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Deconstructing "Progressive " thought

As we can see, empirical evidence is never a consideration when arguing "for" state run schools. Since schools are the key point of indoctrination, there is every incentive for advocates of socialism and stateism to maintian control in every way possible:

http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2008/03/homeschoolers-i.html

Homeschoolers in trouble

Listening to Rush Limbaugh the other day, a woman called in to tell him that, as everyone should know, homeschooled children outperform not just government-schooled children, but their private-schooled counterparts as well.

Nothing about that struck me as surprising--after all, homeschooling has all the incentives and ingredients for success. Parents have, in general, the right attitude or disposition toward their children (they sincerely care  for their children), that attitude or disposition means they have the right motivation to ensure their children's success (to care for x is to be attuned to the welfare of x, and to be disposed to act in ways that benefit the cared-for object*), and they are sensitive to, and have particular knowledge about, their children's peculiarities and special needs in a way that no civil servant is (they have what Hayek called local knowledge--not general knowledge that might be called "scientific," but specialized knowledge about particular circumstances and details**).

What did strike me as surprising was what she said next: homeschooled children in jurisdictions with fewer regulations outperform homeschooled children in jurisdictions with more regulations. Of course, we'll have to look this up, and my google-ing skills were not up to snuff for this purpose. But this general claim does not matter for our purposes--what matters, given the latest blow to home schooling in California--is whether or not parents with a teaching certificate, or training in a government-approved teaching college, are better able to teach their children than parents without such training.

And I can confidently announce that no, they don't. Parents without "formal" education training do just as well as their "formally"-trained counterparts.

Given this, it's just a waste of money, time, and energy for parents to have to get trained in teaching at state-approved teaching centres. Nevertheless, a judge in California recently ruled that parents must get certified in order to do what parents have done for hundreds of years--teach their own children. Judge Walter H. Crosky wrote, in his ruling, that, "California courts have held that under provisions in the Education Code, parents do not have a constitutional right to home school their children." He also wrote that parents who educate their own children without state credentials will be subject to criminal action. They'll be locked up, even if their kids are better-educated, more knowledgeable, and better-adjusted than their peers.

Thankfully, the Governator has stepped up: "Every California child deserves a quality education and parents should have the right to decide what's best for their children," Schwarzenegger said in a statement. He continued, "Parents should not be penalized for acting in the best interests of their children's education. This outrageous ruling must be overturned by the courts and if the courts don't protect parents' rights then, as elected officials, we will."

Good for him. He's got empirical evidence on his side, and the arguments against homeschooling are not "arguments," they're bugaboos.

Let me just add one more bugaboo to the list: Homeschooled children have social skills that are either at the same level, or superior to, their government- and privately-educated peers. "Really?" Yes, really. "But they don't get the benefits of gov-run schools! Like being tossed in the garbage can for being smart, or getting incessantly bullied for reading books that are not assigned, or be mercilessly accosted for being too fat, too thin, insufficiently athletic, or cool. And how do they get their fashion sense if not from the brutalities of the hallways-cum-runways that is the modern-day highschool? In short, how do they get that all-important sense of what it means to be cool and hip and trendy?" ... Uhm, good point. You're right, homeschooled kids won't learn what it is like to be mauled for being or wanting to be smart. And it will remain a mystery as to how homeschooled children will ever learn to tell the difference between genuine and fake Coach handbags. Chalk one up for the government. Because when it comes to bullies, beauties, and brutalities, nothing compares to the inner-city government-run school.

So why the opposition to homeschooling, and why the constant insistence on regulations that have no--absolutely no--grounding in empirical fact? Why insist that parents get what amounts to a totally useless piece of government paper that lets everyone know they are gov-approved educators? The answer is neat and simple: government schools are protecting their market share, and the bureaucrats with pencils are protecting their jobs.

* Often, we use "care" in the sense of "not being indifferent." But caring has a deeper and more significant possible analysis--to care for or about x is to be disposed to a) have certain emotional reactions on the basis of judgments about whether x is doing better or worse and b) act in ways that we believe will benefit the cared-for object. And all of this we do for the sake of the cared-for object, rather than for some other reason. With respect to a), we are attuned to the up-and-down fortunes of x in such a way that, when we judge that things go well for x, then things go well for us, and when we judge that things go poorly for x, things go poorly for us. For more on this analysis of caring, see David Shoemaker's remarkable paper "Caring, Identification, and Agency" in Ethics, or pick up Harry Frankfurt's "The Importance of What we Care About."

**"...a little reflection will show that there is beyond question a body of very important but unorganized knowledge which cannot possibly be called scientific in the sense of knowledge of general rules: the knowledge of the particular circumstances of time and place. It is with respect to this that practically every individual has some advantage over all others because he possesses unique information of which beneficial use might be made, but of which use can be made only if the decisions depending on it are left to him or are made with his active cooperation."
 
Senator Obama's wife lays it all out for us to see. I wonder how many people are really listening:

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/017003.php

The Coming Obama 'Theocracy'

People mocked Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney for their religious backgrounds often during the presidential campaigns, but at least they never claimed to be on a mission to save the souls of Americans through government action. Oh, people accused them of wanting to do so -- to impose Southern Baptist or Mormon theology on an America that wants relentless secularism, but in point of fact both men gave stirring speeches on how their faith informs them personally but not their governance.

One campaign really has explicitly claimed to be on such a mission, however. Michelle Obama gave a speech at UCLA earlier this month in which she told supporters that her husband was the only man who could fix American souls -- if we elect him President first. Here's the transcript:

    In 2008, we are still a nation that is too divided. We live in isolation, and because of that isolation, we fear one another. We don't know our neighbors, we don't talk, we believe our pain is our own. We don't realize that the struggles and challenges of all of us are the same. We are too isolated. And we are still a nation that is still too cynical. We look at it as "them" and "they" as opposed to "us". We don't engage because we are still too cynical. ...

    Americans are not in debt because they live frivolously but because someone got sick. Even with insurance, the deductibles and the premiums are so high that people are still putting medications and treatments on credit cards. And they can't get out from under. I could go on and on, but this is how we're living, people, in 2008.

    And things have gotten progressively worse throughout my lifetime, through Democratic and Republican administrations, it hasn't gotten better for regular folks. ....

    We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another -- that we cannot measure the greatness of our society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure our greatness by the least of these. That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the only person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation.


