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Just a reminder that BAE's Type 26 frigate design (only under construction now) in running for Canadian Surface Combatant:
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MTShaw said:
That’s what is shown in this video as well at 3:07-3:09. — https://youtu.be/xFVZ_rS9rH4
The RN Type 26 will be fitted with 24 cell in 3 x 8 cell Mk 41 modules: https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2018/03/02/british-type-26-frigates-to-get-lockheed-missile-launcher/
Overall, the proposed Canadian variant appears to be longer, wider, more heavily armed (at least from the information available).
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Update on the RN Type 26 progress.
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/maritime-antisub/2184-first-type-26-vessel-progressing
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/maritime-antisub/2184-first-type-26-vessel-progressing
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Whiskey,
I didn't see a size difference, but if there is one it would start with power capactiy. 30 knots is a minimum to zigzag around with a CBG. The type 26 is only good for 26. That will be done in the curing process, if it is not done already.
I didn't see a size difference, but if there is one it would start with power capactiy. 30 knots is a minimum to zigzag around with a CBG. The type 26 is only good for 26. That will be done in the curing process, if it is not done already.
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Well we could always rent them http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/192653/france-to-lease-two-fremm-frigates-to-greece-for-5-years%3A-report.html
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Have to wonder if the French are having similar staffing issues like the RN is currently experiencing. To 'give up ' two fully operational Frigates, they must either have some excess capacity somewhere that they'll use these crews for, or, they have an overall shortage of trained crews and this will allow them to fully staff their remaining ships.
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Some CSC based scuttlebutte.
Modeling and Simulation in Halifax is doing the modeling on the sensors from the CSC bids to see if the glossy brochure matches the actual performance. (M&S are one of those Centres of Excellence in NATO that you never hear about. The RCN is a world leader in this category...) This as far as I know is a new thing for warships (like one hand can count how many times this was done) and a first for Canada.
The CSC may not have an AAW variant and a GP variant outside of weapons loadout and/or C4I gear. Depending on the cost and performance of sensor systems all of the ships may have the same sensors. It's really up to the bidders sales pitch. They are free enough to bid two different radar systems or a single system that meets all performance objectives.
Modeling and Simulation in Halifax is doing the modeling on the sensors from the CSC bids to see if the glossy brochure matches the actual performance. (M&S are one of those Centres of Excellence in NATO that you never hear about. The RCN is a world leader in this category...) This as far as I know is a new thing for warships (like one hand can count how many times this was done) and a first for Canada.
The CSC may not have an AAW variant and a GP variant outside of weapons loadout and/or C4I gear. Depending on the cost and performance of sensor systems all of the ships may have the same sensors. It's really up to the bidders sales pitch. They are free enough to bid two different radar systems or a single system that meets all performance objectives.
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Wonder if their decision will influence our's in any manner? 2 of the 3 finalists are the same as ours.
From Jane's:
http://www.janes.com/article/79889/selection-of-australian-future-frigate-design-expected-shortly
From Jane's:
http://www.janes.com/article/79889/selection-of-australian-future-frigate-design-expected-shortly
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Czech_pivo said:
Not directly. We are doing our own thing, and Australia has different requirements. In many ways their project is simpler (and lets be honest, their procurement has more experience with buying new ships recently.... see Hobart Class and Canberra Class as examples), as they flat out said that the ships will carry CEA's CEAFAR and CEAMOUNT radars, and have the Saab 9LV Combat Management System. It's significantly reduced the amount of variables that they need to pick a platform. They essentially have dictated the entire combat suite to the bidders and really only need to look at how the bidders can perform on the other float/move variables.
I expect that the F-100 will be picked as its about 75% common with the Hobarts. Really would reduce training costs, some maint costs and various other issues that commonality brings. The speed of their procurement process seems is staggering compared to ours. Though if you look at the Hobart procurement that took quite a while as they had to reinvent a shipbuilding industry again like we are now.
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Aren't they just taking CEA's equipment off the ANZAC class or is this a completely new system. Whatever it is, they are building one hell of potent Navy especially if their sub fleet gets going as planned.
