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Former Base near Orleans, Ottawa?

KerryBlue

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So I have a few coworkers telling me that the land where the RCMP Technical and Protective Operations Facility sits now, near Orleans used to be a training area for the military, particularly armoured. You can see on the land a one of those large water tanks which tanks would drive through, and a hill climb, at least that's what my coworkers tell me. I have been doing lots of searching but cannot find much if anything about any DND base near Orleans. I was hoping that someone on here might know a thing or two about this.


Cheers
 
KerryBlue said:
So I have a few coworkers telling me that the land where the RCMP Technical and Protective Operations Facility sits now, near Orleans used to be a training area for the military, particularly armoured. You can see on the land a one of those large water tanks which tanks would drive through, and a hill climb, at least that's what my coworkers tell me. I have been doing lots of searching but cannot find much if anything about any DND base near Orleans. I was hoping that someone on here might know a thing or two about this.


Cheers

It was not a Training Area.  It was a Testing Site.  It was known as:  Land Engineering Test Establishment (LETE).
 
George Wallace said:
It was not a Training Area.  It was a Testing Site.  It was known as:  Land Engineering Test Establishment (LETE).

Ah thank you very much George.
 
George Wallace said:
It was not a Training Area.  It was a Testing Site.  It was known as:  Land Engineering Test Establishment (LETE).

Peter Worthington's opinion (based on historical facts of public record) on how LETE met its end...

Not all Canadian inventions fly... (article).

While not exactly a Canadian innovation, Canada’s adoption in 1994 of the LSVW (Light Support Vehicle Wheeled) to replace the army’s 5/4 truck is one of those things DND would like to forget.

Canada was in line to buy 2,879 of these trucks from Western Star, based in Kelowna, B.C. The LSVW was an Italian-designed truck and relatively cheap. The vehicle went to the military’s Land Engineering Test Establishment (LETE) before Canada committed itself to the purchase.

LETE was one of the more valuable assets of DND, where imagination and innovation saved countless expenses. For example, LETE devised armoured floor plates for APCs that protected crews against land mines in the Balkans.

As for the LSVWs, they failed virtually all of LETE’s tests. For what it’s worth, I went to the LETE testing area in Orleans, near Ottawa, and attended some of the testing. The vehicle was top heavy, under-powered (115 horsepower), capable of only 40 km/h, its braking system was unreliable, access to the engine was difficult, but most of all it would not start in sub-zero weather. In other words, it verged on being a lemon.

Non-experts like myself wondered why Canada would buy an Italian-designed truck, when next door in the U.S., General Motors was producing the most effective and inexpensive army trucks in the world? The answer, of course, was to give the contract to a Kelowna firm, perhaps because the Conservative government wanted votes in B.C.

On the heels of LETE’s devastating critique and rejection of the LSVW as an adequate truck for the Canadian army, in 1994 the Chretien government shut down LETE, killed it, and new testing for the LSVW was shifted to the Nevada Automotive Testing Centre (NATC) in the U.S. where the vehicle passed with flying colours and was incorporated into the Canadian army.
 
Mer Bleue (~7 km S of Orleans) was used as a bombing range by RCAF during WWII
 
AJFitzpatrick said:
Mer Bleue (~7 km S of Orleans) was used as a bombing range by RCAF during WWII

I had no idea of this! I live right around that area, interesting  ;D
 
AJFitzpatrick said:
Mer Bleue (~7 km S of Orleans) was used as a bombing range by RCAF during WWII

Correct.  A close acquaintance of mine searching on a rumour, found the remains of a Staghound in the Mer Bleue marshes.  Perhaps the area, now a protected area visited by scientists from around the world is protected for other than scientific reasons..... :camo:
 
George Wallace said:
. . . .  Perhaps the area, now a protected area visited by scientists from around the world is protected for other than scientific reasons.....

From the Ottawa Citizen 6 Feb 84
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2194&dat=19840206&id=O6QyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=N-8FAAAAIBAJ&pg=1252,2827343&hl=en
During the war the Royal Canadian Air Force used the bog as a practice range, with the small islands in the middle of the swamp as targets.  The bombs that didn't go off are still there.

"Do Not Enter" signs will be posted around the isolated central portion of the swamp, which covers about one-third of the 6,000 acre bog, east of Ottawa and north of Carlsbad Springs.

The red-and-white warning signs will be placed at the perimeter of the former bombing range at all access points.

DND's UXO Program
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/business-unexploded-ordnance/uxo-sites.page
ON899-091 Mer Bleue ON Confirmed

However there is no mention of prior use as a bombing range or potential (however slight) of UXO in the NCC's promotional material.
http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/places-to-visit/greenbelt/mer-bleue
http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/sites/default/files/pubs/NCC-Mer-Bleue-Bog-Special-Place.pdf
 
George Wallace said:
It was not a Training Area.  It was a Testing Site.  It was known as:  Land Engineering Test Establishment (LETE).

33 CBG uses the site occasionally for training as well as still used for testing veh and other "devices" by DND and defence/security contractors as well as advance police training.
 
PanaEng said:
33 CBG uses the site occasionally for training as well as still used for testing veh and other "devices" by DND and defence/security contractors as well as advance police training.

That does not make it any more a "Training Area" than any other location, unless you want to consider the whole 'world' as a "Training Area".  After all, it is not unknown for the CAF to train in "Civvieland" or the RMA, or whatever other name you would like to put to it.  LETE was a scientific testing facility, not really a "Training Area".  33 CBG conducts training inside of the old NDMC.  Do you consider that a "Training Area"?
 
George Wallace said:
That does not make it any more a "Training Area" than any other location, unless you want to consider the whole 'world' as a "Training Area".  After all, it is not unknown for the CAF to train in "Civvieland" or the RMA, or whatever other name you would like to put to it.  LETE was a scientific testing facility, not really a "Training Area".  33 CBG conducts training inside of the old NDMC.  Do you consider that a "Training Area"?
Of course; anywhere you train is a training area ;-)

BTW, where did I say it was a training area? I was just stating that it was still used for training and testing.
me thinks someone has missed their nap...  (all in jest of course)
:cheers:
 
The "training area" reverts back to the original question of "if there was a training area" in Orleans, and coupled with your statement that 33 CBG trains there on occassion......alluding to it being a "training area".
 
George Wallace said:
The "training area" reverts back to the original question of "if there was a training area" in Orleans, and coupled with your statement that 33 CBG trains there on occassion......alluding to it being a "training area".

Omfg let it go....

https://youtu.be/L0MK7qz13bU
 
George Wallace said:
Omfg.....Some people take things so seriously.....Really!

Yea I have noticed that as well.
 
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