It's hard to know where to start in with this speech. First, what evidence does Mrs. Obama have that the largest part of credit card debt goes to health care? Second, if she has seen the standard of living get progressively worse during her lifetime, she needs new glasses. The living standard of even those classified as poor now have per-person expenditures of the American middle-class of the early 1970s, according to the Census Bureau. Eighty percent of the poor live in air-conditioned housing, 43% of them own their own homes, and the average poor American has as much living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, and Athens. Only 3% don't own a color TV.

But it's the notion that only Barack Obama can save our souls that is the most offensive part of the speech, by far. Government doesn't exist to save souls; it exists to ensure domestic tranquility and provide for the common defense. If I feel my soul needs saving, the very last place I'd look (in the US) for a savior would be Washington DC or Capitol Hill. I'll trust God and Jesus Christ with my soul, and I'm not going to mistake Barack Obama for either one.

This, though, is the religion of statism distilled to its essence. Only a government can rescue people from the consequences of their own decisions. Only government programs can provide for your every need, and only government can use your money wisely enough to ensure that your needs get covered. Individuals cannot possibly manage to help their neighbors through their churches or community organizations, let alone encourage people to do for themselves.

And all you need to enter the statist Utopia is to sell your soul. So that it can be fixed.

No, thank you.

UPDATE: Ron at Liberal Values implies that I'm a hypocrite. Ron's a good guy, but he's wrong. People rely on their values to formulate policy, and religious values are just as legitimate as others for that purpose. People who claim to know the status of my soul and promise that they can fix it through government intervention -- on either side of the aisle -- explicitly have crossed a line, not to mention exhibited arrogance in diagnosing the status of my soul.

Michelle Malkin responds:

    When Republicans talk about broken souls in the context of civil society, the nutroots start screaming about the obliteration of the church-state line.

    When the Obama campaign uses the same rhetoric to get him elected to the White House, everyone swoons.

I'd rather both just stick to policy, and let me worry about the status of my soul.

Posted by Ed Morrissey on February 16, 2008 9:09 AM
 
The truth hurts.

Form Celestial Junk: http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2008/03/progressive-cowards-of-first-order.html

14 March 2008
Progressive Cowards of the First Order

Here's the deal with "progressives", and one of the reasons I mock their politics.

"Progressives" like to claim ... and I emphasize "claim", that they are for the little guy, for the dispossessed, for the downtrodden and above all, for freedom. They rally to the cry of "equality" like rats rally to a carcass, and they boast in the most condescending tones about their belief in the equality of all humankind.

Yet, in practice, "progressives" are likely the most duplicitous political class to have dirtied politics in a long time. While they rale against those who oppose "gay marriage", nary a word of protest emits from their lips when Iran murders homosexuals ... some very young. While they invent victim class after victim class from thin air, hardly a mutter of complaint oozes from their scribes in defense of the oppressed women and girls who live under Islam (about 800 million). While the Taliban rape and murder their way through Afghanistan and Pakistan, "progressive" sit silently by, but the "progressives" moaning is more than one can bear, when Talbin captives are so much as frowned at by our troops. "Progressives" hoot and holler about the "illegal" war in Iraq and fill the ranks of peace marches ... yet they beg and plead that we invade Sudan while rejecting the UN sanctioned mission in Afghanistan.

We could go on, but the pattern is always the same. "Progressives" are always for the wars we aren't in. They're always for troops that will never be sent, but decry the troops that are sent. And, most shameful of all ... as long as "progressives" don't have to sacrifice or take risk to themselves, they are all mighty freedom fighters. BUT ... as soon as they might actually have to risk of themselves to protect the truly downtrodden or freedom, "progressives" are nowhere to be found.

What is perhaps most indefensible of all, is that the "progressive" class is actually willing to trample on human rights in order to avoid "icky" situations. No other modern phenomenon demonstrates this more than the vacant proclivity of "progressives" to defend ... yes, actually defend, Muslim human rights abuses.

For example, in Holland, where "progressives" have had the keys since the Second World War, the country's elite are willing to twist themselves into intellectual pretzles trying to justify the supression of free speech on the alter of fear.

I'll say it again ... the alter of "FEAR!"

Dutch "progressives" are so afraid of Mulsim anger, that they will supress the speech of their own citizens in order create the illusion of peace. They are actually willing to bully and shun their own, in order to keep the bully at bay:



Geert Wilders, the Dutch politician who is making a 10-minute movie about Islam
entitled Fitna (Arabic for “ordeal”), has felt compelled to cancel the March 28 press conference where he intended to show his film. The Nieuwspoort press center in The Hague, which is run by a board of journalists, publishers and government press officers, demanded that Wilders pay 400,000 euros for extra safety measures. “Apparently, you have to be a millionaire to organize such an event,” Mr Wilders said. “Even if I had the money I am not going to spend it on a press conference.”

No Dutch broadcaster, public or private, has been willing to show the film. There are indications that Fitna will also be banned on Youtube, which removed a clip featuring Mr Wilders two week ago, on so-called “ethical grounds”.


So, here's the skinny on "progressives". They are all talk ... but little more. Sure, they stomp and pout when facing the terrifying likes of the "neo-cons" or those indescribably cruel "right wing Christians", or, heaven forbid, the rightwing bloggers. But, rattle a real saber ... threaten to bomb them ... threaten to march and burn .. and they'll evaporate just as fast as the vapors from the steaming guano their philosophy is made of.
 
Great article from Robert Fulford

Article Link


For me the money quote is this "Is it possible, Hayden asks himself, that Marxism and nationalism won the war but capitalism and nationalism won the peace? Are "the supposedly scientific models of history long embraced by the left being replaced with a kind of chaos theory of unpredictability? Is this all that was ever possible?" "

I have to disagree with Mr. Fulford's closing sentence: "He (Hayden) made his trip, he writes, because "I wanted to understand the long-term lessons." Considered in that light, his journey was a failure."  I would say that Tom Hayden is starting to show signs of understanding.

Ordnung ist nie.




