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Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

Canada says it will look at increasing its defence spending and tacked on 10 more Russian names to an ever growing sanctions list.

By Tonda MacCharles
Ottawa Bureau
Mon., March 7, 2022

Riga, LATVIA—On the 13th day of the brutal Russian bid to claim Ukraine as its own, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is showing up at the Latvian battle group led by Canadian soldiers, waving the Maple Leaf and a vague hint at more money for the military.

Canada has been waving the NATO flag for nearly seven years in Latvia as a bulwark against Russia’s further incursions in Eastern Europe.

Canada stepped up to lead one of NATO’s four battle groups in 2015 — part of the defensive alliance’s display of strength and solidarity with weaker member states after Russia invaded Ukraine and seized the Crimean peninsula in 2014. Trudeau arrived in the Latvian capital late Monday after meetings in the U.K. with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Netherlands Prime Minister Mark Rutte.

Earlier Monday, faced with a seemingly unstoppable war in Ukraine, Trudeau said he will look at increasing Canada’s defence spending. Given world events, he said there are “certainly reflections to have.”

And Canada tacked on 10 more Russian names to an ever-growing sanctions list.

The latest round of sanctions includes names Trudeau said were identified by jailed Russian opposition leader and Putin nemesis Alexei Navalny.

However, on a day when Trudeau cited the new sanctions, and Johnson touted new measures meant to expose Russian property owners in his country, Rutte admitted sanctions are not working.

Yet they all called for more concerted international efforts over the long haul, including more economic measures and more humanitarian aid, with Johnson and Rutte divided over how quickly countries need to get off Russian oil and gas.

The 10 latest names on Canada’s target list do not include Roman Abramovich — a Russian billionaire Navalny has been flagging to Canada since at least 2017. Canada appears to have sanctioned about 20 of the 35 names on Navalny’s list.

The Conservative opposition says the Liberal government is not yet exerting maximum pressure on Putin, and should do more to bolster Canadian Forces, including by finally approving the purchase of fighter jets.

Foreign affairs critic Michael Chong said in an interview that Ottawa must still sanction “additional oligarchs close to President Putin who have significant assets in Canada.”

Abramovich owns more than a quarter of the public shares in steelmaking giant Evraz, which has operations in Alberta and Saskatchewan and has supplied most of the steel for the government-owned Trans Mountain pipeline project.

Evraz’s board of directors also includes two more Russians the U.S. government identified as “oligarchs” in 2019 — Aleksandr Abramov and Aleksandr Frolov — and its Canadian operations have received significant support from the federal government.

That includes at least $27 million in emergency wage subsidies during the pandemic, as well as $7 million through a fund meant to help heavy-polluters reduce emissions that cause climate change, according to the company’s most recent annual report.

In addition to upping defence spending, the Conservatives want NORAD’s early warning system upgraded, naval shipbuilding ramped up and Arctic security bolstered.

In London, Johnson sat down with Trudeau and Rutte at the Northolt airbase. Their morning meetings had a rushed feel, with Johnson starting to usher press out before Trudeau spoke. His office said later that the British PM couldn’t squeeze the full meeting in at 10 Downing Street because Johnson’s “diary” was so busy that day. The three leaders held an afternoon news conference at 10 Downing.

But before that Trudeau met with the Queen, saying she was “insightful” and they had a “useful, for me anyway, conversation about global affairs.”

Trudeau meets with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg Tuesday in Latvia.

The prime minister will also meet with three Baltic leaders, the prime ministers of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, in the Latvian capital of Riga.

The Liberals announced they would increase the 500 Canadian Forces in Latvia by another 460 troops. The Canadians are leading a multinational battle group, one of four that are part of NATO’s deployments in the region.

Another 3,400 Canadians could be deployed to the region in the months to come, on standby for NATO orders.

But Canada’s shipments of lethal aid to Ukraine were slow to come in the view of the Conservatives, and the Ukrainian Canadian community.

And suddenly Western allies are eyeing each other’s defence commitments.

