CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]

[justmyalias]

http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dgcb-dgras/ps/je-ee/faq/otguao-mjgpmga-eng.asp

Firstly, yay for searching.  I knew it had to be in here somewhere.

If you browse that website coming down from root, you end up at the FAQ where you see " "Occupation Trade Group Update - Active Occupations".  If you click that, the link is broken and it doesn't point to the spreadsheet above...which is strangely actually IN THE SAME section of that FAQ.  Where's the webmaster? hehe.

Anyway,  Thanks for the file & info.

Can I ask, is this it for spec pay?  1 & 2?  There's no classified trades that get anything beyond this?

 

[aesop081]

classified trades

What is a "classified trade" ?

that get anything beyond this?

There is nothing indicated after specialist 2. What does this tell you ?

 

[seawolf]

So there are no Officer trades that get "spec" pay or other incentives?

 

[aesop081]

So there are no Officer trades that get "spec" pay

No.

Certain officer MOS have their own separate pay scale, however (such as pilots, lawyers and doctors).

 

[seawolf]

No.

Certain officer MOS have their own separate pay scale, however (such as pilots, lawyers and doctors).

Yea, i was just wondering if there was anything else. That's ok though.

I assume it's because officer pay is generally higher anyways?

 

[aesop081]

I assume it's because officer pay is generally higher anyways?

No. Officer pay is higher because the responsibilities and scope of employment are much different. Most officer MOS are in a group called "general service officers" so there is no "spec pay" as they are generalists.

NCM trades function in a different way.

That's my Cole's notes explanation.

 

[CombatDoc]

No.

Certain officer MOS have their own separate pay scale, however (such as pilots, lawyers and doctors).

And not to be left out, our Dental Officer colleagues.

 

[babydoc922]

Hi, this has thread has been in limbo for some time. Just before Christmas this message was set out as a update to all Reg F Med Techs.



COMMUNIQUE DIRECTORATE HEALTH SERVICES PERSONNEL 12 December 2012  
SUBJECT Pay Evaluation – Reg F MED TECH (00334)  
Ref: 1727/10 D H Svcs Pers 08 Jan 10  
5555-00334 (DPPD4) 31 Oct 12 (NOTAL)  
DETAILS
The following is the second SITREP on the pay evaluation process for Reg F MED TECH

Despite the satisfaction of previous conditions set by the Directorate Pay Policy Development (DPPD), and their indication that the pay evaluation would continue once 50% of the MED TECH achieved the AEC qualification; DPPD has now indicated that new processes for the allocation of pay groups have been adopted.  Consequently, the pursuit of the MED TECH pay evaluation requires the completion of the MED TECH occupation restructuring.  This initiative includes the development/analysis of the MED TECH occupational jobs which has already commenced and will continue in the new year.  The pay evaluation process will be based on the approved and validated Job Based Specifications/Job Descriptions.  This process is expected to take a minimum of two years. 

Although DPPD is responsible for pay evaluation for the purpose of allocation of trade groups, the Director Health Services Personnel remains committed to the advancement of this high priority file.

Addressees are required to widely disseminate this message to all units to ensure that all MED TECH are informed of the pay evaluation situation.
 




COMMUNIQUE DIRECTION PERSONNEL SERVICES DE SANTE 12 Decembre 2012  
OBJET Évaluation de solde – TEC MED F rég (00334)  
Ref: 1727/10 D Pers SS 08 Jan 10  
DETAILS
Cette missive est la deuxième mise-à-jour concernant le processus d’évaluation de la solde de TEC MED F rég.

La Direction Politique et Développement (Solde) (DPDS) nous a avisé qu’un nouveau visant l’attribution des groupes de solde est présentement en vigueur.  En conséquence, afin de poursuivre le travail en vue de l’évaluation de la solde des TEC MED se poursuivra alors que nous aurons complété la restructuration prochaine du groupe militaire TEC MED.  Cette initiative prévue pour débuter en 2013 comprend le développement/analyse des attributions de travail des TEC MED.  Le processus d’évaluation de la solde sera basé sur l’évaluation des Description de spécification de travail/ Attributions de travail tel qu’approuvées et validées.  Le résultat de la restructuration de ce GPM ne sera pas connu avant au moins deux ans.