What happened to the revolution?
Vietnam is getting rich. For Tom Hayden and other 1960s-era Marxists, that's bad news

Robert Fulford, National Post 
Published: Saturday, March 15, 2008


Why aren't the Vietnamese more grateful to Tom Hayden? Recently, he returned for the first time in 36 years to the country that he and his then-wife Jane Fonda tried to save from American domination in the Vietnam war. The trip disappointed him. As he writes in the March 10 issue of The Nation, Vietnam has turned capitalist. Was that what he fought for? Absolutely not. He remains capitalism's enemy, still the same lefty who helped found 1960s student radicalism.

This week, another celebrated American liberal, playwright David Mamet, declared that he's abandoned the ideology he shared with Hayden. Mamet, never gentle, broke this news where it would hurt most --in the pages of New York's Village Voice, a weekly that hasn't carried a right-wing article since it was founded in the 1950s.

Under the heading "Why I Am No Longer a 'Brain-Dead Liberal,'" Mamet denounced every one of the principles that give American liberals their sense of righteousness.

He's abandoned his hatred for corporations, which he now considers merely "the flip side of my hunger for those goods and services they provide and without which we could not live." This comes as a surprise from the author of Glengarry Glen Ross, the play and movie depicting a repulsive business atmosphere. And the role of government? He once considered it fundamentally good but now he's "hard-pressed to see an instance where the intervention of the government led to much beyond sorrow."

He's decided that America is not a schoolroom teaching values but a market-place. He now puts John F. Kennedy on the same moral plane as George W. Bush. And when he listens to the standard liberalism of National Public Radio he mutters that its initials actually stand for National Palestinian Radio (he defended Israel in his last book, The Wicked Son: Anti-Semitism, Self-hatred, and the Jews).

Mamet has decided that free-market thinking meshes better with his experience than liberalism. He even reads conservative thinkers. He names Milton Friedman, Paul Johnson and Shelby Steele, and confers the title "our greatest contemporary philosopher" on Thomas Sowell, an economist always ignored by liberals. (Black skin makes Sowell hard to attack, particularly when he brings severe logic to racial questions, so the left prefers to pretend he doesn't exist.)

It may seem odd that a much-admired writer makes such a noise about the banal fact that he thinks the society he's always lived in is grounded in sound principles and operates reasonably well. But in his milieu, that opinion remains big news.

Successful artists favour capitalism in practice but not in theory. For this they have their own special approach to reality. They accept capitalism's money and buy its products, but prefer not to be reminded that it's essential to the richness of their lives. They pretend, in fact, that they oppose it. Readers of a typical leftist newspaper (such as Now, the Toronto giveaway weekly for the young and the cool) appear to believe they've hooked up with capitalism only until something better comes along.
 
More on how they think:

http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=402197

A convenient untruth

Global warming gives the preferences of the left, such as for local produce over fast food, historical importance

Andrew Potter,  Financial Post  Published: Thursday, March 27, 2008

One of the most disturbing aspects of the growing concern over climate change is the giddy delight with which some members of the left await the coming global catastrophe. Of course they don't admit to being delighted. Instead, they claim to be extremely upset about the prospect of melting ice caps, rising sea levels, drought, flooding, crop failure, species extinction and so on. But let's be honest, listening to a global warming hysteric rhyme off the terrible and inevitable consequences of driving to work or buying a Big Mac is to hear someone in the rapture of a geo-pornographic fantasy.

Let us call these people "declinists," and their animating philosophy "declinism." What motivates declinism is an attitude so pessimistic that it is almost theological: not only are things worse than they used to be, but they're getting worse with every passing year. Furthermore, the declinist believes that the various strategies that are usually proposed for making things better--the promotion of liberal democracy, technological development and economic growth--cannot be the solution to our problems, since they are actually the cause. That is, it is the principles that underwrite modernity itself that are the problem. As the declinist sees it, the rights-based politics of liberal individualism, combined with the free-market economy, have served to undermine local attachments and communitarian feelings, leading us to seek meaning in shallow consumerism and mindless entertainments.

That is why climate change is the ultimate declinist wet dream. Sure, there is a long tradition of declinist hobby horses, including overpopulation, the exhaustion of natural resources and the industrial poisoning of the land and the sea, but climate change is the rug that pulls the whole room together. From cars and consumerism to mass travel, fast food and inexpensive lighting, declinism gathers up everything the left dislikes about contemporary society and puts it all in the dock facing the same charge: it is causing the planet to heat up. Thanks then to the imagined horrors of climate change, declinism transforms what is essentially an aesthetic preference for live entertainment over television, locally grown produce over fast food and the ability to walk to work instead of commuting in a car into a lifestyle choice of world-historical importance.

The way the logic of it works out, the declinist wins no matter what happens. We either adopt more energy-efficient, lowimpact, "human scale" lifestyles, or the atmosphere will heat up, the economy will collapse and we'll be forcibly thrown back into a subsistence economy. Fate, as the great Canadian pessimist George Grant once wrote, leads the willing and drives the unwilling, and we're headed for a 12th-century economy whether we like it or not. It's a future that the high priest of declinism, James Howard Kunstler (author of The Geography of Nowhere and The Long Emergency), can hardly wait for. While he spent his entire career fighting a losing intellectual battle against the car culture of suburbia, global warming has given him renewed faith in the ability of humanity to destroy itself through consumption. As he wrote recently, "Let the gloating begin."

There is no point in arguing with declinism, because it is not a set of empirical propositions but an ideology. Over the past 100 years, life got steadily better by almost any conceivable measure. Life expectancy rose while infant mortality dropped; the air quality of our cities improved, our food got cheaper and more nutritious, and the workplace became safer as wages steadily climbed. If you have any question as to the arrow of progress, ask yourself one question: Given a choice, when would you rather have been born, 1900 or 2000?

Declinism is both a sin and a betrayal. It is a sin because it displays an utter lack of faith in humanity, believing that we will inevitably abuse the gifts of freedom, knowledge and power and become the agents of our own destruction. It is a betrayal of modernity and of the liberal ideals that have breathed life and hope into human progress for the past four hundred years. In its resentment of modernity, the declinist left finds itself in agreement with a broad spectrum of Islamofascists, evangelical nuts and tin-foil-hat anarchists, who equally fear the globalized future and pray for a return to a glorious but thoroughly imaginary past. If it takes a global catastrophe to get us there, so much the better.

They say that politics makes for strange bedfellows. But when it comes to the politics of declinism, the sleeping arrangements are positively perverted.

--- - Andrew Potter is a columnist with Maclean's and a frequent contributor to This Magazine, where this article first appeared.

