does

You would have figured that nothing is secret and eventually most indiscretions come to light (especially idiots with cameras). After all the other bullshit, you would think people would learn.

However it seems to me the the lower ranks are getting the shaft, and the Chain of Command (Coy/Bn) isn't being held accountable for the troops under them. Although details are sketchy, one more incident that starting to seem "something is rotten in Denmark" (at least in the ANG MP world anyway).

As for the General, he maybe indiscreet at times, but I don't put him in the stupid category.
 
RCA said:
As for the General, he maybe indiscreet at times, but I don't put him in the stupid category.

Thank you.
 
Not saying that the General was stupid but it is interesting that an NCO can have their career negatively affected but the General gets a reprimand for saying something far more controversial (at least in my view.) But no, I'm not trying to stir the crap-pot - if you like I'll change the title, mdh
 
mdh said:
Not saying that the General was stupid but it is interesting that an NCO can have their career negatively affected but the General gets a reprimand for saying something far more controversial (at least in my view.)

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/278075p-238272c.html

It appears that the soldier who was disciplined has had her tits all over the news.   Again, you're comparing apples to oranges.

The General, true to his character, was a little more open about his experience then some of the "arm-chair generals" would like.   Is he unprofessional?   Ask the thousands of Marines who've faced fire under him.

The Specialist (not an NCO) was breaking any number of regulations (Article 15 is a good start) by having nudie pics taken of her in a suggestive situation by wrestling around in her underwear for her fellow soldiers - the problem with this case is most likely due to the fact that this is while she was on operations in Iraq (re: Army time).   Sure, we may all like to blow off steam when we are in private (Zulu warrior.... >:D), but you have to be discreet about this (I know this from personal experience).  She broke the rules and got caught for it.

I don't know about you, but I fail to see the connection of "controversies" and the comparison of the two with regards to professionalism (what rules did the General break).
 
I don't know about you, but I fail to see the connection of "controversies" and the comparison of the two with regards to professionalism.

No you're absolutely right on that score - and I'm not trying to compare them on any professional level. The linkage is weak, but for some reason - I'm in the mood to be the barrack room socialist today.  By the way what's Zulu Warrior? - sounds like something I'd be interested in.
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/278075p-238272c.html

I thank God that I will never have you as one of my leaders.  Did you go to RMC and if so what did they teach you?
 
Did you go to RMC and if so what did they teach you?

RMC? NO! No need to get that insulting,  ;D

cheers, mdh
 
mdh said:
No you're absolutely right on that score - and I'm not trying to compare them on any professional level.

Not saying that the General was stupid but it is interesting that an NCO can have their career negatively affected but the General gets a reprimand for saying something far more controversial

How else is this to be construed.

The linkage is weak, but for some reason - I'm in the mood to be the barrack room socialist today.

Well, I don't see how dragging the Gen Mattis issue down to this level is a very good effort of doing so.


By the way what's Zulu Warrior? - sounds like something I'd be interested in.

Now you're betraying your inexperience.  If and when you learn, you'll understand why you're not going to get the answer here.
 
Now you're betraying your inexperience.   If and when you learn, you'll understand why you're not going to get the answer here.

;)
 
Not to add to much of a meaningless post...but now that I'm out here in the civy-world, I'd find a lawnchair, crack a beer - and enjoy the show.        8)

Does anybody else feel as if perhaps they are making it a bigger deal than it needs to be?  That perhaps the media is just adding fuel to the fire?  If it was an isolated party, on their off-time, away from any sort of detainees - does anybody else feel that caution should be in order?

Don't stick your bayonettes through my throat just yet guys.  Back when I was in, we had the occassional "party in the field".  Not a real party, obviously - but we had our times when we went a little overboard and were pretty casual.  I can only imagine that after spending a year in Iraq, and being on your way home - some of the troops, who have been through hell every single day for an entire year, might feel a bit joyous and celebrate together.  Its not fair that this one female is getting all the flak, while the others and her seniors are getting off rather easily.

Meh, I'm rambling.  Call me casual, but I don't think it needs to be a big deal.  Some soldiers got a little rowdy, and had their own little "incident" while being replaced with another battalion, and are on their way home.  Sure, they could have been smarter about it - especially since ANG MP's and cameras seem to be a bad mix these days.  But in the grand picture of things, is it really that big of a deal?  Or is it just the media making it bigger than it needs to be?
 
Who would have guessed that being an American MP was that much fun!  :p
 
If I ever wind up in the CF again and see a guy with a camera anyplace near me I'm going to give him one warning to get rid of it, then if he/she doesn't comply I'm going to break it!

MDH- the press will say any and everything to get themselves and their slimy journalistic careers noticed. If they have to do it on the back of soldiers you can bet that they won't think twice about it. Posting an article like that only helps their cause.

Think on it...

Slim
 
Boobs are news to the US-look at the endless silly fixation about JJ's exposure on TV-probably due to the Puritan heritage ;D.  As well, naughty ARNG MPs are the flavour of the month for the US media. Yawn.

If you put young(and US soldiers are generally much younger than ours) and incurably horny men and women toether at close quarters under lots of stress (LOTS more than what the average Canadian is facing on any mission right now, due partly to operational conditions, partly to US Army personnel policies that we would probably consider draconian), and add to that the fact that as ARNG they may not be as "career-oriented" as Active Army would be, WTF do you expect? We are wrong to compare our older Regular Army, with its very comfy deployed lifestyle and strictly limited and predictable six-month tours, with low levels of danger for most people (most, I said....) to what US soldiers in Iraq face. Any comparisons are IMHO spurious.

If anybody thinks that stuff like this isn't going to happen under the conditions I described, you must have joined after coffee break this morning. To me the real questions that need to be asked are not what Ptes and Specs did, but those questions concerning the immediate leadership: the senior NCOs who reportedly organized this. Did they sexually exploit subordinates? Did they encourage female soldiers to act in a sexual manner? What were they thinking of? That is what they need to examine, not worry if some silly young troop dropped her kit and flashed her stuff in the heat of the moment.

I would be very VERY surprised that anybody at the battalion level knew about this. The US Army, from what I can make out, is extremely strict and intolerant of this sort of thing , and I would think that if the CO or Bn CSM knew they would have squashed it and taken action. If there is anybody out there who thinks that the CO (or even the OC) knows what the troops are up to 100% of the time, then I suggest you also must have drawn your kit this morning. Troops can be quite skilled at doing things on their own, believe me. I've been on both sides of the fence on that one

Cheers
 
This is definitely one of the times I have to agree with PBI.  Where is all the leadership in this scandal.  Why haven't we heard anything about the organizers getting charged.  I mean, I do agree that it was poor judgement on her part to be flashing the crowd (especially when there were those stupid enough to bring a camera to it) but what about those that helped facilitate this obviously very sexual escapade.
  I mean I personally don't see the biggest issue with the actual fact that this girl flashed anyone.  I am sure that pretty much everyone that is reading this forum has seen random breasts at some point in their life.  That being said if this girl is getting charged for acting unprofessionally even in their off time then I really have to question why the organizers and others who went and watched aren't getting charged.  I know the whole scape goat theory but I don't agree with it.  These girls were the last in a chain of events...if those who organized it don't get in some form of trouble then they can/will always go find other girls to participate and so what if the girls get charged it is no skin off their nose.  It doesn't stop the action if that is what the US is trying for.  Anyways, that is my rant for now.  :flame:
 
The US fascination with breasts is downright unhealthy...not that they're fascinated, but that it's seen as such a big deal.  I thought the Puritans died out...


Here's an example of how that article could have been written:

http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4104
 
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