Bien que l’évaluation de solde relève de la DPDS, le Directeur Personnel des Services de santé demeure pleinement engagé envers l’avancement de ce dossier.

On demande aux destinataires de disséminer ce message à toutes les unités au sein de leur chaine de commandement afin que tous les TEC MED reçoivent cette mise-à-jour concernant l’évaluation de la solde.

 

[PMedMoe]

So, basically they're still working on it......

Maybe you should have titled your post differently.

 

[Armymedic]

Consequently, the pursuit of the MED TECH pay evaluation requires the completion of the MED TECH occupation restructuring.  This initiative includes the development/analysis of the MED TECH occupational jobs which has already commenced and will continue in the new year.  The pay evaluation process will be based on the approved and validated Job Based Specifications/Job Descriptions.  This process is expected to take a minimum of two years. 

Although DPPD is responsible for pay evaluation for the purpose of allocation of trade groups, the Director Health Services Personnel remains committed to the advancement of this high priority file.

Short form: Keep waiting.

 

[MedCorps]

Short form: Keep waiting.

Sadly yes...

MC

 

[ArmyGuy99]

:crybaby:

Ok, now seriously though, is anyone surprised about this??  It's amazing that as we keep meeting the standard a new one appears.

Hi, this has thread has been in limbo for some time. Just before Christmas this message was set out as a update to all Reg F Med Techs.

Uh, guess we didn't get that memo/e-mail.  Where was the message published to so I can look it up and get it passed around tomorrow at work?

Thanks

 

[medicineman]

My guess is sitting in your RSM's in box...

MM

 

[cfred0912]

Hello,
any news about the spec pay, I'm starting my BMQ in august and trying to do my personal budget (loosing 70k) joining the navy as stolker.

any advise can be good before my swearing on the 29'th of july.

thanks

 

[George Wallace]

Hello,
any news about the spec pay, I'm starting my BMQ in august and trying to do my personal budget (loosing 70k) joining the navy as stolker.

any advise can be good before my swearing on the 29'th of july.

thanks

Don't worry about Spec Pay.  You are not even in yet and you will not be eligible for Spec Pay until you are Trade Qualified.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Just to add a little, you won't qualify for spec pay until you are a Leading Seaman, with is normally around 4 years of service from your enrolment date, as well as having the required qual (normally QL5).

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/caf-community-pay/specialist-pay-reg-force-ncm-mosids.page

 

[Pinggew]

Hello,
any news about the spec pay, I'm starting my BMQ in august and trying to do my personal budget (loosing 70k) joining the navy as stolker.

any advise can be good before my swearing on the 29'th of july.

thanks

Get used to earning 1400 a month at basic.

 

[rabidpiglet]

Can't figure out how to 'insert' ppt slides but this was from a presentation given by the MAR ENG/ET Occ Mgr to the coasts in January. (Note: It is UNCLAS)

Slide 1:
Spec 1 & 2 Pay Review:
Triggered with stand-up of any new occupation
New MARENG occ effective Feb 12 with approval of MESIP:
No pay review since 1975
Disconnect between extant Occ Spec and CBI Spec Pay
Occ Spec – Spec 1 after QL5 & Cert 2
CBI – Spec 1 after QL5

Possible outcomes (know by) of the Spec pay review are:
Yes Spec 1 upon completion of QL5 (Jun 2012) and Yes Spec 2 upon completion of QL6 (Nov/Dec 2012);
Yes Spec 1 upon completion of QL5 (Jun 2012) but No Spec 2 (Nov/Dec 2012);
No Spec 1 upon completion of QL5 (Jun 2012) but Yes Spec 1 upon completion of QL6 (Nov/Dec 2012);
No Spec 1 upon completion of QL5 (Jun 2012) but Yes Spec 2 upon completion of QL6 (Nov/Dec 2012); or
No Spec pay (Nov/Dec 2012).