Copyright © 2007 CanWest Interactive, a division of CanWest MediaWorks Publications, Inc.. All rights reserved.
 
Comparing religion with the religion of secularism:

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=415294&p=2

Magdi Allam rejected Islam and atheism
Michael Coren, National Post  Published: Wednesday, April 02, 2008

ROME -The remarkable Indian Christian philosopher Ravi Zacharias tells a compelling story of his encounter with a white, liberal American academic who had embraced Buddhism. The professor criticized Ravi for his Christianity: "It's Western and as such is obsessed with single truth," he explained. "I, on the other hand, have embraced an Eastern code and believe in simultaneous truths." Ravi responded: "So what you're really saying is that it's either my Christian way of single truth or your approach of Eastern, simultaneous truth? Either one or the other." A long pause. "Oh I see," from the fatuous prof. "Yes, the Christian, Western approach does seem to emerge."

Yes, it does seem to emerge. In other words, truth is exclusive. If it's black it's not white, if it's right it's not wrong and if it's true it's not false. And most religions and ideologies claim exclusive truth, thus by inevitable consequence implying that alternative religions and ideologies are untrue. Which leads us to Pope Benedict's baptism of Italian journalist and former Muslim Magdi Allam this Easter.
The facts are really quite simple. Allam is a friend of the Pope's and is a prominent figure in Italian culture. It would have been surprising if the Holy Father hadn't personally initiated the man into the Church. In Rome the people who made Allam's conversion an international issue were less Catholic commentators than Islamic critics, who wrote and broadcast repeatedly that people should stop repeatedly writing and broadcasting about the episode.

The hypocrisy is so obvious as to be positively banal. In most of the Muslim world a convert to Christianity would possibly be killed and certainly face myriad varieties of persecution. The evidence is legion and the examples blood-stained. In countries such as Egypt and Pakistan even cradle-Christians face appalling discrimination and violence. In Saudi Arabia it is illegal to possess a Christian Bible or crucifix.

Aref Ali Nayed, one of a group of 200 Muslim scholars who claim to be intent on establishing a new, open relationship with Christianity, condemned the Pope's behaviour as "a triumphalist tool for scoring points." The group in question tends to say very little about, for example, suicide bombings, forced conversion of Christians to Islam in Sudan or Turkey's closing of a Catholic seminary. But is extremely upset that the Pope has behaved as, well, the Pope.

It's a spurious, disingenuous critique. Theological dialogue may have been a Muslim tendency 800 years ago but nobody seriously believes that religious pluralism is a regarded concept in contemporary Islam. The denial and double-talk is sickening. Allam had been under police protection long before his conversion because of his staunch critique of violent Islamic fundamentalism. Death threats have increased since his embrace of Christianity and all that allegedly moderate Muslims are saying is that if there is going to be a conversion, for goodness sake keep it quiet.

But why? This is not about changing a shirt but transforming a life. According to Christian belief, Magdi Allam has begun a journey that will lead to eternal life. He has found not interesting opinion but absolute truth. Jesus didn't say "I may be" but "I am" The Way. The only way. The Catholic Church is far more accepting than many Protestants in the way it views the salvational possibilities of non-Catholic goodness; but it still teaches that the only guaranteed way of meeting God is through the Sacramental structure of a church founded by Christ.
This notion of exclusive truth, however, is not just a problem for Muslims but for secularists as well, what with their fetish for ostensible tolerance. Modern liberalism has not merely abandoned certain commandments but replaced those it has expunged with a set of its own. The most important of which is toleration. I tolerate therefore I am. It's nonsense of course, in that it is self-contradictory by nature -- the tolerant cannot tolerate intolerance and are thus no longer tolerant -- but it's also a grand, great lie. Human rights commissions, student unions and leftist activists remind us every day of the authentic meaning of genuine intolerance.

Yet it still plays to the core of secular thinking. The standard argument, taught in universities and passively accepted in popular dialogue, is that because religion believes that it has the truth it is not broad-minded and broad-mindedness is an indication of sophistication and urbanity.

Magdi Allam said yes this Easter. Yes to a truth and no to its rivals. No to Islam, no to atheism. Which has made many Muslims and just as many of their relativist, secular allies extremely angry. An Easter present slightly more important than a chocolate egg or even a teaching course on why nothing really matters.

www.michaelcoren.com - Michael Coren is a writer and broadcaster.
 
While neither the "Left" or the "Right" are monolithic entities, the "Left" has a disproportionate influence over us. About 2/3 of Canadian voters support left wing parties like the Liberals, NDP, Bloc and Green party; most of our electronic and print media comes through a "progressive" filter, discussions in schools and higher education are heavily bent to the left (How many schools are showing students "The Great Global Warming Swindle" either alone or after "An Inconveinient Truth"? Now how many schools plan to show students "An Inconveinient Truth" only?). Most of the Judiciary has been appointed by politicians who come from the Left side of the political spectrum, and I could go on.

The Liberal Party is actually right of centre. They merely disguise their business oriented policies with social window dressing that they know will not affect the real economic statues quo one bit. And why shouldn't the left have more influence over us? I'm not talking brainless, "the universe will provide" left, I'm talking the rational "progression is good" left. The problem with the "right" is it wants to regress, not progress. Now clearly many developments in Canada are for the worse, but how do you pick and choose? There was a time when the "crazy lefties" thought women should have the vote, and the "rational right" thought that it would lead to anarchy. As for pop culture, while it may appear to be part of the giant left wing conspiracy (all those homosexuals on TV!!!), who do you think owns all of the media outlets? Big business. Those guys sure as shit aren't raving hippies. The point is, for business and government the only ideology is capitalism. That's why they'll give gays the right to marry, and make all sorts of noises about a progressive society when they actually don't care as long as all the right wingers AND the left wingers continue to consume.

As for your second point, why would anyone show the "Great Global Warming Swindle?" If there was a serious debate on global warming, then yes, by all means show it. But there isn't. Many of the scientists now actively doubting global warming actually supported big tobacco in the 1990s, claiming that cigarettes didn't cause cancer. Most, if not all serious scientists acknowledge that man-made climate change is occurring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

I didn't know that the American Institute of Physics was a politically motivated "left wing" organization.  Another surprise, the Royal Meteorological Society is with the lefties too! This is a debate no longer. It's scientific fact. Just because FOX News can dig up a well paid scientist claiming that nothing is wrong, doesn't mean nothing is wrong.
 
