Hamas invaded Israel 2023 Megathread

[brihard]

It's an 'overtime for all' week for the Old Bill... all the synagogues are being attended too, as are the big sporting events...

Oh, no doubt. Police can scale up relatively easily for a time by the simple expedient of haemorrhaging overtime. Courts, not so much.

 

[Kirkhill]

Reallly!!!?

Arabs co-operated with Israel in Gaza.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/10/11/us-israel-arab-military-leaked-docum

 

[Kirkhill]

OK.

This is a Canadian focused observation referencing the protests.

Our liberalism is being exploited by our enemies.

In times gone by liberal society has acted illiberally to defend liberalism. In fact I argue that liberal enlightenment could not have happened without the illiberal Glorious Revolution of 1688 and the many illiberal impositions associated with it.

This site is populated by people that at various times have been licenced to act in the most illiberal way possible. Using your government issued gun while in uniform to take someone's life is a decidedly illiberal act.

....

All of this is to say that I think it is time, and past time, to act illiberally and assert governmental authority over seditious acts and individuals.

Sedition is clearly understood. Public disorder is clearly understood. Past time for giving benefit of the doubt.

Clear the streets.

 

[OldSolduer]

Clear the streets.

Water cannon, OC Spray and some ringleaders arrests and subsequent deportation if applicable.

Shit rats are not welcome - but those "liberal" types think otherwise.

 

[brihard]

All of this is to say that I think it is time, and past time, to act illiberally and assert governmental authority over seditious acts and individuals.

Sedition is clearly understood. Public disorder is clearly understood. Past time for giving benefit of the doubt.

Clear the streets.

Um, I must have missed it, but where is it that you contend we have protests teaching or advocating the use of unlawful force to overthrow our government?

 

[lenaitch]

OK.

This is a Canadian focused observation referencing the protests.

Our liberalism is being exploited by our enemies.

In times gone by liberal society has acted illiberally to defend liberalism. In fact I argue that liberal enlightenment could not have happened without the illiberal Glorious Revolution of 1688 and the many illiberal impositions associated with it.

This site is populated by people that at various times have been licenced to act in the most illiberal way possible. Using your government issued gun while in uniform to take someone's life is a decidedly illiberal act.

....

All of this is to say that I think it is time, and past time, to act illiberally and assert governmental authority over seditious acts and individuals.

Sedition is clearly understood. Public disorder is clearly understood. Past time for giving benefit of the doubt.

Clear the streets.

If you feel that law enforcement can use deadly force simply to stop "illiberal" acts you are misunderstanding the law.

Define 'public disorder". Should police be able to gun down students at the Queen's homecoming?

 

[Kirkhill]

Um, I must have missed it, but where is it that you contend we have protests teaching or advocating the use of unlawful force to overthrow our government?

I think chanting "Death to Canada" crosses my line.

 

[Kirkhill]

If you feel that law enforcement can use deadly force simply to stop "illiberal" acts you are misunderstanding the law.

Define 'public disorder". Should police be able to gun down students at the Queen's homecoming?

I think that we are overly nice in our concerns about ensuring that we maintain liberal values. The fact that Canada has an army and that its police are armed suggests to me that Canada recognizes a need to be able to act illiberally and to make a judgement that deprives an individual of life. Depriving people of liberty is also illiberal.

We have systems in place to manage those illiberal actions and to justify them but their existence suggests a continued recognition of their need.

My concern is that we spend so much time in debate that the period of inaction is exploited by those that do not wish us well.

Do I advocate turning guns on people for their words? No. Absolutely not.

For damage to property? No.

Assault? No.

I do think that law breakers like that should be forcefully confronted in a timely manner, and be seen to be forcefully confronted, and deprived of their liberty.

And if they are not Canadians returned to their point of origin and previous predicament.

 

[brihard]

I think chanting "Death to Canada" crosses my line.

That does not come remotely close to the legal definition of sedition in the Criminal Code. Shitty? Yes. But simply expressing that is not on its own illegal. Not even close. It could be evidence of a political or ideological motive if it were in conjunction with serious criminal/violent acts. Depending on circumstances that may or may not be legally significant.

 

[Quirky]

So, here's Trump's plan. It overall sounds good however I think points 9 and 10 might be where the friction will come from and possibly where the whole thing will fall apart.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/29/trump-israel-gaza-hamas-peace-plan.html

Trump's plan has successfully brought back all the living hostages, everything that happens beyond this point is a bonus.