Slide 2:
So what - using the noted pay review approach means:
If no Spec pay is awarded, post pay review, then there will be no requirement to clawback any pay from any sailor; or
If Spec pay is awarded, any commencement of Spec pay and back-pay to our sailors, who may have qualified for Spec pay during the pay review, should occur within 2 mths (WRT Spec pay start) and within 4 mths (WRT Spec pay back-pay) respectively.

Response - we will have clarity WRT the MARENG Spec 1 & 2 pay review/outcome(s) before end 2012
Less than 11 mths from the MESIP implementation
_______________________________
From me:

Keep in mind, he has covered ALL potential scenarios. I am not a fortune teller but the feeling is that there will be little change when this is done. Again, I am NOT a fortune teller.
For those of you getting your Cert 2/3 (I know you're out there-I've seen the messages) or those getting promoted PO1 - CPO2 (because of the move from PO1 Spec 2 direct to 3rd Incent CPO2) during the review, note the 3rd line of slide 2.

If you have any specific questions, talk to your supervisors or even ask to talk to the CM/Occ Mgr. Barring that, PM me. If you PM me, know that my first question to you will be "Have you checked with your divisional system?"

Pat

Pat, you seem to be a good 'go to' on this subject, but I have noticed that the information has taken a bit of a stand still since your last post from 2012. Now as we enter the last quarter of 2014, has there been any new news on the subject?  Is there anything official that at least lets the community know what the hold up on this is?  I can't say that I mind not having Spec Pay (or knowing if I even still qualify for it).  I am QL5 as of 2013, and I know my next step is completion of my Cert 2.  The part that gets me is that we are left in the dark - this site has been the most informative of all, and it's not even deemed 'official' information.  The only answer I get from my COC is 'when we know more, you will know more', and I have to trust that this is true.  I just think that there are so many decisions being made by our fellow stokers to either leave the trade, or leave the forces all together, and some of the reasons are that they just don't have any answers or feel that we're never going to get an answer.

I want to thank you Pat, and anyone else here that has some direct connection to our trade for posting, but the trade needs something official to be posted on our Forces.Ca site, or an email to all MSE-Eng to let us know that this is either coming to a close soon, or at the very least what is going on.  I think that someone owes the trade at least that, this has been in the dark for us for the last few years with no end in site.

Thank you for your time,

 

[donaldk]

It is a damn shame this STILL hasn't been sorted out yet and I hate still having to give the answer "when I know more, you will know more" to those stokers I are divisionally responsible for.


Just like the HEA issue that took Treasury Board years to sort out, this won't move any faster unfortunately as it still goes by these clowns for approval.

Edit: P.S. note removed...

 

[VanStoker]

Response - we will have clarity WRT the MARENG Spec 1 & 2 pay review/outcome(s) before end 2012
Less than 11 mths from the MESIP implementation

Pat

BUMPP...

Well, I'm the guy who started this thread 2 + years ago...and it's been too long...Still putting up with: "when we know more we'll tell you".

Now my 5's course is in the near future.  Still in the back of my mind, I'm thinking why the hell am I sticking around here when 75% of my peers are disgusted with the Navy.

Do I vot to a spec trade in the air element where I'm sure from all the people I've spoke to that quality of life is much much better... Or do I hang around another two years to become one of those disappointed QL5 graduates who aren't making the money that they deserve?  I picked this trade because of the spec 1 & 2 potentials.

And how long ago was it that I heard this review was almost complete?  And now the news on the block is that it was sent back to Ottawa again to sit on someone's desk for another few years?  What gives?

Pat in Halifax?  Chief Stoker?  NavyShooter?  What do you guys have to say for people in my position today?  And I think telling these young guys not to worry about it because they are still 4 years away from being eligible for spec pay is off the table, when it seems like the ball has bounced back and forth for almost 3 years now.

Anything?