"Group rights" are completely arbitrary, and with a little semantics, even genocide can be waved away......

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/JonahGoldberg/2008/04/09/the_genocide_loophole?page=full&comments=true

The Genocide Loophole
By Jonah Goldberg
Wednesday, April 9, 2008

Last week, Russia's lower house of parliament passed a resolution insisting that Josef Stalin's man-made 1932-33 famine - called the Holodomor in Ukrainian - wasn't genocide.

Not even the Russians dispute that the Soviet government deliberately starved millions. But the Russian resolution indignantly states: "There is no historical proof that the famine was organized along ethnic lines." It notes that victims included "different peoples and nationalities living largely in agricultural areas of the country."

Translation: We didn't kill millions of farmers because they were Ukrainians; we killed millions of Ukrainians because they were farmers.

And that's all it takes to be acquitted of genocide.

The United Nations defines genocide as the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." Left out of this definition are "modern" political labels for people: the poor, religious people, the middle class, etc.

The oversight was deliberate.
The word "genocide" was coined by a Polish Jew, Raphael Lemkin, who was responding to Winston Churchill's 1941 lament that "we are in the presence of a crime without a name." Lemkin, a champion of human rights who lost 49 relatives in the Holocaust, gave it a name a few years later. But to get the U.N. to recognize genocide as a specific crime, he made compromises.

Pressured by the Soviets, Lemkin supported excluding efforts to murder "political" groups from the U.N.'s 1948 resolution on genocide. Under the more narrow official definition, it's genocide to try to wipe out Roma (formerly known as Gypsies), but it's not necessarily genocide to liquidate, say, people without permanent addresses. You can't slaughter "Catholics," but you can wipe out "religious people" and dodge the genocide charge.

Political scientist Gerard Alexander decries that type of absurdity as "Enlightenment bias." Reviewing Samantha Power's moving 2003 book, "A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide," Alexander observed that this bias leaves the greatest mass murderers of the 20th century - self-described Marxist-Leninists - somewhat off the hook.

In Power's book, the most influential writing on genocide in a generation, she scolds - often justly - the U.S. for not doing more to stop systematized slaughter. But by focusing so narrowly on the U.N.-style definition of genocide, she implicitly upholds a moral hierarchy of evil, which in effect renders mass murder a second-tier crime if it's done in the name of social progress, modernization or other Enlightenment ideals.

This is dangerous thinking; people perceived to be blocking progress - farmers, aristocrats, reactionaries - can be more forgivably slaughtered than ethnic groups because they're allegedly part of the problem, not the solution. After all, you've got to break some eggs to make an omelet.

For many, the Soviets and the Red Chinese elude the genocide charge because Communists were omelet-makers. Ukrainian kulaks, or independent farmers, opposed Stalin's plan for collectivization, so they were murdered for that "greater good."

Today, Mao and Stalin aren't in Hitler's class of evil because Hitler wasn't a "modernizer," he was a racist. Note how the Russians have no problem copping to the charge of mass murder but recoil at suggestions it was racially motivated.

It's a wrongheaded distinction. Murder is murder, whether the motive is bigotry or the pursuit of allegedly enlightened social planning.

It's also a false distinction. Racial genocide is often rationalized as a form of progress by those responsible. Under the Holodomor, Ukrainian culture was systematically erased by the Russian Soviets, who saw it as expendable. No doubt the Sudanese janjaweed in Darfur and the Chinese People's Liberation Army in Tibet believe they are "modernizers," too.

Or consider the ultimate racially motivated genocide, the Holocaust. Gotz Aly and Susanne Heim demonstrate in their brilliant book, "Architects of Annihilation: Auschwitz and the Logic of Destruction," that the Final Solution, particularly in Lemkin's own Poland, was perceived by the young economists overseeing it as a "modernizing project that would transform society."

In Germany, the effort to crush Jewry was intertwined with the effort to nationalize the economy and eliminate small and independent businesses. For German social engineers, the Jews were convenient guinea pigs for their economic experiments. The first test cases were not the Jews but the mentally ill, who were classified as an economic liability - "useless bread-gobblers" - in Germany's 1936 Four-Year Plan of economic modernization.

The climate of anti-Semitism made the Holocaust possible, but so did Enlightenment bias, which holds that almost anything can be justified in the name of progress.

I doubt such distinctions would have been of much comfort to Lemkin's 49 relatives.

Jonah Goldberg is editor-at-large of National Review Online.
 
Kilo_302 said:
The problem with the "right" is it wants to regress, not progress.

That narrow view made anything else you wrote forgettable.

As for your second point, why would anyone show the "Great Global Warming Swindle?" If there was a serious debate on global warming, then yes, by all means show it. But there isn't. Many of the scientists now actively doubting global warming actually supported big tobacco in the 1990s, claiming that cigarettes didn't cause cancer. Most, if not all serious scientists acknowledge that man-made climate change is occurring.

Proof please, other than wikpedia of course. Because I smell bullshit in that line. ::)
 
Notice the problem is self induced, but the implication is someone else needs to "take care of the problem" (i.e. you and I bail tham out).

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/008538.html

"It's Not Fair" And Other Important Rules Of Economics
"Trapped" in the spiral of easy debt... 

Tanya Talaga
Social Justice Reporter

Several years ago, Mary and Don Oxley were living the good life. They earned $100,000 a year between them and bought a modest house in Brampton.

  Don became disabled from a severe sciatic nerve condition in 2004. The Oxleys, who have a 16-year-old son, experienced a rapid drop in income, relying on Mary's $38,000-a-year pay as an office sales support worker and Don's $1,000 monthly disability cheque.

They quickly racked up credit-card debt, taking out cash advances to make their monthly mortgage payments. At one point the debt on their cards reached $30,000. A couple of times they refinanced their mortgage, which ballooned to $180,000.

"It hasn't been the best of times," says Don, 48, sitting in their family room, his canes resting beside him.

"You just barely live," adds Mary, 44.

For a lot of working Canadians, "just barely" living is getting harder to do without spiralling into debt. Some get trapped in unforeseen circumstances, while others borrow beyond their means – because they can.

