Military Relocation / Posting Policy-Moves [MERGED]

[Long in the tooth]

Holy for fu*k, would want to go thru the COComd or talk to the clk about this.... why bother.....

 

[Glorified Ape]

This seemed the best place for my question:

I'll be finished my degree in May and heading to Gagetown (from Montreal) for CAP and PhIII/IV (infantry). Since I'll be there for a year or more, I expect I'll be posted. If actually posted, am I correct in assuming that the CF will pay the packing/moving expenses (IE move me through a civi moving company)? I realise that a similar question was asked in this very thread, but the replies seemed to address a member moving to their first unit posting once trade qualified. I don't know if that makes a difference, but better safe than sorry.

Regarding storage, is there any kind of storage capacity on base for my effects? I don't have that much but it's enough that I'd require storage. If there's storage on base, is it free? If not, how much per month would it be? If there's no storage on base, does anyone know of a company out there that provides storage (preferably the cheapest, but beggars can't be choosers)?

Thanks.

 

[mover1]

Whether the CF will pay for your move is really up to your career manager. I have seen pilots get posted for a year because of training and I have seen people procede to Borden for a year have theirs paid for. THe biggest factor would be if you have a family or not (don't take this as gospel ask your OR to be sure)
Once the funding comes through then you will be entitled to your move. If you have a bedroom full of stuff and mom and dad are keeping it for you, then yes we will have a moving company pick up your stuff and deliver it to shacks for you. 
If you have an appartment full of stuff or its in storage already we will make arrangements to have a civvi company pick it up for you. BUT and this is a big but....
BUt      if you are entiled to have your F&E (furniture and effects) stored at government cost (up to your career manager and it will say on your posting or course message) Then we will have a civvi company sent to your home have it packed and stored (for a limited amount of time ie after your course or until your posted to your permanent unit) at the moving company unitl you are able to receive it.
If you have it moved and are not entitled to having it stored by thec crown then you are able to make negotiations with the moving company themselves to have them store it in there locations. Other than that look in the yellow pages to find a storageplace for your goods.


The best place to start is your orderley room to tellyou exactlywhat your entitled to.

To dispell a few myths. Moving companies DO NOT rent your furniture out. We inspect their wharehouses every year. If a freind or a buddy has a freind of a freind who had this happen I would be the first one to call BS on the matter.

Have a happy move ;D

 

[Glorified Ape]

Ahhh, thanks alot for the clarification.

 

[Jason]

Hello,

I have a few questions.

I want to join, but have a wife and three kids. My wife doesn't like the idea of moving all the time.

Could someone please give me some indication of how often a regular force infantry or armoured soldier is required to move?

Also, if I applied to armoured, what are my chances of serving in Petawawa? So she would stay close to her family - which is an issue.

Trying to decide what I'd like to apply for - infantry or armoured is kind of difficult for me. On one hand I'm totally interested in armoured vehicles and the idea of being a part of a crew and learning all of the skills associated with that role, and on the other hand I love hiking, camping, climbing, being pushed to my physical limits and think that infantry might be great as well. Can I ask, in armoured, do you get the chance to do similar training as in the infantry? If I went armoured would I get the best of both worlds?

My last question, for today, is in regards to the security clearance. (I've read a lot of threads here about the security clearance and haven't read anything specific to this.) Six years ago I lived overseas. I know I didn't break any laws, so know I'm cool there. But I don't know about credit. When I left it was right after a relationship breakup, so I pretty much bought my ticket and flew home. Thinking back I don't know if I cancelled all of my utilities, car insurance etc. I might not of - probably didn't. I was young and at the time it was a kind of, well then #@*%! you, I'm outa' here! Is that going to mess up my clearance?

You know, aside from my clearance and convincing my wife, I think I'd be a sure in. I'm in great health, physically and mentally fit (go to the gym and practice martial arts) have grade 12 with high marks, have held management positions and have a good computer background.

What do you think?

Looking forward to your replies,
Jason

 

[aesop081]

1) If you dont want to move, dont join.

2) We have regular armor units in Edmonton, Valcartier, Petawawa and gagetown.  You do the math as to where you MAY get posted.

3) If your wife has a problem with that you can do one of 2 things : Tell her to suck it up , or , Look for a new wife  ;D

4) At the recruting level you do whats called an "Enhanced reliability check.  Not a "security clearance. I point this out to you before Kincanucks delivers you a lethal blow to the head.

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[orange.paint]

If your worried about being posted away from the ottawa valley,long peroids away from home.Moving every couple years is a normal thing in the army.Armoured you will be posted to edmonton LDSH(RC) or RCD petawawa or 12 RBC valcartier.If you dont speak french you most likely (not guarenteed though) will not be going to P.Q. However even if you ask for petawawa you will go where the army needs you.

Time to sit down with the ball and chain and explain te LARGE amounts of time you will be spending away from home.Between exercises (could be 2-12 wks) work up training for tour 6-9 months and tour it self 6-9 months,your kids seem to get older everytime you walk out the door.

If you have a rocky relationship,a wife who is not willing to scarfice her life for you to follow your dream (my wife gave up a very good job in ontario to follow my dumb ass around) maybe look elsewhere.This is not an easy lifestyle on solid relationships without problems.Throw in a surprise posting away from her family (as you said was an issue) and large problems arise.

Maybe the reserves may offer you the challenge you are looking for,flexable training and ability to remain in a certain area.I believe it's GGFG infantry in ottawa and some air defence.Any reserve member could clarify for you.