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RDBZ said:
Yah I just read up on that 10 min ago. Something changed over the last few months WRT the CMS (probably in my memory, lol). Yes the CEAFAR2-L (I should have been more specific) is one of the versions of the CEAFAR family that is going to be on the ship. Makes for a L, S and X band combo. Which is pretty unique.
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Some images of the Type 26 CSC bid model from the company that builds them.
Things I noticed are the 32 VLS spots on the foc'sle, the double 25-30mm rear deck guns, the RAM launchers on the sides and the Harpoons on the the top deck. Of note the are no mid deck small VLS launchers like the UK Type 26 has. Harpoons seem an odd choice but its a model and maybe a placeholder. The main radar also seems odd to me. I for the life of me can't figure out what Lockheed is going to use. I originally guessed it might be a Kronos Dual Band system based on the video but the video model doesn't have the same number of VLS on it as these images do, so that makes me question both models accuracy.
The radar could be a AMDR from Raytheon. That wouldn't be a huge surprise, given the modularity and power of that new system. Or it could just be a placeholder in the model.
http://www.jlawson.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/T26-CSC-001.jpg
http://www.jlawson.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/T26-CSC-003.jpg
http://www.jlawson.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/T26-CSC-002.jpg
http://www.jlawson.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/T26-CSC-0031.jpg
http://www.jlawson.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/T26-CSC-005.jpg
http://www.jlawson.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/T26-CSC-007.jpg
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Things I noticed are the 32 VLS spots on the foc'sle, the double 25-30mm rear deck guns, the RAM launchers on the sides and the Harpoons on the the top deck. Of note the are no mid deck small VLS launchers like the UK Type 26 has. Harpoons seem an odd choice but its a model and maybe a placeholder. The main radar also seems odd to me. I for the life of me can't figure out what Lockheed is going to use. I originally guessed it might be a Kronos Dual Band system based on the video but the video model doesn't have the same number of VLS on it as these images do, so that makes me question both models accuracy.
The radar could be a AMDR from Raytheon. That wouldn't be a huge surprise, given the modularity and power of that new system. Or it could just be a placeholder in the model.
http://www.jlawson.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/T26-CSC-001.jpg
http://www.jlawson.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/T26-CSC-003.jpg
http://www.jlawson.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/T26-CSC-002.jpg
http://www.jlawson.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/T26-CSC-0031.jpg
http://www.jlawson.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/T26-CSC-005.jpg
http://www.jlawson.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/T26-CSC-007.jpg
*edited for cut and paste errors*
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Nice 5 inch gun on the focs'ole, though. :nod:
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The RN specs talk about the Type 26 accommodating two helicopters. The pics above show a single hanger door. It there enough space in there to store two helicopters?
Underway said:
This is awesome! I never seen this before, in all the other little pictures they have shown for the CSC, you can't really see the Port or Starboard CIWS/SeaRAM. This is the first model where you can see it all really clearly and it's SeaRAM
Cool!
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Czech_pivo said:
The model is clearly for a single Helo. As the stacks bracket the Hgr there's no way to fit 2 Helos in there... unless they are tiny (eg. Cobra).
With the stacks on either side of the Hgr, it'll get super hot in there. The 280s stack went right thru the middle of the double hgr and it could get unbearable in there especially when closed up at flying stations.
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Isn't the stack (single) for'ard of the hangar? Between the SeaRAM positions?
And while looking at the SeaRAMs, don't those overhanging wings, as well as the bridge wings, tend to work against a stealthy design by creating radar traps?
And while looking at the SeaRAMs, don't those overhanging wings, as well as the bridge wings, tend to work against a stealthy design by creating radar traps?
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Czech_pivo said:
Per the attached document (interesting read) the hangar is large enough for 2 WildCat or 1 Merlin. There is also space for UAV's of unspecified type, but apparently lots of space for them. The mission bay can also hold up to 10 20ft. containers, so it appears the mission bay either extends under the hangar and the flight deck or forward(unlikely since the funnels are situated there).
Cheers
edit: the mission bay is the same deck as the hanger and the flight deck. As the document notes, in an extreme case the vessel can carry a second Merlin in the mission bay (not in the hangar).