Like everyone else, low-paid, cash-strapped earners are constantly being tempted by consumer goods and lured by the promise of easy money. Access to financing or credit has never been easier.

From rent-to-own plasma TVs, PCs and used cars, pre-approved credit cards that come in the mail, and lines of credit available to low-income earners at the drop of a hat, not to mention the payday lenders at almost every strip mall, it is easy for the working poor to access cash to buy the latest consumer craze or pay the monthly mortgage.

Bad credit rating? Divorced? Single? New immigrant to Canada? Visa student? No problem. You can go on the Internet and find a variety of companies willing to lend cash instantly, no questions asked.

But being poor is costly. Prices for products and services soar when you rely on lenders that charge high interest rates, which can run from 30 per cent on department store credit cards and rent-to-own company leases to 60 per cent plus fees with payday lenders.

The Vanier Institute for the Family released a study last year that examined the assets and debts of Canada's 15 million households. They found that, based on Statistics Canada figures, the poorest 20 per cent, approximately 2.6 million households, had a net worth of $34 billion but their debts totalled $40 billion.

"This is the only group where the debt is bigger than the (net) value of the assets," says Roger Sauvé, a consultant who prepared the report.


Meanwhile, the richest 20 per cent had debts worth $186 billion but held net assets worth $3.5 trillion. The StatsCan figures also showed the poorest 20 per cent were more likely to have vehicle and student loans and credit card debt than any other group.

Though some provinces, including Ontario, are moving to rein in payday-lending firms with fee caps to protect low-income borrowers, the subprime lending and leasing business is booming. Rent-to-own companies, which are not subject to the same regulations that control payday lenders, are also exploding across North America. One Canadian company, easyhome Ltd., operates more than 200 stores in 10 provinces and is expanding into the United States. It rents out everything from sofa sets to big-screen TVs to home-theatre systems, laptops, digital cameras and pay-as-you-go cellphones.

"All you need is a place to live, a few friends and a source of income," says an ad by easyhome where a sofa and loveseat might rent for $19 a week.

Marion Callow, 59, leased a sofa and loveseat from easyhome. She says she signed up to lease the furniture for more than two years. Less than a year and about $700 into her payments, she noticed a flyer from another store selling a similar couch for $999 and got easyhome to take the furniture back.

Callow said she went to easyhome because it requires no credit. She could also get the furniture the next day. "They've got nice furniture but boy, do they charge," says Callow, who is on disability and lives in subsidized housing in North York. "It's not fair. I'm on a fixed income."

President and CEO David Ingram believes the company provides a valuable service to all sorts of people in various stages of their lives – post-secondary students, those in need of short-term rentals and real-estate agents staging houses. Many customers are blue-collar workers, he adds.

Easyhome's annual interest rate is 29 per cent. If you lease a sofa for $16 a week, the 29-per-cent interest payment is rolled into the price, he explains in an interview.

Ingram says easyhome is different from payday lenders because customers can end the lease at any time, and unlike some payday lenders the company does not charge the equivalent of (once fees are factored in) three-digit interest rates. Easyhome does not contribute to the growing problems of debt since there is no upfront cost, people do not need to borrow money to buy the items and instead are able to rent the products for long as they want, he says. "We give consumers complete control and help them avoid further debt, rather than add to it," Ingram says.

TIM TRIANTAFILLOU, director of resource development at Family Services of Peel, says his concern is that our consumer-oriented society thinks nothing of aggressively promoting debt.

"(Society) sells debt and complicated contracts," he says. "People get sucked into low-interest credit cards and easy access."

His agency served a total of 10,722 people in 2006-2007 – nearly 2,000 of whom received credit counselling.

He recalls one immigrant couple who were enticed into leasing a Lexus SUV and became swamped with payments. "There is always someone there to take advantage of the vulnerable, marginal and new." A growing problem, Triantafillou notes, is clients with intellectual disabilities who rely on Ontario Works or Ontario Disability Support Program payments and receive free credit cards in the mail.

"Somehow their names get on the mailing lists, they'd call the activation number and they'd have a credit card. Or, they'll get a cellphone because they think it's about integration and status. But what are they really getting? Debt."

ABOUT 3.4 MILLION Canadians live in poverty – in Ontario, 1.3 million people, of whom 345,000 are children – based on StatsCan's after-tax low-income cut-off (in 2004, $16,853 for a single person in Toronto and $31,865 for a family of four).

Household income has traditionally been used as an unofficial measure of poverty, but more countries are moving toward also defining poverty by what items or services poor people need and are unlikely to have.

Some anti-poverty activists are hoping the McGuinty government applies a so-called "deprivation index" when it comes up with its first official definition of poverty in Ontario later this year.

But as low-income households wind up with expensive products they borrow heavily to buy, it raises the question: Can someone be defined as poor if they can't afford to buy fresh fruit and vegetables every second day or go to a movie twice a year, but are making payments on a plasma TV, a stereo or a car? The Oxleys believe they aren't poor, but they do live in a constant state of dread. If Mary were to lose her job, they'd be on welfare, she says. "My job is the lifeline."

The Oxleys can't afford either to rent or go to the movies. But Mary's line of credit is maxed out at $19,000 because of a used vehicle she bought. To make things easier for Don, at home all day, and to give the family a source of entertainment two years ago, she bought a large-screen plasma TV and made payments on it for two years.

"You have to have some entertainment for him," she says.

The $3,800 TV is now paid for. But they still have their monthly cable bill of $176, which includes the Internet, cell and home phone.

For many low-income earners, a widescreen TV is "essentially and fundamentally the only entertainment," says Peel Family Services' Triantafillou. "How sad is that? I don't doubt for a minute, if they had the means they'd find other entertainment."

Also, just because someone has a house, that doesn't mean they are wealthy. "You may have your own home, but how do you maintain it when someone is on disability?"

SOME POLICY-MAKERS believe the best way to help low-income families escape the debt trap is to make them financially literate. Community workers, they say, need to teach the basics of budgeting, credit and money management. "Just because you may not have a lot of money doesn't mean you don't need to know how to manage it," says Casey Cosgrove, director of financial literacy initiatives at Social and Enterprise Development Innovations (SEDI), a non-profit group that works with low-income Canadians.

While middle- to high-income earners are guided on how to invest and save money by financial advisers or banks, low earners often don't have the same opportunity.