At the Downing Street news conference, Rutte noted the Netherlands will increase its defence budget to close to two per cent of GDP. Germany has led the G7, and doubled its defence budget in the face of Putin’s invasion and threats. Johnson said the U.K. defence spending is about 2.4 per cent and declined to comment on Canada’s defence spending which is 1.4 per cent of GDP.

But Johnson didn’t hold back.

“What we can’t do, post the invasion of Ukraine is assume that we go back to a kind of status quo ante, a kind of new normalization in the way that we did after the … seizure of Crimea and the Donbas area,” Johnson said. “We’ve got to recognize that things have changed and that we need a new focus on security and I think that that is kind of increasingly understood by everybody.”

Trudeau stood by his British and Dutch counterparts and pledged Canada would do more.

He defended his government’s record, saying Ottawa is gradually increasing spending over the next decade by 70 per cent. Then Trudeau admitted more might be necessary.

“We also recognize that context is changing rapidly around the world and we need to make sure that women and men have certainty and our forces have all the equipment necessary to be able to stand strongly as we always have. As members of NATO. We will continue to look at what more we can do.”

The three leaders — Johnson, a conservative and Trudeau and Rutte, progressive liberals — in a joint statement said they “will continue to impose severe costs on Russia.”

Arriving for the news conference from Windsor Castle, Trudeau had to detour to enter Downing Street as loud so-called Freedom Convoy protesters bellowed from outside the gate. They carried signs marked “Tuck Frudeau” and “Free Tamara” (Lich).

Protester Jeff Wyatt who said he has no Canadian ties told the Star he came to stand up for Lich and others who were leading a “peaceful protest” worldwide against government “lies” about COVID-19 and what he called Trudeau’s “tyranny.”

Elsewhere in London, outside the Russian embassy, other protesters and passersby reflected on what they said was real tyranny — the Russian attack on Ukraine. “I think we should be as tough as possible to get this stopped, as tough as possible,” said protester Clive Martinez.
 
You mean something like Chretien saying that they'd scrap the GST and close to 30yrs later they haven't done it?
As I posted earlier in this thread, Trudeau has upwards of $50B in unfunded election promises already, before this grandiose proposal to turn us into a middle power again.
 
My bet is $12 Billion CAD to upgrade NORAD infrastructure over the next 10 years.
 
My bet is $12 Billion CAD to upgrade NORAD infrastructure over the next 10 years.
I was thinking 12 billion over the next 30 years, with 11.9 billion in the last year...

I hope the extra money is for UORs like GBAD, ATGMs, as well as recruiting/retention, and infrastructure.

If things get kinetic for NATO, Canada should have some GBAD, and ATGM capability, even if they aren't the "best". A Spike SR/Starstreak/Stinger/Panzerfaust 3 in the hand is better than a project to buy ATGM/MANPADS in the next 15 years.
 
Because the war in Ukraine will be over by then, or at the very least Canadians will go back to not caring about defence. Leaves more money to buy votes with...
Canada is not alone on this project and if the senior partner says it needs to hurry up then can Canada have much of a choice? Would not doing so have consequences from not helping to ensure US continental defence?
 
Canada is not alone on this project and if the senior partner says it needs to hurry up then can Canada have much of a choice? Would not doing so have consequences from not helping to ensure US continental defence?
We've been pretty bad at holding up our end of the bargain for some time now, why change?

Kidding aside, I suspect there will be big money for NORAD, simply because we have neglected it for so long we can no longer ignore it. Much like recruiting/retention, GBAD, etc..

We could likely spend billions just getting what we have up to speed, without even adding anything new or required. The CAF is dying because of, politics, bad management of our people, and byzantine procurement processes. It's a slow death, but it is inevitable at this stage without intervention.
 
I suppose the part of the money intended to buy weapons for Ukraine is not (relatively) large, but obviously munitions expended by Ukraine or bought to replace the ones already given over don't "add" anything.
 
I suppose the part of the money intended to buy weapons for Ukraine is not (relatively) large, but obviously munitions expended by Ukraine or bought to replace the ones already given over don't "add" anything.
Maybe we can buy the Ukkies 10,000 pistols but only deliver 5,000 and keep the other 5,000 for testing/training purposes here.
 
