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Military Stops Giving Stats on Canada's Injured- Article 23/ March/ 2010

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Although I do believe this is a good thing the part I highlighted in colour does concern me as I believe a lot of the advancments made for our injured soldiers came about because of publicity.

I'll be blunt, I don't 100% trust NDHQ to always do the right thing when there is no "points" to be made.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/03/23/13332261-cp.html

Military stops giving stats on Canada's injured

By Murray Brewster, THE CANADIAN PRESS
   
KANDAHAR AIR FIELD, Afghanistan — The Canadian military has quietly stopped reporting when soldiers are wounded on the battlefield and will instead deliver annual statistics to the public.
The stark policy shift is described as a deliberate attempt to keep the Taliban in the dark.

The weekend death of Cpl. Darren Fitzpatrick in an Edmonton trauma centre brought the directive to the forefront. The 21-year-old was mortally wounded in a previously unreported March 6 roadside bombing.
Fitzpatrick, of 3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry, was on a foot patrol with Afghan soldiers when the blast occurred in the volatile Zhari district, west of Kandahar.

There have been other recent unreported incidents, including a soldier with a gunshot wound to the leg last week.
In a written statement late Tuesday, Canada’s task force commander, Brig-Gen. Dan Menard, said the directive was necessary. 
 

The army does not want militants “to link the number of wounded with any particular incident,” he said.
“If the insurgents knew how many soldiers were wounded in each particular incident, they could use this information to improve their tactics in the future and cause more Canadian casualties.”

It the first time in nearly four years of heavy fighting that the military has extended the blanket of secrecy, known colloquially as battle damage assessment, to its own soldiers.
The army has long banned the release of photographs of blown-up vehicles on the basis that it would help the Taliban build bigger bombs. The military also restricts the flow of information in other ways in hopes of keeping the enemy off balance.

Journalists embedded with the military were in the past routinely briefed on engagements in the field and told when troops had been wounded.
A military official speaking on background said the policy on the release of information relating to battle and non-battle casualties was revised in October 2007 to “address operational security concerns.”

As late as last year, the military released battlefield reports of wounded.
It is unclear when the practice was officially stopped and whether it was a recommendation made on the ground, or an order from National Defence headquarters in Ottawa.

Menard said statistics on wounded soldiers are released once a year and the public’s right to know is being satisfied.
A lot of attention is paid to those Canadian soldiers who are killed in action; their caskets are returned to Canada to emotional crowds who out of respect line Ontario’s Highway 401 with flags and tributes. Hundreds of soldiers who are severely wounded in Kandahar, however, go home in relative anonymity and silence.

As of the end of December 2009, 529 Canadian soldiers were listed as wounded in action, according to the military’s latest statistical assessment. The numbers go all of the way back to 2002 when the army first deployed to Afghanistan.
A further 913 were sent home for what is described as non-battle related injuries, including medical reasons, accidents — or on compassionate grounds.
Since the war began, 141 soldiers and one diplomat have been killed.

The often lonely plight of the wounded came into focus with the death last November of Dawson Bayliss, a former private who was hit by an out of control armoured vehicle turret in the spring of 2006.
The 24-year-old died of complications of a head injury at his Calgary home after being in and out of hospital. He had been unable to continue with his military career because of the trauma and died as a civilian.

Had the new policy been in place previously, the public might not have known about some of the military’s more inspirational figures of the last few years, including Capt. Trevor Greene, Master Cpl. Paul Franklin and Cpl. Jodie Mitic.

 
I remember when the conflict started it was loudly proclaimed that we, unlike the Americans will NOT keep a running body count of the enemy like they did in Viet Nam................and the Canadian military and media didn't............instead we gave a running body count of ours....and, as far as the public can see.....we ain't doing shit over there, cause its' only our guys dying.....the public doesn't know anything about the Taliban casualties ..

And we wonder why the conflict does not have public support.....we aren't telling them anything about it except that Canadians have been killed.
 
I constantly hear people ask me about what's "really going on over there?"  The Canadian public are not idiots and some realize that the info they get is from one source:  the media and almost always, ONLY the media.