Other nations have made financial literacy a hallmark of their anti-poverty campaigns. In Ireland, centres across the country teach money management and budgeting. They also have a toll-free helpline. This month the U.S. government announced it is setting up a special committee – made up of representatives from the treasury, education, housing and urban development departments – to improve financial literacy rates of its citizens.

In Canada, the big banks have created tool kits on financial literacy – websites and brochures. But the poor do not always use a bank or have ready access to the Internet. "It is that bridge that is missing," Cosgrove says. "It starts with policy. There is no policy in Canada that says Canadians should be financially literate."

Also, the poor don't realize there are programs and money out there for them, he points out. Learn$ave, an asset-building program run by SEDI that matches every dollar saved with $3 for the first $1,500, helped get Nekesha Blake, 25, out of debt and back to school.

She was $25,000 in the hole with no way out. Most was owed to her credit cards. At the time she was a personal-care worker, looking after the needs of the elderly and housebound across the city.

It was while doing the winter bus slog to Richmond Hill, Woodbridge and Markham that she realized in order to improve her life she needed to go back to school. To do that, she had to save. "I used to think if you were saving money at 1.5 per cent and owed debt at 18 per cent, why save?" she says. "It didn't make sense to me."

In seven years, the 3,609 participants in the pilot program saved $3.8 million. The program, implemented in 10 locations across seven provinces, is slated to end in 2009, and the deadline to enter it has passed.

Blake worked hard and saved her pennies.

She went to George Brown College during the day, then to her job at a long-term-care home, working until 11 p.m. After that, she cleaned office towers. More than once she fell asleep in class.

But she did it.

"I saved $1,500. It was really, really hard." Blake graduated as a registered practical nurse in 2004.

"The word 'debt' should be changed to the word 'dead,' " she says. "It's a real killer – like a noose."

Oddly enough!

Posted by Kate at April 22, 2008 12:32 AM

 
Thucydides said:
Most variations of Progressiveism and Socialism are explicitly about control of the actions and property of the individual. What is more moral: giving you equal opportunity to meet your needs or moving in and dictating the outcomes of your actions to meet arbitrary and often unsuitable whims from the unelected and unaccountable?


Thucydides said:
As the Blogger says, it is amusing to see cultural relativists fighting against each other. (How do relativeists define what is worth fighting for anyway?)

http://unambig.blogspot.com/2007/11/but-some-animals-are-more-equal-than.html

I would have thought you'd support cultural relativism as it's the most laissez-faire, non-dictatorial approach to cultural interaction and more in keeping with the libertarian philosophy you support.

I may be misunderstanding, but if you don't believe in cultural relativism, what is your preferred alternative? Surely not cultural imperialism.
 
Glorified Ape said:
I would have thought you'd support cultural relativism as it's the most laissez-faire, non-dictatorial approach to cultural interaction and more in keeping with the libertarian philosophy you support.

I may be misunderstanding, but if you don't believe in cultural relativism, what is your preferred alternative? Surely not cultural imperialism.

Since relativism explicitly denies that anything is or should be more important than anything else, the very idea of cultural relativism is against the ideals of libertarianism or Classical Liberalism. If cultural relativism is "real", then how can you or I defend Freedom of Speech, Free Markets or Property Rights as being ideals for all people to strive towards and take advantage of against those who would restrict or deny these rights? This is not a trick question; these rights are under attack in Canada by various groups and organs of the State. Would you like to take your chances against a potential theocrat promoting Sharia Law or an HRC Star Chamber? (the fact that one is currently using the other is only a marriage of conveinience. Imagine who would go up against the wall if it ever comes to a showdown between the representatives of these two sides).

Incidentally, cultural relativism is imposed by dictatorial means in Universities, notice how students and faculty are force fed certain ideas (the University of Delaware being the most notorious recent case), while other ideas are excluded by force (consider the recent actions against Armed Forces Recruiters, Anti Abortion activists, or supporters of the State of Israel. Try to find a gun club. You get the idea).

As a libertarian, I am quite accomodating. You can practice whatever religion/ideology/diet/music etc. in the comfort of your own home, and I expect you to respect my right to do the same in my home. In the public square we may trade to our mutual benefit, and discuss issues to come to agreement (or not) through peaceful means.
 
One to nine are valid, I will give point 10 a pass:

http://mesopotamiawest.blogspot.com/2008/04/progressivism-everywhere-in-shambles.html

Progressivism Everywhere in Shambles

Have you noticed how Progressives everywhere are flailing and wailing because their policies are coming apart? Take these examples:

  1. In the United States the Democrats are fighting each other using the politics of identity; Hillary that she's a woman, Obama that he's an African-American. No matter who wins, Progressives lose.
  2. In Iraq, the Government seems more competent by the day, facing down the rebels in Basra and showing signs of actually running the country. Progressives were hoping for defeat.
  3. In Britain, there are now grandmothers in their 30's because Progressives increased support for unwed mothers to the point it was a viable career choice. Now they're everywhere.
  4. In Southern Ontario, Progressives said native rights should be recognized. Now the natives are blockading roads and extorting protection money from local residents. Another Progressive policy upside down.
  5. Progressives were behind the Washington, DC gun ban. The city naturally became the murder capital of the United States. Now the Supreme Court seems set to overturn that Progressive policy.
  6. In Ottawa, a Progressive baby the CHRC has been found hacking an innocent citizen's wireless connection, just like any Internet thief. Progressives look the other way.
  7. In Merritt BC it takes a hunter with a rifle and a dog to find a murder suspect. Progressives rely on the police for their safety.
  8. Food riots have broken out in the Third World because Progressives convinced government to get farmers to switch to growing corn for fuel. They did. Another Progressive policy down the toilet.
  9. Progressives were at it again last week wailing about Global Warming. That was the same week the Trans Canada highway was shut down in Northern Ontario due to whiteout conditions and 20 cm of snow.
  10. Progressives are all Stephan Dion supporters and members of the Liberal Party of Canada. They're about to get shellacked in Quebec.

Will all these bits and pieces of failed policy affect Progressives? Absolutely not. They're right and they're going to march right on, over the cliff and into the sea, like the mindless lemmings they truly are.

I wouldn't mind so much if they had their own little world to screw up with bans on fat, guns, lead paint, kitchen knives, bullying, smoking, speeding, wood stoves, plastic bottles, raw milk, peanuts, drinking -- especially drinking -- owning ugly dogs, owning black rifles, and on and on and on. Communism, Fascism, the League of Nations, thought police, Gulags, all of it sprang from the demented minds of Progressives.