My guess on $12 Billion CAD over 10 years on NORAD is little more than an guess informed by years of watching Cdn defence spending decisions or lack there of. Its an item that is coming due no matter what but it is a convenient time to announce as it might play well domestically while not mattering internationally really but it can be played as such.
As to it actually solving any of the CAF problems, not really but oh well. Impacting NATO and the increased focus on the Russians not really relevant either but it still counts. So overall win win for the government.
 

House calls for Canada to meet NATO defence spending target on eve of budget​

The motion was carried 303 to 27, with the Conservatives, Liberals, and Bloc Quebecois all voting in favour of it. The NDP and the Green Party’s two MPs voted against it. NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh has long called the target “arbitrary.”


Warm, fuzzy, feel good story with no substance at all. It does call out where the Socialists stand in all this.
 
As I posted earlier in this thread, Trudeau has upwards of $50B in unfunded election promises already, before this grandiose proposal to turn us into a middle power again. a socialist state where we all share the same misery except for JT and his apple polishers.
FTFY
 

House calls for Canada to meet NATO defence spending target on eve of budget​

The motion was carried 303 to 27, with the Conservatives, Liberals, and Bloc Quebecois all voting in favour of it. The NDP and the Green Party’s two MPs voted against it. NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh has long called the target “arbitrary.”


Warm, fuzzy, feel good story with no substance at all. It does call out where the Socialists stand in all this.

Is their irony that votes for equalled 303 ?
 
We've been pretty bad at holding up our end of the bargain for some time now, why change?

Kidding aside, I suspect there will be big money for NORAD, simply because we have neglected it for so long we can no longer ignore it. Much like recruiting/retention, GBAD, etc..

We could likely spend billions just getting what we have up to speed, without even adding anything new or required. The CAF is dying because of, politics, bad management of our people, and byzantine procurement processes. It's a slow death, but it is inevitable at this stage without intervention.
It's not a question of how long we have ignored it, it is an easy hit. Not offensive in nature, not in anyones' backyard, not something that most Canadians think about. Win/Win/Win.
 
It's not a question of how long we have ignored it, it is an easy hit. Not offensive in nature, not in anyones' backyard, not something that most Canadians think about. Win/Win/Win.
And that is the issue - Canada's existence has never been seriously threatened so defense matters don't matter to most Canadians.
 
We've been pretty bad at holding up our end of the bargain for some time now, why change?

Kidding aside, I suspect there will be big money for NORAD, simply because we have neglected it for so long we can no longer ignore it. Much like recruiting/retention, GBAD, etc..

We could likely spend billions just getting what we have up to speed, without even adding anything new or required. The CAF is dying because of, politics, bad management of our people, and byzantine procurement processes. It's a slow death, but it is inevitable at this stage without intervention.
If the Canadian public requires to be educated on why the CAF is so dilapidated, can't meet its NATO commitments, etc and why it should instead be a high priority why do we not see that in the media? (Just to be clear I am in the high priority camp) All these retired generals and all retired members should be making a forceful push for change at every opportunity through whatever media is available. It's the way it's done by any group pushing their agenda. (I mention retired members as I imagine current serving members are muzzled.)
I know more about the plight of a seal pup, what it means to be "woke" or how I'm killing the planet with my gas powered tools because that's what is fed to me. I guess those groups have a better marketing department.
 
If the Canadian public requires to be educated on why the CAF is so dilapidated, can't meet its NATO commitments, etc and why it should instead be a high priority why do we not see that in the media? (Just to be clear I am in the high priority camp) All these retired generals and all retired members should be making a forceful push for change at every opportunity through whatever media is available. It's the way it's done by any group pushing their agenda. (I mention retired members as I imagine current serving members are muzzled.)
I know more about the plight of a seal pup, what it means to be "woke" or how I'm killing the planet with my gas powered tools because that's what is fed to me. I guess those groups have a better marketing department.
The media doesn’t care.
Current, serving military officers can’t (won’t?) openly speak about the current dire situation because they worry about the repercussions to their careers.
What the US should do is kick us to the curb and force us to shoulder our true burdens, this may wake up the public.
 
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