Canada's purchase of the Leopard 2 MBT

[Ex-Dragoon]

+1 CSA 105

Folks you heard the man....

Army.ca Staff

 

[gnplummer421]

Wonderful news, love them Leo's. I'm very happy for the Armoured Corps.

Leaving Germany after working on Leo's for four years almost broke my heart, but on this day, I feel a little better. ;D

Gnplummer421

 

[BushmasterBob]

Looks like what I was told at the CFRC over here was true.  100 Leo 2's withing a few months.  200 within a few years  :threat:

 

[Teddy Ruxpin]

What 200?  :

 

[TN2IC]

Command-Sense-Act 105  +10!

I may be not Armour, but sure get along and enjoy being with the black berets.

 

[prom]

I would just like to jump in here to ask if there is any definitive answer as to what type of Leo 2s we are buying.  I've heard 40 2A4's and 40 Leo 2 A6s and support varriants and I've heard all A4s and all A6s.  What I want to know is what exactly are we getting? 

Cheers

from the previous page..... it will be 20 a6 60 a4 and 20 engr varriants

 

[Lance Wiebe]

That's correct.  20 of the A6, and 60 of the A4.  Twenty of the A4 will be brought up to the A6 standard, and will be held in a reserve force.  Of the remaining 40 A4's it appears that 20 will be located in Gagetown and 20 in Wainwright.

Great news for the Armour Corps, for sure.  It breathes new life in to the entire army!

 

[prom]

way out of my lane here now.........


the way i read and seen from press releases and the press conf. is that from the 100, 40 will be upgraded to the A6M standard the first 20 of which will be sent to k'har to replace the "leased" german A6M's. From what I have read here in other threads there is a vast difference from the A4 version to the A6 version, then would it not be more fitting if the entire force (remaining 40) were upgraded to teh A6 standard as well? Leaving teh A6M as a heavy armoured deployable version and all remainders for skill retention and such as they would be idenctical except for some details such as some of the mine protection alterations

 

[Navor86]

Moin
Will those 100 Tanks be put under one Regiment or will they split between Blindee and Strathona?
And maybe a more general Question, how is your Armored Corps organized iirc there are 3 Rgt,but how many Squadrons are in each Rgt?

Greetings

 

[FormerHorseGuard]

question about leased Tanks

if one of those tanks get damaged beyond repair, do we hva eot buy it or just replace it with one of our new to us tanks?

hard to understand the army leasing plans of actual afvs not like them leasing a staff car or?

 

[Trogdor]

So if we are in fact getting 20 A6M's borowed from Germany (that I hope we decide to keep) 40 A4M's, 40 A6's and 20 support varriants from the Dutch, my question is this.  Can we upgrade the A4M's to A6 standards if we wanted to.  I'm very happy we are going to have a modern tank force, however, I'd still like to see all the tanks being at the same level of protection.  Is it technically feasible to upgrade A4M's to A6 standards?!

 

[28402 engineers]

I'm 95% sure that the A4s will be upgraded to A6 standard, and i'm equally as sure that the cost of the upgrades have been incorporatedinto the $650 million that we're paying the dutch.

 

[midget-boyd91]

I'm 95% sure that the A4s will be upgraded to A6 standard, and i'm equally as sure that the cost of the upgrades have been incorporatedinto the $650 million that we're paying the dutch.

40 of them right away ( if I'm recalling the numbers correctly  ) so they can be sent to replace the 20 leased from the Germans. The rest of them will be upgraded soon after.

 

[Mourning]

So if we are in fact getting 20 A6M's borowed from Germany (that I hope we decide to keep) 40 A4M's, 40 A6's and 20 support varriants from the Dutch, my question is this.  Can we upgrade the A4M's to A6 standards if we wanted to.  I'm very happy we are going to have a modern tank force, however, I'd still like to see all the tanks being at the same level of protection.  Is it technically feasible to upgrade A4M's to A6 standards?!

It's how we went from A4 (not A4M btw. I don't think that version exists) to A6, actually the A5 before that (the L55 and some other small improvements followed a little later to complete the improvement to A6-program).

So, yes, that's very well possible. It's what started the program in the first place. To improve the existing Leopard 2A4 MBT fleet to be able to cope with the most difficult circumstances and see what was needed to do that. This was btw a Dutch-German co-program.

Regards,

Mourning  8)

 

[cameron]

Well praise the Lord, its about bloody time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :tank:
Now i think i'll have myself a Guinness (or two) :cheers:

 

[Mourning]

Ok, here's a compilation of YouTube video's:

Leopard 2 general documentaries:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uVXZS6oEhg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86syxIAIKfY&mode=related&search=

Leopard 2 A4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_XP85nlgZo&mode=related&search= (crushing two cars)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG1sUD_NUik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs3oweeEj6A&NR=1

Leopard 2 ARV Buffel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v82USE3Hinc

Leopard 2 A6 and the Swedish Leopard 2 A6(best version in use):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxdEtyxa7Ao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDk5uFSaDNU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhbBWNcV5dA&mode=related&search=

Enjoy!  

Regards,

Mourning  8)

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

This is really good news. I'm glad we're getting them and renewing our tank capability.
Not to derail but I wonder why the DND backgrounder had to include our elected Government's propaganda at the end of it

"This acquisition is a further demonstration of Canada’s New Government’s commitment to renew and transform the Canadian Forces, providing them the equipment they need to do the demanding jobs we as Canadians ask them to do."

Hey I'm a fan but shouldn't we keep that stuff out of departmental briefing notes??

 

[ironduke57]

IMHO an upgrade to A5/A6 is clearly favourably. For example the A4 uses hydraulic for turret traverse and A5/A6 an electric system. Also I am not sure if the not strengthed hydraulics which absorb the back force of the cannon (sorry can´t remember the right english name for it atm) of the A4 can handle the new DM53/63 round´s, so it could be possible that you have to use two different APFSDS ammo type´s, if you don´t upgrade the A4 at least to A5. (Okay you could AFAIK without problems use the old DM33 round with L/55 cannon.) Oh and an APU for the turret would be a really good idea as the turret electronic has sometimes the habit to crash and has to be restarted, when the engine is started.

Regards,
ironduke57 (Hope´s that it is understandable what he write´s.)

edit: @Mourning The STRV122 is not an A6. It is an uparmored A5 with some other modification´s. It still uses the L/44.

 

[Eggy]

There are already leopard 2's in Afghanistan. cough cough 

Those are Leopard 2 "Buffel" ARVs.

 

[Hebridean]

I will withdraw my ludricous comments and suggestions.  Apologies all around to those who took offense.