Nothing matters to them, they're so pure, so righteous, so perfect. And now they're also against babies because humans are the ultimate pollutant in the world. Just imagine what will happen if that Progressive policy gains traction.

Which I predict it will before it too crashes and burns.
 
Looking at the world through the prism of "Progressive thought", and studying the consequences:

http://mesopotamiawest.blogspot.com/2008/05/feeling-badly-about-burma-think.html

Feeling Badly about Burma? Think the Generals are Unbelievable?

If you saw the news tonight you undoubtedly saw the pictures of bodies along one stretch of waterway. You saw the weeping children, the shattered villages, the devastation and destruction. Now let me ask you; did you think the Generals running Myanmar are crazy? unbelievable? criminal?

If you had any of those thoughts you're guilty of Progressive thinking; guilty of the belief that every leader in every country actually wants the best for their people. This is the single most important distinction between Progressivism and liberal Western democracy. Progressives, to put it mildly, have a really distorted view of reality.

The fact is the world doesn't work that way. Human nature doesn't work that way. People want power, privilege, sex and status. The generals are very typical individuals; the only thing that distinguishes them is that they're generals.

I think they're making a big mistake restricting aid, but they have weighed the consequences of being a pariah state and figure it's worth it. What are hundreds of thousands of dead as long as they're not one of them?

What can we do about it? Practically nothing in the short term.

In the long term we can stop thinking like Progressives. We can start getting hard nosed with dictators (like Saddam), with criminal organizations (like Hezbollah), with criminal countries (like Iran & Burma). We can beef up our military, rescind our anti-gun laws and introduce conscription.

That's the key; if you aren't in favour of conscription for Canadians in order to enforce a better world, then you're just another pantywaist Progressive, lost in a dream land of illusion, smoke and wishful thinking.

Burma is what you get with a country run by dictators if you don't do what Bush did with Iraq. Did you support the invasion of Iraq? If not, what are you bitching about now in Burma?

You can't have it both ways.
 
This article has it all wrong. Not wrong in the sense that progressives whine and carp but in the end don't do anything, that much is true, but the rest of it's conclusions are dead wrong.

The fact is the world doesn't work that way. Human nature doesn't work that way. People want power, privilege, sex and status. The generals are very typical individuals; the only thing that distinguishes them is that they're generals.
 

Typical individuals are, for want of a more accurate term "good" and "moral"  would the the author of this article also claim Hitler, Stalin and Mao were typical individuals?

In the long term we can stop thinking like Progressives. We can start getting hard nosed with dictators (like Saddam), with criminal organizations (like Hezbollah), with criminal countries (like Iran & Burma). We can beef up our military, rescind our anti-gun laws and introduce conscription.

Why?  To ignorantly try to enforce peace/morality/law at the end of a gun.  Thanks, but no thanks. I for one have no desire to see my nation and the world embroiled in wars of occupation from now until I die.

Conscription is a universally bad idea, not only does it weaken the military overall as it is forced to deal with tens of thousands of malcontents within its ranks but it destroys the very freedom of the country that is using it to try to create freedom for others (as ridiculous as that idea has already been pointed out to be).

That's the key; if you aren't in favour of conscription for Canadians in order to enforce a better world, then you're just another pantywaist Progressive, lost in a dream land of illusion, smoke and wishful thinking.

This is the fatal flaw, the idea that you, we or anyone can force someone to be free.  Bullshit. The people who live under these regimes must for themselves, and in their own self interest rise up and kill their oppressors.  This is the way that freedom is won and kept.  Iraq is a perfect example of where this kind of liberationist thinking leads... the road of good intentions.  Don't get me wrong I believe that Saddam and his cronies needed to go, but pushing the ******* out of his chair should have been done by Iraqis for Iraqis.  And we should have lent them the guns and aid they needed to do it in 1991.

Burma is what you get with a country run by dictators if you don't do what Bush did with Iraq. Did you support the invasion of Iraq? If not, what are you bitching about now in Burma?

The other side of this coin is obviously that Iraq is what you get when you force a solution on the people. this is something that neither Canada nor the rest of the world is ready for.  Count the number of liberal democracies.  Count the number of Dictatorships.  Welcome to the forever war.  Iraq, with no standing army, with no tanks, planes or ships after the invasion has tied up the resources of the worlds most powerful nation for 6 years. 


You can't have it both ways.

You can't have it the authors way either.

 
I fully endorse Reccesoldier's views.

Most people act in such a fashion as to allow them to feel good about themselves.  The "pursuit of happiness" includes feeling good about your actions.  That means justifying your actions as NOT being selfish.  Of course Hitler thought he was beneficial to "Das Volk".

Mesopotamia West's rant reads more like something an HRC troll would deposit.  If that were the definition of non-progressive thought then I would have to line up with the progressives just out of reflex.

Self-interest extends far beyond power, privilege, sex and status.  Perhaps that is as far as Mespot's horizons extend though.
 
I admit I don't agree with Mesopotamia's "solutions", but it is interesting to see how some people will react once the problem (i.e. human nature) is redefined.

Certainly gnashing teeth and appealing to fictional "International Law" is one response if you are of the "Progressive" ilk, suggesting some sort of robust solution may not be popular (and as you can see progressives don't have a monopoly of poorly thought out responses to things), but in many cases may be the only way to effect change.

BTW, virtually every successful revolt against "oppressors" requires some sort of outside help, ranging from safe havens to regroup to logistical support to actual intervention. Even the American Revolution would not have succeeded without outside help from the French. Who to help and through what means is obviously way beyond this thread, but history should tell us that waiting for the masses to rise up and strike down their oppressors isn't going to happen.
 
Thucydides said:
BTW, virtually every successful revolt against "oppressors" requires some sort of outside help, ranging from safe havens to regroup to logistical support to actual intervention. Even the American Revolution would not have succeeded without outside help from the French. Who to help and through what means is obviously way beyond this thread, but history should tell us that waiting for the masses to rise up and strike down their oppressors isn't going to happen.

Absolutely, and I said as much in reference to Iraq.  The spark of revolution must come from within the country though, otherwise the space of a month turns a liberator into an occupier.
 
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