I find it disconcerting that that really is the case.  The CF could be doing a wonderful job of "selling" but chooses instead to keep quiet on a lot of matters.  I am always surprised at how happy people are after I tell them my stories.  I am on my second year of speaking at a high school outside of Montreal for rememberance day and I still hear the kids/parents amazed at the topics I "enlighten" them on.
 
Bzzliteyr, how can you say
The Canadian public are not idiots
, and say
I still hear the kids/parents amazed at the topics I "enlighten" them on.
in the same post. Think about it. Are not those kids/parents representative of the Canadian public?  Is not the Canadaian public constantly bombarded by a anti conservative Canadian media?

One hell of a lot of people I know, including relatives, believe all the  shidt the G & M, the CBC, CTV produces. Hook, line and sinker. A couple are still scared of PM Harper! Another one countered "nobody watches CBC National news", with a proud "I Do". (so enjoy with the 400,000 other idiots in Canada who watch it).

Note: Three attempts to fix typo failed. Appears ok, but after Save, same typo appears.
 
They are not idiots in the aspect that they know they are not being fed "all the info".

They are amazed when I tell them what info they are missing. What parts of those statments are contradictory?

Um, doesn't PM Harper eat little children for breakfast and live under my bed?  I'd be scared as well!!
 
I just find that Canadians are not well informed. They don't pay attention. The younger ones are influenced by the headlines that are blasted at them, and don't delve further into it.

Too busy with life, and all that means; job, family, etc. But what happens in politics affects life.

 
And that's my speaking point when I meet with them. 

I tell them to get INFORMED opinions.. not just the ones that the media gives you.  And sometimes it takes work to find the information.  Don't be a drone.
 
From reading old "Casualty Lists" in newspaper clippings, and now online, during the war Canada always posted the name, serial number, unit, hometown ( complete with house address! ) and name of next of kin of the wounded man.
That's not to question the way they report, or do not report, wounded now. Just shows that times change.
 
I tell the kids not to be a drone!!  It was not directed at you!

Sorry if you misinterpreted.  I love friendly discussions.  I agree wholeheartedly that our society is the result of what we make it.  Media, video games, communities, etc all play a factor in how people look at things.  Maybe the military is taking the "if we don't talk about it, it doesn't exist" stance and forgetting that if "we" (the military) don't talk about it then "they" (the media) will.

If we don't say something is wrong, then how will people know?  It's the perfect example with injured soldiers.  I understand completely about not letting the badguys know the efficiency of their weapons but on the same note, once the injured return home they should get recognized.  Dates of attacks can remain hidden, just a statement of "Canada repatriated 3 soldiers this week, two from injuries sustained in Afghanistan in the past month and one from a paper cut" or something of the sorts?
 
Rifleman62 said:
I guess you don't want a friendly discussion, or another point of view.

Anyway it was off topic.

I believe his comments were directed at the generic uninformed Canadian, in the context of his speaking engagements, not at you.
 
Rifleman62 said:
I just find that Canadians are not well informed. They don't pay attention. The younger ones are influenced by the headlines that are blasted at them, and don't delve further into it.

Too busy with life, and all that means; job, family, etc. But what happens in politics affects life.

Or, because of lack of time/interest/initiative/whatever, half-listening to the radio/TV, skimming papers or the internet....  It really is hard work finding out what Canada's doing in Afghanistan, and most people of all ages don't have the time to research.
 
I apologise . I took your comments incorrectly.

P.S. Happy Birthday.
 
Like Tony, and a good part of this audience, I make an effort on a daily basis to peruse information on Afghanistan (mainly for the sandbox thread), and I can't find consistant information.....it is actually very frustrating...
 
Annual reports would be a great way to take away direct feedback to the Taliban gets on their attacks and how to deploy for new attacks or it might be the government not being able to take the heat for casualties anymore.

Since Vietnam, people like the Taliban have realized you don't need to beat the army of a democracy to win. Just making it unpalatable for the folks back home is enough. I think part of the reason why America used those idiot blackwater guys partly is because they didn't have to say boo when one of them got hit.
 
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