Medical Officer Training Plan (MOTP) [MERGED]

[medicineman]

MOTP exists - you have to have completed first year usually before accepted.

Most docs end up doing their military training at the end of their residencies in Family Med.

Signing bonus for trained docs - can't be sure if they're still doing it.

Uniform - purple MOSID so doesn't really matter much.  As for "tops getting choice", I wish there was a talking out of the arse smiley here.  You deal with your career manager to sort out where you're going and it's by need and by dartboard hits.

Usually you can be a major in about 4 years - unless you get a clinical major's slot or another residency, you're pushing paper.  Generally, specialties available are public health, general and orthopaedic surgery, anaesthesia, internal medicine, and psychiatry.  You can take the flight surgeon or diving medicine courses as well - they sometimes can lead to a US residency program in aerospace or undersea medicine.

The residency positions are hard to get into usually.

Hope that helps.

MM

 

[Gunner98]

A couple of great resource that answers many of your questions:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/health-sante/rec/phys-med/msfmr-emrmf-eng.asp
and
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dgcb-dgras/pub/cbi-dra/205-eng.asp  paragraph 205.525 for eligibility and Table D for amounts.

 

[Snakedoc]

I was wondering if somebody could post on this thread with some more updated information.  Having read CBI 205.525, I understand what recruiting allowance amounts were previously in effect as of April 2012.  However, I also see that according to the article below recruiting allowances have been eliminated for "medical officers, lawyers, meteorological technicians, communication specialists and aerospace control operators" with the article dated July 2012.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/07/03/ns-dnd-signing-bonuses.html

Does anyone know if the changes to the recruiting allowances are only affecting DEO schemes or does this also affect training plans like MOTP as well?  For example, if someone joins MOTP in the 4th year of medical school or first year of residency, are they still currently entitled to the signing bonuses that were previously in effect for CBI 205.525 or have these been eliminated as well?

 

[MedCorps]

Currently there are no recruiting bonuses for Medical Officers on any entry scheme.

Although we are still actively recruiting, we are now in a much healthier human resources position for medical officers than we were when we needed to have recruiting bonuses. 

MC

 

[123Medical]

Hi,

My name is Sam I am a Canadian citizen and hope to join the CF and become a Medical Officer. The only question I have is: is mandatory I graduate from a Canadian Medical School?

I have been accepted into a 6 year medical program at NUI Galway, Ireland (accredited med. school) and intend to write the MCCEE. What are my chances if i apply for the MOTP?

Thank you
Have a great day

 

[123Medical]

Hi,

My name is Sam I am a Canadian citizen and hope to join the CF and become a Medical Officer. The only question I have is: is mandatory I graduate from a Canadian Medical School?

I have been accepted into a 6 year medical program at NUI Galway, Ireland (accredited med. school) and intend to write the MCCEE. What are my chances if i apply for the MOTP?

Thank you
Have a great day

 

[Shamrock]

Hi Sam!  Perhaps this thread can be of some help to you?

 

[Shamrock]

Hi Sam!  Perhaps this thread can be of some help to you?

Sorry Shamrock, but I merged his 2 threads. :-*

 

[CombatDoc]

Sam,

Congratulations on being accepted into medical school.  Since it is in Ireland, though, I suspect that your chance of acceptance into the MOTP is very remote.  The number of MOTP positions available is not very high to begin with since the CF is nearly up to strength in Medical Officers.  Check with your Recruiting Office as they should be able to advise you on MOTP.  Good luck with your medical education.

 

[123Medical]

Thank you CombatDoc I'll call my recruiter and talk to him about my chances.
&& Thank you for the link Shamrock, but its not working. Would you mind re-posting it?

Have a great day

 

[Shamrock]

Thank you CombatDoc I'll call my recruiter and talk to him about my chances.
&& Thank you for the link Shamrock, but its not working. Would you mind re-posting it?

Have a great day

They were links back and forth between your two threads. The site frowns upon cross-posting, so I thought I'd try for a bit of fun before the mods came in.

 

[CF-Hopeful13]

Hi:
I am thinking about enlisting and have a few questions, specifically regarding the Medical Officer Training Program. First off, approximately how long before graduating gr. 12 should I apply to CF? (I am hoping to attend Dalhousie, if that makes a difference). Also, I really want to be in the army. I don't know why, but I just can't see myself in the Navy or AF. Is the application process for the MOTP going into the army generally very competitive? Really, is the application process for the MOTP very competitive in general? I know forces.ca says that application can be very competitive for certain jobs, but it doesn't list any examples. Thanks in advance for any help you guys may be able to supply.

