Lack of discipline?

[Canadian Psyco]

Im in Army cadets, and I notice alot of that kind of stuff going on, alot of immaturity and stupidity at all activities that our corp attends. and the problem I find when I am trying to correct/disapline them, is that out hands are tied when we need to disapline cadets, with CHAP and all, it makes it hard to punish cadets for their actions, all we can do is talk to them, and make them write a letter of apology. like we can't yell at them, make them do pushups, or do pretty much anything that is a true punishment.

 

[armywife/cadetmom]

Im in Army cadets, and I notice alot of that kind of stuff going on, alot of immaturity and stupidity at all activities that our corp attends. and the problem I find when I am trying to correct/disapline them, is that out hands are tied when we need to disapline cadets, with CHAP and all, it makes it hard to punish cadets for their actions, all we can do is talk to them, and make them write a letter of apology. like we can't yell at them, make them do pushups, or do pretty much anything that is a true punishment.

Sure you cant make them do push-ups, or yell at them, but; when i was in 99Lynx 11 years ago, we did have ALOT of drill practice if we made the Squadron look bad, or  we were not permitted to come here to Borden for Gliding the next time out.

 

[rmacqueen]

Sure you cant make them do push-ups, or yell at them, but; when i was in 99Lynx 11 years ago, we did have ALOT of drill practice if we made the Squadron look bad, or  we were not permitted to come here to Borden for Gliding the next time out.

And good senior Cadets and CIC can certainly give them a dressing down instead of allowing the behaviour to continue

 

[Jerkass]

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[paracowboy]

as a CIC officer and a 25 year-old, you should know better than to choose that screen name.
Here's your intro to the site.

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Please don't post in that inflammatory manner again. Welcome to Army.ca.

 

[Infanteer]

the world is full of morons... 

Evidently.  And jerkasses too....

 

[Sig_Des]

I'm sure there are good CIC officers, but I've unfortunately never had the opportunity to deal with any of those.

The worst for me was this summer in Kingston. I was eating dinner at the McD's just off the McNaughton gates (The REME Gates, with a memorial).

Normally, I'll just leave things be when I see cadets doing something they shouldn't or, not doing something they should. Hoping that one of their CIs or CICs will sort them out. This time I couldn't.

A gaggle of cadets were in uniform, walking around with iPods plugged in their ears, goofing off. This I could have let slide. What I couldn't was the fact that cadets, and worse, CICs were walking past through the McNaughton gates, and not saluting the memorial. This really irked me.

I actually waited for the cadets to go by, and pulled aside the CIC who seemed to be in charge, an obviously new CIC 2Lt. I identified myself as a Cpl on course at CFSCE, and let her know that it didn't reflect proper dress and deportment for her cadets to have earphones in while wearing the uniform, and let her know that the gate was a memorial, and it was disrespectful to those REMEs who'd given up their lives by not paying compliments to the memorial.

I heard her telling the cadets to take the earphones out after that, and I'm hoping she saluted the memorial.

Now, she was new, and possibly didn't know about the memorial, but there were 2 other CICs kicking around, one a Captain, and the other who was walking around holding a cadets hand (I'm assuming the CIC was a mother). Both of these seemed like they should know better, and neither saluted the memorial, or seemed to do anything about the cadets deportment. IMO, they should have been acting a bit more professionally.

I'm hoping that in the future, I will see CICs who behave in a more appropriate matter.

 

[Jerkass]

para cowboy i dont know how i posted anything inflamatory.  Just an opionon and thats what fourms are for, A group of people who share their thoughts and opinions.  I could sugar coat things next time if you would prefer

 

[Burrows]

Mr. CIC 2LT,

Your first choice of nickname was HIGHLY inappropriate for anyone, let alone someone who works with members of a youth program.  Saying things like "welcome to society" and such isn't aiding the conversation in a positive manner and is, again, reflecting poorly upon yourself as an officer.  An officer is a gentleman, NOT a rude and arrogant who comes on the internet and acts like an uncouth child.  Your choice of nickname was something I would have expected from a cadet.

Lets address spelling as well.  Here at army.ca we really like it when members use their brains and spell properly and don't make it hard to read.  There is a spell check, there is a caps lock, there is a shift key.  USE THEM.

Forums are for stating your opinion, sharing views, and sharing information.  Forums are NOT for setting a poor example of CIC officers to the rest of the world and acting like an e-toughguy.

The ramp is down.  Shape up or ship out.

Paracowboy - Please don't take offense at what is said, I believe Just a CIC 2LT may be suffering from the problem he so fondly calls "Ex RSM Syndrome."

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

para cowboy i dont know how i posted anything inflamatory.  Just an opionon and thats what fourms are for, A group of people who share their thoughts and opinions.  I could sugar coat things next time if you would prefer

If you think that's all that army.ca is then you have not read through the guidelines nor read through some of the posts to get a feel for this place....

 

[Jerkass]

was a cadet for 2 years about 10 years ago.. never an RSM..

I didnt know this fourm was a place where views are flammed
I dont think anything that I said was out of line at all
as a police officer I deal with and see more things than alot of people ever come in contact with
so dont judge me as an "ex cadet" for using my spare time to give back to the community

I will use spell check if it was a professional letter to my boss
not for a fourm thanks

 

[c.jacob]

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[aesop081]

was a cadet for 2 years about 10 years ago.. never an RSM..

I didnt know this fourm was a place where views are flammed
I dont think anything that I said was out of line at all
as a police officer I deal with and see more things than alot of people ever come in contact with
so dont judge me as an "ex cadet" for using my spare time to give back to the community

I will use spell check if it was a professional letter to my boss
not for a fourm thanks

Silverbach ?

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[Burrows]

was a cadet for 2 years about 10 years ago.. never an RSM..

I didnt know this fourm was a place where views are flammed
I dont think anything that I said was out of line at all
as a police officer I deal with and see more things than alot of people ever come in contact with
so dont judge me as an "ex cadet" for using my spare time to give back to the community

I will use spell check if it was a professional letter to my boss
not for a fourm thanks

Right.  So if you're choosing to violate the terms you agreed to when you created an account I can ban you right?  For a Police Officer you sure don't place much in rules and regulations.

 

[Jerkass]

In a fourm?

 

[George Wallace]

Time for some practice of discipline here.

Time out everyone.

CIC 2LT it would be good advice for you to read these:


MSN and ICQ "short hand" -  http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/33247.0.html

Regarding the use of "MSN speak" versus the employment of prose which is correct in grammar, spelling and punctuation, please see: http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/34015/post-260446.html#msg260446

Army.ca Conduct Guidelines: MUST READ - http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/24937.0.html

FRIENDLY ADVICE TO NEW MEMBERS - http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/24937/post-259412.html#msg259412

Recruiting FAQ - http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/21101.0.html

Infantry FAQ - http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/21131.0.html

Canadian Forces Aptitude Test - http://army.ca/forums/threads/21101/post-103977.html#msg103977

Fitness requirements at enrolment, see page 12 of this brochure:
http://www.recruiting.forces.ca/media/pdf/physical_fitness_en.pdf

Search page - http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?action=search;advanced

Army.ca wiki pages - http://army.ca/wiki/index.php/Main_Page


To summarize. Welcome to Army.ca, start reading.

 

[Burrows]

In a fourm?

Rules are rules.  I'd like to let you know that the DND and DCdts frequently monitor this site and I doubt they would be impressed with your performance.