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Noting spotted on MERX - anyone know of any other open source for the proposal call?

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Military seeks super ride
Documents listing requirements for new vehicles give a rare glimpse into the work of special forces

Allan Woods, Toronto Star, 7 Aug 08
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They'll drop from flying helicopters, run in the desert heat and the Arctic cold and shield soldiers from the ravages of a dirty bomb or nuclear weapon.

The unusually detailed list of requirements for a new super vehicle for Canada's special forces is contained in government documents released as the military tests the market to determine which suppliers can best meet its needs.

The solicitation, which seeks 80 "special reconnaissance" and 20 "quick reaction" vehicles, also provides a rare glimpse into the types of missions the country's special forces soldiers are carrying out and what hazards they could face in the future.

The Canadian Special Operations Forces Command is the most secretive branch of the military, made up of Joint Task Force 2, the anti-terror unit, as well as a chemical, nuclear and biological response team, air support and the 750-strong regiment that backs up JTF2 and conducts its own high-risk operations around the globe.

"The (Special Operations Vehicle) will be deployed throughout the world on a moment's notice and in many cases little or no logistics support will follow," read the documents, which are available to military contractors.

They'll be packed into Canada's military transport planes, slung from Griffon helicopters and delivered to the frontlines of Afghanistan, the streets of Baghdad, or the tundra of the Far North. They'll run across the main roads, trails and mountains of the numerous regions of the globe where the country's best-trained soldiers operate.

Longer reconnaissance missions, where special forces troops are operating alone in "denied territory," demand a sturdy off-road vehicle that can run on fuel contaminated by dirt and water, that can operate in virtual silence to prevent detection and that can fire on targets with a machine gun or grenade launcher at a close range.

The more heavily armoured quick reaction vehicle will be involved in urban combat with high exposure to an armed enemy or insurgent threat. The military instructions state that both vehicles should be similar to or interchangeable with those used by British, U.S. and Australian special forces so that Canadians can turn to their primary allies for spare parts and mechanical assistance in a pinch.

Stephen Priestley, a military researcher who runs the Canadian American Strategic Review website, said it's likely that the Special Operations Regiment, formed in 2006 and based in Petawawa, is currently using either Humvees or a variation of the Mercedes G-Wagon, a vehicle that's already in the Forces' fleet.

The most likely candidates to fill the new demand are the Supacat Jackal 4x4, which the British recently purchased for use in Afghanistan, or the Wolf AGF Light Infantry Vehicle, which is ride-of-choice for German special forces.

 
New vehicles being considered for the Special Operations Forces:

http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/473643

Military seeks super ride
TheStar.com - Canada - Military seeks super ride

Documents listing requirements for new vehicles give a rare glimpse into the work of special forces

August 07, 2008
Allan Woods
Ottawa Bureau

OTTAWA–They'll drop from flying helicopters, run in the desert heat and the Arctic cold and shield soldiers from the ravages of a dirty bomb or nuclear weapon.

The unusually detailed list of requirements for a new super vehicle for Canada's special forces is contained in government documents released as the military tests the market to determine which suppliers can best meet its needs.

The solicitation, which seeks 80 "special reconnaissance" and 20 "quick reaction" vehicles, also provides a rare glimpse into the types of missions the country's special forces soldiers are carrying out and what hazards they could face in the future.

The Canadian Special Operations Forces Command is the most secretive branch of the military, made up of Joint Task Force 2, the anti-terror unit, as well as a chemical, nuclear and biological response team, air support and the 750-strong regiment that backs up JTF2 and conducts its own high-risk operations around the globe.

"The (Special Operations Vehicle) will be deployed throughout the world on a moment's notice and in many cases little or no logistics support will follow," read the documents, which are available to military contractors.

They'll be packed into Canada's military transport planes, slung from Griffon helicopters and delivered to the frontlines of Afghanistan, the streets of Baghdad (interpolation: ?. What universe is the Star writing about?), or the tundra of the Far North. They'll run across the main roads, trails and mountains of the numerous regions of the globe where the country's best-trained soldiers operate.

Longer reconnaissance missions, where special forces troops are operating alone in "denied territory," demand a sturdy off-road vehicle that can run on fuel contaminated by dirt and water, that can operate in virtual silence to prevent detection and that can fire on targets with a machine gun or grenade launcher at a close range.

The more heavily armoured quick reaction vehicle will be involved in urban combat with high exposure to an armed enemy or insurgent threat. The military instructions state that both vehicles should be similar to or interchangeable with those used by British, U.S. and Australian special forces so that Canadians can turn to their primary allies for spare parts and mechanical assistance in a pinch.

Stephen Priestley, a military researcher who runs the Canadian American Strategic Review website, said it's likely that the Special Operations Regiment, formed in 2006 and based in Petawawa, is currently using either Humvees or a variation of the Mercedes G-Wagon, a vehicle that's already in the Forces' fleet.

