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Missouri National Guard sent to Ferguson amid unrest over teen's shooting

Dkeh

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Definitely. The longer they can milk this, the happier they will be.
 

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tomahawk6 said:
The problem in Ferguson is that we have radical outside elements such as the Black Panthers and the Communist Party that have infiltrated the protests.

Are you saying Putin is behind all of this?

Now it all makes sense. ;D
 

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Container said:
Police attempted to have sit downs prior to the olympics- it didnt take. But in general in the U.S. force is ramped up quicker- the idea being that its cheaper to get it over with quickly. There are some fundamental differences in how force is used between the two- it may not seem so to the outside but after enough training with them and it becomes pretty obvious. What else is obvious- their everyday policing reality is different. I cannot speak of the entire Canadian experience with police work. But I have worked the communities with top percentage of violent calls and been involved in pretty much every type of force deployment at one time or another- but I have never felt that I was an occupying force. There are neighbourhoods in the States that have that tone. Is it neccessary? I dont know.

I had an ops course a few years ago where we were discussing incident command. One model discussed was from the LAPD- where when an armed barricaded happened a clock started for the negotiators. At a certain point SWAT acted becaused the incident was costing too much- it was thought this was part of the reason why SWAT there was leading the way in deaths in that profile.

In Canada we will negotiate forever- or so it seems. I am thankful that cost isnt the deciding factor. I would have a hard time putting my uniform on.

I wont discuss how the response for Mounties is formulated. There is a multi level approach.

Great post!  Police in Canada "keep the peace", it seems the prevailing attitude in the States is that Police "make the peace"
 

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milnews.ca said:
Or is the law about "federal" troops, while NG are "state" troops?

The National Guard can be activated under 3 different statuses:

- State Active Duty (SAD): State C2 and State funding,  Posse Comitatus Act does not apply.
- Title 32 Full-Time National Guard Duty: State C2 and federal funding. Posse Comitatus Act does not apply.
- Title 10 Active-Duty: Federal C2 and federal funding. Posse Comitatus Act applies.

Title 10 permits deployment and employment of NG assets worldwide.
 

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And the Guard troops are withdrawn:

Reuters

March, memorial service planned in embattled Missouri town

By Nick Carey, Carey Gillam and Edward McAllister
FERGUSON Mo. (Reuters) - Another march and a memorial service are planned for Friday in the violence-weary town of Ferguson, Missouri, where the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teen by a police officer has prompted two weeks of protests.

Following two straight nights of relative calm in the St. Louis suburb, a drawdown of National Guard troops was expected to begin on Friday. Some protesters said they thought this was a good sign, but doubted it would have much impact.

(...EDITED)
 

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Container said:
I am of the opinion that it is the responsibility of the protesters to regulate themselves. If they dictate that behavior is unacceptable and separate themselves from those individuals it would be fine- but they have indicated, most times, they wont- because of "solidarity". Until such time as they do....itll always be a gong show.
For anyone interested in learning more about the bit in yellow, Google-fu'ing "diversity of tactics" leads one to all sorts of interesting justifications for allowing damage to private property during protests.
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A rather interesting and honest review.

He hits some good points. Especially about civil rights leaders and organizations.

http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=5e234fa88933
 

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milnews.ca said:
<infogeek sidetrack>For anyone interested in learning more about the bit in yellow, Google-fu'ing "diversity of tactics" leads one to all sorts of interesting justifications for allowing damage to private property during protests.
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Once upon a time, in a land far, far away (that was full of drunken, violently protesting d*ckheads) it was an accepted tactic to occasionally 'let' them destroy a certain amount of private property, which brought down the wrath of the community upon them. This was a force multiplier well beyond anything the security forces could offer.

Nothing like your neighbour punching your lights out for smashing his windows with a brick to keep you in line. :nod:
 

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milnews.ca said:
<infogeek sidetrack>For anyone interested in learning more about the bit in yellow, Google-fu'ing "diversity of tactics" leads one to all sorts of interesting justifications for allowing damage to private property during protests.
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THAT was the phrase I couldnt recall! Thanks! Im getting old.
 

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One of the reasons things got so out of control is many US police serevices eagerly accept surplus military gear from the US Army and Marines, like automatic rifles and MRAP vehicles, even though they might not have much use for it. Here is an example that should really make people shake their heads, a school police force received grenade launchers, automatic rifles and an MRAP. They have, reluctantly, returned the grenade launchers, however:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140917/05100828545/la-school-district-relunctantly-gives-up-grenade-launchers-pentagon-gave-them.shtml

LA School District Reluctantly Gives Up The Grenade Launchers The Pentagon Gave Them

from the safety-first! dept

We've been detailing the issue of police militarization for quite some time around here (though the best resource on the issue has been Radley Balko, who wrote an excellent book on the topic). The issue has finally become at least somewhat mainstream, thanks to the high-profile appearance of militarized police responding to the protests in Ferguson, Missouri. This has, at the very least, resulted in at least a few police departments thinking better of their decision to accept surplus military gear from the Defense Department via its 1033 program. And the latest is the Los Angeles School Police Department.

Just last week, MuckRock posted on its site about a FOIA request from California, detailing the military equipment given to school police forces. Just the fact that any military equipment is being given to school police should raise some serious questions, but the one that really stood out was that the LA School Police had been given three grenade launchers, along with 61 assault rifles and one MRAP (mine resistant vehicle -- the big scary looking armored vehicles that have become one of the key symbols of police militarization). Asked to explain itself, the LA School police chief, Steve Zipperman, claimed that the district had actually received the grenade launchers and the rifles all the way back in 2001 (though the MRAP is brand-spanking-new). But, he claimed, we shouldn't worry too much, because the police didn't think of them as "grenade launchers," but rather "ammunition launchers," and they were mainly kept around in case other police needed them:

Zipperman said that although the Pentagon identifies the three launchers as grenade launchers, civilian police call them less-deadly ammunition launchers. He assured me that the school police never had any intention of lobbing grenades at anyone, ever, and that they would not be used against students to launch anything. But as a police department, he said, LAUSD’s finest engage in mutual-aid pacts with other police agencies, and the ability to move those launchers out of storage might come in handy.

As for the assault rifles, Zipperman said they were converted to semiautomatic assault rifles -- why am I not feeling better yet? -- and are used to train a cadre of officers within the department. Those officers in turn are equipped with civilian semiautomatic rifles, which are either kept in locked compartments within their patrol cars, or in more centralized locations, in case of a Columbine High School-type gunman attack.

Either way, with the outrage and backlash growing, the school district police force has now agreed to give up the grenade launchers, but it's keeping the rifles and the MRAP. The department told the LA Times that the rifles were "essential life-saving items" though no evidence is given of what lives they've saved.

That same article at the LA Times quotes someone from the Oakland School Police Department up here in Northern California, who received a "tactical utility truck" from the Pentagon program, saying that the truck is "a rolling public relations vehicle." Public relations how, exactly? That if the police don't like the look of you, they may blow your head off? And then there's this:

"We end up having to bring out a gas can and jumper cables every time we want to drive it — it's only used twice a year."

If they have to bring out the gas can and jumper cables every time they want to use it, it doesn't sound like it's particularly useful in those "emergency" situations we keep hearing about in defense of these programs. If there's suddenly a big emergency, and the police have to go searching for some gas and the jumper cables? Perhaps that just shows how non-"essential" these giveaways are

I have the feeling that there is great pressure to justify the aquasition of the new kit, especially since while the kit might be free, upkeep, storage and training to use it are not.
 
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