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CAN Enhanced (Permanent?) Fwd Presence in Latvia
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Its like Linus' security blanket: wont do fuck all, but we all feel better for having it with us...‘Tactical’ aviation
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4 x Griffins don’t give you a whole lot honestly. That’s not necessarily a knock against the platform just its numbers.
4 birds equals basically 1 persistent line of task of 1-2 birds or 1 episodic line of task of 3-4 birds.
You could plan to use them as a persistent CASEVAC LoT from the UMS rearward or maybe as a cued ISR asset to confirm stuff picked up by other ground based assets although I don’t think they have stand-off sensors, ie MX15s anymore.
3-4 birds on an episodic basis are not really enough for much in the way of air movements either although I would expect to see people pretending that using them to insert recce and snipers 5-15km in front of the FEBA is realistic.
Honestly I think the most realistic use would be as CASEVAC from the UMS, Command and Liaison and emergency resupply (maybe).
I could see use as a cued ISR asset maybe if they have or get something akin to the MX15.
4 birds equals basically 1 persistent line of task of 1-2 birds or 1 episodic line of task of 3-4 birds.
You could plan to use them as a persistent CASEVAC LoT from the UMS rearward or maybe as a cued ISR asset to confirm stuff picked up by other ground based assets although I don’t think they have stand-off sensors, ie MX15s anymore.
3-4 birds on an episodic basis are not really enough for much in the way of air movements either although I would expect to see people pretending that using them to insert recce and snipers 5-15km in front of the FEBA is realistic.
Honestly I think the most realistic use would be as CASEVAC from the UMS, Command and Liaison and emergency resupply (maybe).
I could see use as a cued ISR asset maybe if they have or get something akin to the MX15.
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The 147s could do CMERT like they did in Mali. Ironically Chinooks have to slow down to let the Griffons keep up, so it’s funny when the Griffon folks complain about “walking the dog” (escorting the Chinooks) but they can’t keep up and. Have to ask the Chinook what it sees with its MX-15… 
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So what you are saying is that they will be attached to the Service Battalion?
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No, I would see them remaining as an independent detachment tasked by the Bde staff. If they were a CASEVAC LoT I suppose you could maybe consider them as Direct Support to the Bde Field Amb?
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One usually would have a Squadron for a Bde Field Amb /CASH, if one had a real plan for casualties…
I don’t appreciate at lot of the lacking areas of the CA, especially when they are forward deployed near a hostile regime. WRT Spike, I do like the NLOS ER version - but that’s more of a Bde Cav type range. The little Spike to me is more akin to the Eryx, as it rarely hits what it is aimed at, and the warhead has some issues.
A serious Army would have addressed that and conducted a real trial, not listening to glossy brochures and media briefs.
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They likely dug out the notes from the 2006 trial done in gagetown with the Spike, I highly doubt this was a pure reading the brochure purchase
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They have Mx 15s. It’s a pretty good pod. Probably the best thing about the Griphon right now.
I suspect the biggest driver was what production line we could get into.
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Wikipedia says that CANSOFCOM has been using Spike so maybe that eased the decision
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A good vid of RAF Chinook medevac in AFG, pushing up the speed to extract an injured young soldier. This is the MERT model that the RCAF used to develop the CMERT. You can see them leave the Apaches behind a couple of times.
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The trial was in 2001/2 and done with the Brits alongside Javelin.
Javelin won the trial.
I was on that trial. Javelin won.
Did I mention Javelin won?
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From what I recollect CANSOF started using Spike shortly after deploying to Iraq to support the Peshmerga due to the threat from armoured dump trucks etc. I seem to also remember them also divesting the system a few years ago and asking if the Army wanted them, course the Army said no.
In places where it makes sense, like Mali, we (Griffons) were able to take off much earlier on calls than the Chinook to minimize this issue. Ya, our mx is painful, literally.The 147s could do CMERT like they did in Mali. Ironically Chinooks have to slow down to let the Griffons keep up, so it’s funny when the Griffon folks complain about “walking the dog” (escorting the Chinooks) but they can’t keep up and. Have to ask the Chinook what it sees with its MX-15…
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Well in true CA tradition, follow CANSOFCOM to the T, and 4-5 years from now they will have gotten and divested the Spike too
Why can't the same folks who say "No RCAF, you'll take the C-295 and make it work! I don't care that you'd prefer another aircraft!"
...also say "No Army, you wouldn't prefer to go to the field without ANY ATGM system...and no, Tow 2B doesn't count. You'll take the Spike and make it work!"
Where is the parental consistency?
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