I can see the IDF fighting again before the end of the year, now with no hostages to worry about, they'll be less.....diplomatic.

 

[Kirkhill]

That does not come remotely close to the legal definition of sedition in the Criminal Code. Shitty? Yes. But simply expressing that is not on its own illegal. Not even close. It could be evidence of a political or ideological motive if it were in conjunction with serious criminal/violent acts. Depending on circumstances that may or may not be legally significant.

Keep debating the temperature of the water in our pot.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Um, I must have missed it, but where is it that you contend we have protests teaching or advocating the use of unlawful force to overthrow our government?

I think the Solidarity for Palestinian Human Rights (SPHR) at McGill might fit. They were advertising a “youth summer program” with images of young people holding rifles.

“We pledge to educate the youth of montreal and redefine McGill’s ‘elite’ (institutional) legacy by (transforming) its space into one of revolutionary education,” notes the post, which is accompanied by an image of men wearing keffiyehs and clutching machine-guns.

“The daily schedule will include physical activity, Arabic language instruction, cultural crafts, political discussions, historical and revolutionary lessons,”

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Trump's plan has successfully brought back all the living hostages, everything that happens beyond this point is a bonus.

I can see the IDF fighting again before the end of the year, now with no hostages to worry about, they'll be less.....diplomatic.

I give Trump credit for saying something simple; "Release them or we will completely destroy everything". That is the sort of messaging even violent terrorists like Hamas can understand. Yes they will try to exploit every chink in the situation, but this game ain't over yet. Hamas still has to step down in a realistic fashion and that is not likley to happen. I expect the war to flash up again in 2 months time. With the IDF rested and busy collecting intel.

 

[brihard]

Keep debating the temperature of the water in our pot.

You said “sedition is clearly understood”, in the context of urging ‘illiberal acts’ by Canadian law enforcement. Those acts of course, to be legitimate and legal, would have to be taken in the valid enforcement of actual laws. You then showed that, in the context of our country’s actual laws, you don’t really understand the term at all.

If you want to argue for criminalizing expressing “death to Canada”, go nuts. Just don’t act like it’s something it’s not. Expecting us to go and ‘clear the streets’ and kick people out of Canada for things that are shitty but not criminal would put us in the wrong side of the laws that authorize us to do those things. No thank you.

 

[OldSolduer]

I think the Solidarity for Palestinian Human Rights (SPHR) at McGill might fit. They were advertising a “youth summer program” with images of young people holding rifles.

“We pledge to educate the youth of montreal and redefine McGill’s ‘elite’ (institutional) legacy by (transforming) its space into one of revolutionary education,” notes the post, which is accompanied by an image of men wearing keffiyehs and clutching machine-guns.

“The daily schedule will include physical activity, Arabic language instruction, cultural crafts, political discussions, historical and revolutionary lessons,”

McGill has, in my mind, crossed the line that separates an institution of higher learning from an indoctrination camp that appears to be jihadist in nature.

A far cry from the McGill that in 1915 had several hundred men volunteer for service with the PPCLI in the Great War.

Percival Molson and other "University Men" are rolling in their graves.

 

[Kirkhill]

You said “sedition is clearly understood”, in the context of urging ‘illiberal acts’ by Canadian law enforcement. Those acts of course, to be legitimate and legal, would have to be taken in the valid enforcement of actual laws. You then showed that, in the context of our country’s actual laws, you don’t really understand the term at all.

If you want to argue for criminalizing expressing “death to Canada”, go nuts. Just don’t act like it’s something it’s not. Expecting us to go and ‘clear the streets’ and kick people out of Canada for things that are shitty but not criminal would put us in the wrong side of the laws that authorize us to do those things. No thank you.

And thus I argue for parliamentary supremacy.

 

[HavokFour]

Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Bahrain seem to be having some reservations.

Saudi warning: 'Qatar will bring Hamas back'

Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Bahrain are worried about the major role given to Qatar in President Donald Trump’s plan for Middle East

www.israelhayom.com

 

[OldSolduer]

Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Bahrain seem to be having some reservations.

Saudi warning: 'Qatar will bring Hamas back'

Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Bahrain are worried about the major role given to Qatar in President Donald Trump’s plan for Middle East

www.israelhayom.com

This is only a respite for Hamas and Qatar. How long I don't know BUT you can bet on it that they will try again.

BTW how is Iran doing these days?