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CFHA Residential Housing Unit (RHU)-old PMQ [MERGED]

I think alot of it depends on each individuals situation. With NavyGirl280, I know her and her new hubby personally and I know their situation and I agree with her that now is not the best time for them, especially with just getting married a couple weeks ago, but I would suggest they buy a home in the next year or two while they are still affordable out here. In the last year alone our house has increased in value by $15k!!

We were only able to buy because being posted to the USA prevented us that luxury, so the CF paid all our closing costs to the tune of $9000+. We also worked with a mortgage broker that specialized with the CF, so she knew how to work things out best for us. In the end we bought a house in a great neighbourhood and only had to put $1800 down. The mortgage we got had a $3000 cash back allowance so we tacked that onto our down payment. Being a first time homeowner was a big bonus too.
 
I guess I should have been more clear in my posting ... I do apologize

As Springroll mentioned, I recently got married and were just trying to get our lives on the "right" track before heading into any "big" commitements. They only reason we are withholding from buying a home right now is because my husband is finishing up on his 5s course and then he has that chance he may be posted. Thats only in a months time. It would take that long just to find a home here and do the legal portion of it all. If after his course, we find out hes not being posted, we will be considering looking into a new home. Mortgage is the only way to go anymore. They jack the prices up so much on places you rent every year (usually apartments) and then in the long run you have nothing to show for it.

Once again I do apologize for not adding that to my last post  ::)

S.Bradbury
 
LoL

I am reply to my OWN message

Marriage was/is a big commitement....I guess its too early to think and that came out without doing so......

Oops

Take care 'til next time

S.Bradbury


 
Out of curiosity .. Have any of you seen the article in regards to asbestos in PMQs?

The article is written by Kathy Tomlinson of  CTV News and the title is "Alarms raised over asbestos in military homes"


Here is a link to the article in question:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050923/whistleblower_asbestos_050929/20050929?hub=TopStories

This was also being Questioned in Parliament this AM during question period.

These Q's have been paid off for over 50 years in most parts and with very little re-investment back into maintenance and improvements.
 
If your a Sgt ? Or your in the cadets ?
You would know this bye now. 
The best thing to do is stay clear of the PMQ ghetto if possible. Save your money & buy a house. Your family will enjoy it more knowing that the house is yours. & You controll the monthly payments not some egg head in Ottawa.
This may seem harsh but this is the best thing you can do. Even if you have to get a PMQ for now, I would start saving for a house it's a nice thing to have at your disposal but you can become dependant on it & get sucked into that rut like so many others.
Build something while you are serving it will be a great investment for later.
If you have to live in the shacks that's a great place to save your down payment.

(Go ahead flame away)  :salute:
 
Redsled said:
If your a Sgt ? Or your in the cadets ?
You would know this bye now.  

Did you read any of this thread?   Did you check out who you are refering to?   No! You didn't did you?   This guy is a SSG in the US Army who has dual citizenship.   Perhaps you ought to read (and engage brain) before responding.....at least have your morning coffee first.... ;D
 
My husband and myself applied for housing back the end of last year ... around the end of October I believe it was. We were turned down for a couple reasons. We were common law but only as according to the province of NS (being 6 months) as well we didnt have our common-law status. One fell back on the other. So we had to wait our full year and then applied through the province to get our common law status. I dont think we needed it but it was good for CYA. We reapplied and moved into our PMQ July 1st. Where we are, I am 100% positive they keep the homes for the married and single parents. There are a few single parents I know in my area and the rest all have atleast one child. Myself, I have 2 children so that wasnt the hold up for getting in. I probably told you everything every one else has but just wanted to let you know

S.Bradbury
 
Article about empty PMQ's in Oakville.... ???

Perhaps CFHA can sell these and free up more monies for areas like Petawawa which has hundreds of PMQ awaiting repair.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_PrintFriendly&c=Article&cid=1131058200821

Nov. 4, 2005. 01:00 AM

Knocking on the army's door


CAROL GOAR

In the heart of old Oakville, a couple of blocks from the lakeshore, sits a cluster of 49 empty houses. They're well maintained. The grass is cut regularly. Some are bungalows, some have two storeys.

They'd be perfect for seniors, new immigrants or low-income families.

But they're off limits to members of the community. They belong to the Department of National Defence. And according to military rules, they must be maintained for Canadian Forces personnel.

Every time Marilyn Luxton drives past the site, her frustration spills out.

She'd love one of the modest houses herself. She is a senior struggling to keep her foothold in one of the country's most expensive housing markets.

But more than that, she'd like to see others in need move in. It boggles her mind that, in a community where seniors wait three to five years for affordable housing, a collection of habitable dwellings â ” paid for by the Canadian people â ” should remain vacant.

"Why aren't needy people in there? How can the army get away with this?"

Peter Holland, who manages Canadian Forces housing for the Toronto region, says he's just following orders.

There is a strict protocol for determining who gets military housing, he says. Members of the armed forces with families have first priority. Single military personnel come second. Civilian employees of the defence department rank third. And if space is still available, federal civil servants can apply.

"We have no mandate to house people in the local community," Holland says.

This kind of blind adherence to outdated rules infuriates Luxton. It's been years since the army has had any significant presence in Oakville and no one expects the military to move back into the region.

Luxton has called her Member of Parliament, Bonnie Brown, several times. She's spoken to her Member of the Provincial Legislature, Kevin Flynn. She's raised the issue with Oakville Mayor Ann Mulvale.

She's pestered her local councillor, Ralph Robinson, so often she's afraid he'll stop taking her calls. None of them has been able to budge the defence department.

A less tenacious individual than Luxton would quit. She probably should; she's had two strokes.

But she's the kind of citizen who can't stop trying to fix what's broken, change what's wrong and challenge edicts that defy logic and moral sense.