The most likely candidates to fill the new demand are the Supacat Jackal 4x4, which the British recently purchased for use in Afghanistan, or the Wolf AGF Light Infantry Vehicle, which is ride-of-choice for German special forces.

 
Also look here:  http://www.casr.ca/doc-npp-special-ops-vehicle.htm

It is CASR's take on things complete with MERX. 

Enjoy..

MC
 
The streets of Baghdad?      ::)

Regards
 
And here's the terseMERX listing itself - .pdf attached if link doesn't work

Seems someone paid some coin (TorStar in this case) to get the "associated components"....
 
Oh, I love it.
They made a funny...hehe, Baghdad.

Although, considering they are talking about the special forces, is that not a possibility?
I mean, by their nature they go places without the citizens of Canada knowing.

Like the US military never set foot in Laos during the Vietnam War, right?  Well, not officially until they said so in 1997.
Not saying we have anyone in Baghdad, How would I know?  haha.  But considering the job these people do, is it not a possibility?
 
They'll be ... slung from Griffon helicopters

Crew: 2+1
Length: 5.39m
Width: 2.00m
Height: 1.97m (not including weapon system)
Weight: 6,650kg
Engine: 5.9 litre Cummins ISBe Euro3
Jackal is ready to receive the British Armed Forces' new BOWMAN communications equipment.

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/EquipmentAndLogistics/AwesomeFirepowerAndAgilityPutsJackalInClassOfItsOwn.htm

That's quite the up-engining DND is planning for the Griffon.
 
Kirkhill said:
They'll be ... slung from Griffon helicopters
That's quite the up-engining DND is planning for the Griffon.

Hey, they're using the plural - how hard could it be to get a half dozen Griffons lifting and flying in formation?

;)
 
What are a few more nuts a bolts joining in loose formation?
 
dapaterson said:
That's quite the up-engining DND is planning for the Griffon.



Hey, they're using the plural - how hard could it be to get a half dozen Griffons lifting and flying in formation?

;)

Was reading a newspaper article this moring that showed 10 Griffons  flying formation over Edmonton, maybe that's what they are planning on doing :D
 
Koenigsegg said:
Oh, I love it.
They made a funny...hehe, Baghdad.

Although, considering they are talking about the special forces, is that not a possibility?
I mean, by their nature they go places without the citizens of Canada knowing.

Like the US military never set foot in Laos during the Vietnam War, right?  Well, not officially until they said so in 1997.
Not saying we have anyone in Baghdad, How would I know?  haha.  But considering the job these people do, is it not a possibility?

Ummm... Canada did have a military delegation of one in Iraq...... our present CDS  >:D
 
geo said:
Ummm... Canada did have a military delegation of one in Iraq...... our present CDS  >:D

While Gen Hillier may have been going out and defeating the AQ in Iraq single handed during his tour  ;); the Star is either guilty of shoddy research (which is no surprise to regular readers), or is deliberatly attempting to link our mission in Afghanistan to the American mission in Iraq by adding that misleading line about "the streets of Bagdahd".

Either way, the Star takes another credibility hit. SDA has an overview of how this behaviour is kiling the MSM across North America:

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/009277.html#comments

This Isn't An Extinction. It's Suicide.

Just think* - this week in boardrooms across the industry, media executives are meeting with media experts to hash out yet another strategy, and yet more innovations to address their falling fortunes, every last one of them invested in the unshakable belief that the internet is burying them because it's faster - as though the only difference between shit and sunshine is the speed at which they travel.

The Edwards mess is the most recent and visible, but hardly unique, example of the mainstream media’s hear no evil/see no evil approach to newsgathering. How many other stories has the MSM missed, denied or avoided? From Rathergate to Reverend Wright to the success of the surge, the pattern is the same: MSM stalls, shuffles its collective feet, and doggedly ignores information for as long as possible until they can no longer do so with a straight face. The fact that these stories without exception work to the detriment of Democrats is apparently a grand coincidence.

And the notion that they are upholding some “journalistic standard” is rendered absurd. Edwards’ story wasn’t important on Thursday, but it was on Friday because he confessed? No, the level of proof changed, but the story’s relevance did not. If it wasn’t worthy of investigation before the ABC interview then it was unworthy of mention afterwards. Their explanation for their editorial decision-making is no more credible than . . . well than Edwards himself.

Related - Howard Kurtz.

And Stephen Green agrees - "If you treat a Republican one way and a Democrat another and it isn’t liberal bias — then what is it? A Sulzberger family suicide pact?"


Posted by Kate at August 11, 2008 11:02 AM
 
Thucydides said:
While Gen Hillier may have been going out and defeating the AQ in Iraq single handed during his tour  ;); the Star is either guilty of shoddy research (which is no surprise to regular readers), or is deliberatly attempting to link our mission in Afghanistan to the American mission in Iraq by adding that misleading line about "the streets of Bagdahd".

Either way, the Star takes another credibility hit. SDA has an overview of how this behaviour is kiling the MSM across North America:

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/009277.html#comments

Gen Hillier did not go to Iraq as a delegation of one.... Gen Walt did
 
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