Fighting Back
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Honestly, posting this does help me out, I also find this site helpful with lots of good info / advice. I spoke to my Sgt about this and we had a good conversation about this. He knows its an up hill battle and there have been many discussions on this at the WO/MWO level. Apparently its a weekly topic at my unit. However, finding the right course of action is a bit difficult given the fact it needs to be addressed one on one with these people.
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NoMoreGames, you have obviously been under some kind of rock these past few years. That has got to be one of the most disgusting things that I have had the misfortune of reading in a very long time. It is that kind of twisted thinking which is the cause of a lot of our heartburn over the past few years. You manner of thought is prehistoric and has no place in our military. I swear that the CDS came out last year and spoke about our problems with mental health issues and the stigma attached to being diagnosed with an OSI. Were you serving at that time or do you just disregard the thoughts of your superiors? Your reference to individuals who seek out medical attention as “MIR Commandos” and “sick, lame and lazy” was typical of past thought and is why we have had a number of individuals who would rather suffer in silence than come forward. It wasn’t acceptable then and it is still unacceptable today. Are you a medical professional capable of diagnosing someone as a fake? Somehow I doubt it so you should learn to trust the professionals who examine an individual and award medical employment limitations if they feel it is warranted. If you really have concerns than by all means take it to your CO. But I would suggest you walk in prepared to back up what you say with hard facts as opposed to your opinion that only you are perfect.
If I may offer some advice, learn to treat individuals with the dignity and respect that they are due and stop worrying about what others are doing and focus on your own deficiencies. Some day you may end up being a supervisor and you may find out what it is like to actually care for the individuals who serve under you. As for your complaint that you have to pick up the slack when others are ill, that goes with the job you have chosen. If you have really had enough as you say than you always have the option to release and be free of all of the rotten individuals who have set you up for failure.
Final thought, if you are really keen to fix this apparent problem, I would invite you to send an email to the CDS and/or CFCWO and tell them what you think. Just remember that you will not be able to hide behind a “guest” login.
If I may offer some advice, learn to treat individuals with the dignity and respect that they are due and stop worrying about what others are doing and focus on your own deficiencies. Some day you may end up being a supervisor and you may find out what it is like to actually care for the individuals who serve under you. As for your complaint that you have to pick up the slack when others are ill, that goes with the job you have chosen. If you have really had enough as you say than you always have the option to release and be free of all of the rotten individuals who have set you up for failure.
Final thought, if you are really keen to fix this apparent problem, I would invite you to send an email to the CDS and/or CFCWO and tell them what you think. Just remember that you will not be able to hide behind a “guest” login.
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Capt Caveman said:
Kinda like calling him out behind a guest login....
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Capt Caveman said:
It's all fine, but when the injury gets in the way of work performance to a point where the individual is cannot be fully employed in his/her normal duties, perhaps it is time to consider other avenues such as COT, release or temporarily send them to a unit where they will be able to accomplish other, more adapted tasks to their injury.
There is a limited amount of PY lines in a unit. If someone that is less than productive occupies one of those lines, it takes away from the unit's effectiveness. Normally this is not something satisfactory in the eyes of the CoC therefore, people pick up the slack.
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Concur. However, being an armchair quarterback and referring to members as MIR Commando and/or sick, lame and lazy is not acceptable. There is an entire process that occurs when someone becomes ill or injured and it works when given a chance. But it takes time as it should because we want to afford the member the opportunity to return to full duty if possible or at least be stabilized before being released. As for the loss of PYs, I am not sure which unit you are with but I am fairly certain that a posting to an IPSC is always an option for the CO. Finding a replacement is the tough part but that is a DMilC issue. Of course, I believe that if you treat individuals with dignity and respect you will likely find that they more motivated to work through some of the tough times.
One final note, the CDS has already recognized this very issue a couple of months ago when he made it clear that the CAF cannot afford to continue to hold individuals who are unlikely to return to full duty. My guess is that universality of service will be pushed again and we will see quicker releases like we did in the late 90's. So it has been recognized and it will be actioned in the near future. But it will be done in a procedurally fair manner...not because their peers thinks they should be released immediately because they have to pull extra weight to achieve the aim.
One final note, the CDS has already recognized this very issue a couple of months ago when he made it clear that the CAF cannot afford to continue to hold individuals who are unlikely to return to full duty. My guess is that universality of service will be pushed again and we will see quicker releases like we did in the late 90's. So it has been recognized and it will be actioned in the near future. But it will be done in a procedurally fair manner...not because their peers thinks they should be released immediately because they have to pull extra weight to achieve the aim.
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Not trying to be an "arm chair" doctor or any kind of specialist, but I do not see how looking at facebook all day at work is going to help you be a better technician or sailor or soldier. All opportunity is given to them, to engage their skills where ever they feel most comfortable. Yet, find something to complain about. So its back to facebook they go, or MIR cause you asked them to work, regardless of how simple or difficult the job was. Its the ones that are abusing the system that are issue. People who truly need help are not the problem, they need time and treatment to get back on their feet and I'll give all the support they need. However, when I hear someone bragging about how they got 2 days off work for using the "mental stress" line. That really gets to me. These are the same people who try to get off of the Remembrance Day Parade cause their DEUs don't fit. That pissed me off the most.
I have always treated people with kindness and respect, but, there are those who will see that as a sign of weakness and try to exploit it. Some people stay in Forces cause they know it takes an act of god to kick them out. They enjoy the pay and benefits, but its like moving a mountain just to get them to answer the phone or file some paper work.
As far as me being a "guest", Im a long time viewer and decided to finally sign up. Not sure how to get rid of the "guest" label.
I have always treated people with kindness and respect, but, there are those who will see that as a sign of weakness and try to exploit it. Some people stay in Forces cause they know it takes an act of god to kick them out. They enjoy the pay and benefits, but its like moving a mountain just to get them to answer the phone or file some paper work.
As far as me being a "guest", Im a long time viewer and decided to finally sign up. Not sure how to get rid of the "guest" label.
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