The defence department's military housing policy qualifies on all counts: It is wasteful, irrational and inhumane.

The issue Luxton is raising extends well beyond Oakville. Many communities have vacant military houses. (Toronto has 50 or so unoccupied units at the former Downsview base.)

Until the defence department declares them surplus, no one else can use them.

Disposing of military assets is always a delicate matter. It pits government agencies against one another, produces a clash of interests between private developers and social activists and generates fierce local controversy.

The expectation in Oakville is that the enclave once known as "army block" â ” situated on a prime piece of land at the junction of Rebecca St. and Dorval Dr. â ” will eventually be sold, the houses will be knocked down and a high-priced condominium will be erected.

Luxton would hate to see that happen. She believes the site should stay in public hands, the houses should be handed over to the Salvation Army and an affordable apartment complex should be built on the large, unused field in the middle of the lot.

As a former real estate agent, she understands the power of market forces. But as a citizen, she sides with the "people who haven't got tons of money."

At the moment, though, Luxton's battle is to get the locks off the doors of the 49 empty houses.

She can't see who benefits from having them sit there, clean and heated, while the defence department decides what to do with them. She can't fathom why an antiquated policy directive should keep needy people out of publicly financed housing. And she can't comprehend why none of the politicians she elected is capable of changing â ” or at least finding a way to suspend â ” rules that make no sense and erode people's faith in government.

"I'm a nobody," Luxton says. "I have no voice. But I have to speak out about this."

Every community needs nobodies like her.


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Carol Goar's column appears Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
 
Anyone aware of how many of the Oakville PMQs are occupied?

I was considering moving there but picked William Baker instead.  Since my wife found a used hypodermic needle in the ditch while raking leaves, I'm wondering if the commute isn't so bad afterall.
 
OK,  I am sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone who likes living in PMQs, but

Are YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND???????????????????????????????????????

I lived for two years in the North Side PMQ slums in Pet. It was gross. It's cheaper to buy. Hello!??? You don't have to be ghetto!!!! What is up people? General Lake PS and General Panet HS are where you send your kids if you just don't care. Check the provincial standards. 


GET out of the Qs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(ok, I do mean to offed. Get your butt out of the Qs!)
 
Just say no to PMQs.<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/haytaps/aolsmolies/panic2.gif"> Get out!
 
North said:
OK,   I am sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone who likes living in PMQs, but

Are YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND???????????????????????????????????????

I lived for two years in the North Side PMQ slums in Pet. It was gross. It's cheaper to buy. Hello!??? You don't have to be ghetto!!!! What is up people? General Lake PS and General Panet HS are where you send your kids if you just don't care. Check the provincial standards.  


GET out of the Qs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(ok, I do mean to offed. Get your butt out of the Qs!)

Not that easy for everyone....
Housing prices are becoming insane (esp around Pet...$200 000, like come on...) and unless both you and your spouse are in, or they have a good job...its hard not to be house poor.
But I agree with you, get out of the PMQ's as soon as possible. If you are being posted, buy...do not go into Q's.

BTW whats wrong with French immersion at Gen Lake?...not like there is much choice elsewhere in Petawawa. It is Herman Street School that was in the bottom 10%
 
ArmyMedic

I am sure that housing prices in Oakville are even higher than Pet.  (Having just sold in Pet, I am dishearted to hear the latest prices.)

Back to the topic.

I was under the understanding that the PMQs in Oakville were dedicated to housing the Staff and Students of the Staff Schools and Staff Colleges located in the Metro area.  I am sure that there are times when there may a large number of vacancies and times when they will be fully occupied, depending on what Crses are in House.  In my opinion, someone was having a "Slow Press Day" and as usual any anti-military subject makes a good filler in the TO area.
 
any bets that some real estate developer would love to get his hands on the oakville property to redevelop or Flip the property?

Given the location... would make a bloody fortune

I know that @ Ft St-Jean on the old CMR campus there are a whole bunch of CF PMQs that are periodicaly vacant.... but as the Campus is being converted to the leadership school - there will be the pitter patter of little feet in the Qs sometime soon... thank god they didn't sell off the campus when they closed down CMR.
 
geo said:
any bets that some real estate developer would love to get his hands on the oakville property to redevelop or Flip the property?

Given the location... would make a bloody fortune

Definately. I know this may sound greedy but I think I have a point. The area should be sold at a gorgeous price to some people who want to build a condo or a rich neighbourhood or whatnot. With the money DND can fix the Q's in Petawawa and fund other areas that are in need. I DON'T think they should be turned into a a neighbourhood for "low-income familes" and things like that. What do you get when you pile a bunch of poor people into one spot? You get violence and you get crime - just another problem. And I'm sure this is one reason they haven't been sold off already.
 
North said:
OK,   I am sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone who likes living in PMQs, but

Are YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND???????????????????????????????????????

I lived for two years in the North Side PMQ slums in Pet. It was gross. It's cheaper to buy. Hello!??? You don't have to be ghetto!!!! What is up people? General Lake PS and General Panet HS are where you send your kids if you just don't care. Check the provincial standards.  


GET out of the Qs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(ok, I do mean to offed. Get your butt out of the Qs!)

First off, I am not in Toronto on a 4 year post.
Second of all, I have no kids and don't need to worry about schools.
Third, I grew up in PMQs and know exactly what they're like.
Fourth, Toronto is not Pet.  The housing market isn't even remotely similar.

There are reasons why people choose PMQs; some of which seem to escape your thought process.
 
From what I read so far... Petawawa's Q's are really horrible. SO horrible that they are used as the "bad example"? Wow, I was actually hoping I could get posted there. Now I'm going to have to pull an unholy amount of cash out of my @ss to buy a place somewere.  :'(
 
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