 

[CombatDoc]

If you're still in high school, you are a long way off from being eligible for MOTP.  First, finish high school.  Then, start a university program that leads to a Bachelor's program while preparing to apply to medical school.  Once you've been accepted to medical school, THEN consider MOTP if a) you want to do Family Medicine when you graduate and b) you are still interested in the military.  Is application to medical school competitive?  Yes. Is application to MOTP competitive?  Yes.  I would be more concerned about getting into medical school at your stage of life.

In terms of wearing an Army/Navy/AF uniform, you can request a certain environment which you may or may not get, depending on quotas.

All this to say that you have a journey ahead.  Good luck.

 

[CF-Hopeful13]

Hi:
Thanks so much for your clarification. Judging by your extensive knowledge, I'm going to assume that you are an MO, and I have just one more question. My 1st choice university offers " undergraduate medical education." Is this considered a Bachelor's program or a medical school program? If it is a med school program, what would you recommend I do my Bachelor's in to best prepare me for preclerkship and clerkship years?

 

[CF-Hopeful13]

After a little digging, I believe I have found the answers to my questions. Thanks anyway.

 

[CF-Hopeful13]

I am set on enlisting as a medical officer, but I am unsure of the best way to go about this. In your guys' opinions, would I be better off getting my B.Sc. and then applying for the MOTP at the same time as med school, or should I complete my MD and go for a direct entry into BMQ and leadership training? Does the CF prefer one to the other?

 

[Teager]

I think this was the best reply you will get from your original thread.

From CombatDoc

If you're still in high school, you are a long way off from being eligible for MOTP.  First, finish high school.  Then, start a university program that leads to a Bachelor's program while preparing to apply to medical school.  Once you've been accepted to medical school, THEN consider MOTP if a) you want to do Family Medicine when you graduate and b) you are still interested in the military.  Is application to medical school competitive?  Yes. Is application to MOTP competitive?  Yes.  I would be more concerned about getting into medical school at your stage of life.

In terms of wearing an Army/Navy/AF uniform, you can request a certain environment which you may or may not get, depending on quotas.

All this to say that you have a journey ahead.  Good luck.[quote/]

 

[CF-Hopeful13]

While the answer CombatDoc gave to my original thread was very helpful and answered the questions I had asked there, I asked very different questions in the two threads. My original questions were more in regard to the application process into MOTP, while the question I asked here was whether to join MOTP or obtain an MD on my own then enlist in CF. Thanks anyway, though.

 

[Teager]

Ok so read the highlighted yellow parts.

From CombatDoc

If you're still in high school, you are a long way off from being eligible for MOTP.  First, finish high school.  Then, start a university program that leads to a Bachelor's program while preparing to apply to medical school.  Once you've been accepted to medical school, THEN consider MOTP if a) you want to do Family Medicine when you graduate and b) you are still interested in the military.  Is application to medical school competitive?  Yes. Is application to MOTP competitive?  Yes.  I would be more concerned about getting into medical school at your stage of life.

In terms of wearing an Army/Navy/AF uniform, you can request a certain environment which you may or may not get, depending on quotas.

All this to say that you have a journey ahead.  Good luck.[quote/]

That answers your question.  Get accepted to medical school first then you can apply to MOTP if you don't want to you can get your MD on your own then enter the CAF that way or don't. Its up to you.

 

[CF-Hopeful13]

I think that we may not be on the same page here. Let me break it down. There are two options for becoming a medical officer in the CF, which I am sure you are already aware of, but to play it safe I'll explain them. First, and I quote, "If you already have a medical degree and an unrestricted license to practice family medicine in a Canadian province or territory, the Canadian Forces may place you directly into the required on-the-job training program following basic training.", this is also known as direct entry. Secondly, "Because this position requires a medical degree, the Canadian Forces will pay successful recruits to complete an Undergraduate Medical Education Program at a Canadian university.", or entering through the MOTP (Medical Officer Training Plan). I wanted to know which held a greater probability of being sucessfully accepted into CF, seeing as medical officer is considered a rather competitive job in terms of the application process.