Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread

[RangerRay]

Trudeau’s response to intelligence of interference is ignore then lie about what he was told, then just say it’s wrong because reasons.

Shooting the messengers

Caught red-handed in Beijing's embrace time and time again, Team Trudeau reaches for the nuclear option: Attack CSIS to the point of collective perjury.

open.substack.com

 

[OldSolduer]

Trudeau’s response to intelligence of interference is ignore then lie about what he was told, then just say it’s wrong because reasons.

Shooting the messengers

Caught red-handed in Beijing's embrace time and time again, Team Trudeau reaches for the nuclear option: Attack CSIS to the point of collective perjury.

open.substack.com

Because he knows better than the people that have been in the intelligence business for decades. He is a great intelligence master
He has no training in intelligence matters, no experience in collecting or analysis' of information.
Other than that he’s a great intelligence master.

Edit: I’m paraphrasing Stormin Norman.

 

[TacticalTea]

China's green program consists of raping the earth of toxic chemicals, much of it with child labour. Combining them into limited life solar panels, batteries and windmills. Then exporting them. All of which ends up buried in our soil, contaminating everything and never breaking down. Out of sight, out of mind. And never coming close to recouping the cost in energy. If their green shit is so great, why are they burning coal?

Given China doesn't have an electorate to satisfy, I doubt they'd go so hard on green projects if they didn't think it mattered.

 

[OldSolduer]

China's green program consists of raping the earth of toxic chemicals, much of it with child labour. Combining them into limited life solar panels, batteries and windmills. Then exporting them. All of which ends up buried in our soil, contaminating everything and never breaking down. Out of sight, out of mind. And never coming close to recouping the cost in energy. If their green shit is so great, why are they burning coal?

But comrade Fishbone don't forget all the "reeducation" camps too. They are very green.....

 

[lenaitch]

A good briefing is better than just reading.

I've likely misconstrued lenaitch's comment.

I'll leave it.

Since you asked. No doubt the sources will be dismissed as suspect or biased but I'll just drop these here:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/29/politics/trump-intelligence-briefings/index.html#:~:text=Trump%20rarely%2C%20if%20at%20all,analyst%20tapped%20for%20the%20job.

(apparently he liked pictures)

Trump doesn't read his intelligence reports, but looks at the graphs, charts, and tables

During intelligence briefings, the President Donald Trump reportedly veers off-topic, pivots to gossip, or stops listening if he's told he's wrong.

www.businessinsider.com

Trump’s ‘fact-free’ approach caused briefing challenges, CIA report says

Ex-president’s chaotic style resulted in presidential daily briefing being delivered more regularly to Mike Pence

www.theguardian.com

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/articles/2018-02-09/why-it-matters-that-trump-doesnt-read-his-daily-intelligence-briefings

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/breaking-with-tradition-trump-skips-presidents-written-intelligence-report-for-oral-briefings/2018/02/09/b7ba569e-0c52-11e8-95a5-c396801049ef_story.html

What to know about how Trump gets, or doesn't get, intelligence briefings

It’s a classified dossier outlining the most urgent, credible national security threats. And now that top-secret document is in the spotlight.

www.usatoday.com

Dumbed-Down Security Briefings Still Too Difficult for Trump to Read

The president reportedly prefers to be briefed verbally, though he also is bad at listening.

nymag.com

 

[GK .Dundas]

Question , does anybody actually read reports anymore ?

 

[Brad Sallows]

Question , does anybody actually read reports anymore ?

A tale is told of a day early in PET's PM-ship, when he admonished the people around the table for not having read/digested the background material prior to a meeting. It's reasonable to wonder how much that ethic has declined.

 

[OldSolduer]

Question , does anybody actually read reports anymore ?

that depends on the intelligence of the reader and how many sycophants are around them

 

[GK .Dundas]

Anytime I've worked around something that required some sort of briefing or meeting to discuss an issue. I made damn sure I both read any written material and listened to any information given verbally.
Because someone always misses something in the either written material or during the lecture, discussion period.
I actually suspect that Justin Trudeau does read his briefing papers and does listen to his briefers.
Now whether or not he he takes them as seriously as he should probably depends on a variety of factors.
None of which I'm qualified to discuss .
Quite frankly I'm not too sure who in the Government party really does take national security all that seriously. I could say that about the opposition side of the House.
It does seem to almost some sort of tradition within the country. Sometimes I get the feeling that the country's motto could "What me , worry ?
The only people who who do seem to take it seriously seem to be the Senate or least so seems to me.

 

[Good2Golf]

It's reasonable to wonder how much that ethic has declined.

Probably so much that it looks like positive ethic in…..


…China

 

[Brad Sallows]

The only people who who do seem to take it seriously seem to be the Senate or least so seems to me.

They don't face re-election. What you propose - that people read and listen - may be entirely true. But if "party interests >> country interests", we get the results we see.

 

[RangerRay]

Andrew Coyne opens up both barrels.

Opinion: The foreign interference inquiry features a parade of senior Liberals protesting too much

At every turn, Liberal officials’ responses were either we didn’t see the memo, or it was not reflected in oral briefings, or in the face of evidence they received both, well, what does CSIS know anyway?

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[GK .Dundas]

When you get right down to it at the end of the day if the Prime Minister decides that he disagrees with his advisors. He can , that's his privilege. At the end of the day He's the boss.
What ticks me off , is the way he threw his people under the bus belittling them as he did so.
He is a classless ass.

 

[dimsum]

Xi Orders China’s Biggest Military Reorganization Since 2015

Chinese President Xi Jinping has ordered what amounts to the biggest reorganization of the nation’s military since 2015 in a move that affects the force in charge of capabilities including cyber warfare.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Worried about the current reliability of the military I wonder?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Xi Orders China’s Biggest Military Reorganization Since 2015

Chinese President Xi Jinping has ordered what amounts to the biggest reorganization of the nation’s military since 2015 in a move that affects the force in charge of capabilities including cyber warfare.

www.bloomberg.com

In China 'reorg' can mean 'purge' ...

China’s 'disappearing' generals: Why Xi Jinping doesn’t trust his own military - Times of India

China News: China's defense minister, Li Shangfu, has been missing from public life for over a month, raising questions about the extent of President Xi Jinping's

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[dimsum]

In China 'reorg' can mean 'purge' ...

China’s 'disappearing' generals: Why Xi Jinping doesn’t trust his own military - Times of India

China News: China's defense minister, Li Shangfu, has been missing from public life for over a month, raising questions about the extent of President Xi Jinping's

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Agreed, but it seems like in this case that they replaced one organization with another and kept the same person as head.