 

[Pauluz]

Hi Guys,

I just got merrit listed for my trade of choice (AVN Tech) and Im currently waiting for my BMQ! Im really excited to be on this trade but I'm still not really sure what will happen after BMQ. Will they send me straight to Borden/CFSATE immediately after BMQ?  For those who just finished school in Borden, what's it like in there? Will they permit me to visit my family in Ottawa once in a while?  After training in Borden, which wing would I most likely be posted?  Thanks in advance...

 

[Franko]

Congrats on getting the trade that you wanted.

Try the following threads:

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/52883.0.html

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/53831.0.html

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/18690.0.html

Also try the search function....there are lots of topics already covered on AVN Tech and Borden, along with what postings are availiable as well.

Regards

 

[M14]

I have a friend that went AVN Tech.  He said the course was pretty chill.  If your course doesn't start right away you may have to wait around in PAT (persons awaiting training) platoon, that may not be a good time.

 

[Pauluz]

thanks for the answers. ive read the other posts regarding AVN Tech and at least i kinda know how it works now. nevertheless i feel very excited to start this trade yet still have a feeling of uncertainty. i guess i will never know till im there.  ;D

 

[Pauluz]

what do people in PAT do anyways? do they at least get posted in a wing/work with airplanes or do they do other stuff for the DND?

 

[George Wallace]

what do people in PAT do anyways? do they at least get posted in a wing/work with airplanes or do they do other stuff for the DND?

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Good Luck...

Well, for a serious answer. The Mod is right. if the rules for people  weren't enforced then there would be a lot of redundant posts. That would get really annoying and actually cause a lot of flaming. Not fun...

What you want to do is go to BMQ with an open mind. Once you make it through BMQ keep your open mind. Go to your school, with the open mind. Once you receive your orders/directions, you may then carry them out/ask questions. Until then no one can really tell you what to expect as it is different  for all.

 

[Sparkplugs]

After BMQ I got sent straight to Borden.  I spent 3.5 months on PAT platoon.  Once in awhile, we got to shovel snow, or move furniture, but most of the time was spent playing cards and watching movies in a canteen.  Trust me, that sounds fun after BMQ, but it wears off really quick. 

The AVN course is in the process of being shortened right now, so instead of 18 months, you may only be a year here.  3 or 4 months on PAT platoon is an average wait time.  You will start on Common Core, which is a 2.5 month course that all of the aviation 500-series trades (AVN, AVS, ACS) have to take.  It's the basic and general knowledge you'll need.  Stuff like flightline safety, flight theory, tool control, etc.  Then you'll go onto BEET, that's your basic electronic training.  It used to be a couple months, but now it's down to 15 days.  Then you'll go onto your actual trades course. 

And be ready to go to Cold Lake or Bagotville, because for now, that's the only places they're sending new techs. 

The classes are 16 people right now, but they are set to go up to 20 soon.  It's pretty crazy out here right now, there are people everywhere, and the mess gets wicked bad to try and eat in.  PT is also getting super crowded. 

You will get most weekends off, unless you screw up inspection.  We have a drill/combat inspection every tuesday in Dyte Hall, and a DEU or combat room inspection every friday.  They can get pretty picky, it feels a lot like basic every friday morning.  But yes, you can go out of town, and visit whoever you want to. 

I am in common core right now, with 2 weeks left.  If you need any more info, let me know.

edited for spelling.

 

[belka]

Then you'll go onto BEET, that's your basic electronic training.  It used to be a couple months, but now it's down to 15 days.[/qoute]

15 days?? You're telling me I spent 3 months on NIDA for nothing.  :rage:



[qoute]
You will get most weekends off, unless you screw up inspection.  We have a drill/combat inspection every tuesday in Dyte Hall, and a DEU or combat room inspection every friday.  They can get pretty picky, it feels a lot like basic every friday morning. 

Great, just what the school needs, more inspections and retarded rules to piss off the students. Good thing I graduated just when sh*t really started to hit the fan.

 

[airiedd]

Something tells me (maybe experience) that the school is not doing inspections with 'pissing off students' as the end goal.  There are alot of people on PAT, with alot of time on their hands and a standard is in place that needs to be enforced...one of the many hazards of signing that pesky line on the contract.  As for the original question, the service is what you make of it, in BMQ, trades training and the rest of your career...you can expect exactly what you put in to it.  There will be times of frantic activity with lots of challenges, and others that are not so exciting, or challenging.  Good luck! 

 

[aesop081]

Great, just what the school needs, more inspections and retarded rules to piss off the students. Good thing I graduated just when sh*t really started to hit the fan.

Wouldnt want you to think you are in the military or anything.........

:crybaby:

 

[Sparkplugs]

I'll tell you why we get the extra inspections.  A few months back, in October sometime, somebody defecated in the bathtub in a barracks building.  This was not a singular offense, and it's not the only thing.  The rooms have been pigsties.  The garbage cans have been full, no one bothers to dust, and there are piles of dirt beside garbage cans when someone was too lazy to go get a dustpan.  This is why they've bumped up our inspections to twice a week, and until people smarten up, it will stay that way.  It's not to piss us off, it's to punish us all for not making sure the team is prepared.  One man down, we all go down.  So be it, we all signed the contract. 

 

[belka]

Wouldnt want you to think you are in the military or anything.........

:crybaby:

no, we don't want that, now do we.