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C3 Howitzer Replacement

And how many Artillery-type systems does Canada have? Something like 39, less 4 sent to the Ukraine. Hardly a footprint, more of a small toe print. C3 Replacement?
Second World War, Arty Regt had 24 guns.

We don't have much of anything, including boots to put on the ground.

If we eventually decide to do something then we are better off making the few pairs of boots we have available as useful as possible.

Parking a brigade in to the trenches at Bakhmut seems to me to be a suboptimal use of Canadians.

On the other hand a Strike Brigade or two might be welcome. Or even a GBAD Brigade. Or a Theatre Support Group based on Mk 41 VLS systems mounted in CSCs and on Trucks.
 
We don't have much of anything, including boots to put on the ground.

If we eventually decide to do something then we are better off making the few pairs of boots we have available as useful as possible.

Parking a brigade in to the trenches at Bakhmut seems to me to be a suboptimal use of Canadians.

On the other hand a Strike Brigade or two might be welcome. Or even a GBAD Brigade. Or a Theatre Support Group based on Mk 41 VLS systems mounted in CSCs and on Trucks.
Asses on the line is what threatened nations show up with. It spreads the risk to populations etc.
 
Asses on the line is what threatened nations show up with. It spreads the risk to populations etc.

I can park 1000 asses in a trench in Bakhmut.

Or I can park 1000 asses in 250 vehicles covering the ground around Bakhmut and calling in precision fires....

You're a Ukrainian commander.... your choice.
 
I can park 1000 asses in a trench in Bakhmut.

Or I can park 1000 asses in 250 vehicles covering the ground around Bakhmut and calling in precision fires....

You're a Ukrainian commander.... your choice.
1,000 Cdn’s in a trench, as It’s 1k less Ukrainians needed to be endangered.

Plus if they get lost Canada sends more.
 
1,000 Cdn’s in a trench, as It’s 1k less Ukrainians needed to be endangered.

Plus if they get lost Canada sends more.

Which do you reckon has the greatest probability of shortening the war and generating a favourable out come?

I'm not convinced 1000 muddy, frozen asses will do that. It took 4 years the first time we tried it.
 
1,000 Cdn’s in a trench, as It’s 1k less Ukrainians needed to be endangered.

Plus if they get lost Canada sends more.
IF Canada ends up in a shooting match with the Russians - when we leave can we bring our interpreters this time please?

Asking for an old guy who's still pissed at Canada's lack of action WRT our Afghan friends.
 
WASHINGTON — The Biden administration on Tuesday approved a $524 million sale of HIMARS mobile artillery systems for Morocco, along with a $250 million sale of guided precision air-to-ground bombs.

The State Department notified Congress on Tuesday of the two proposals that include 18 high mobility artillery rocket systems (HIMARS) launchers, 40 army tactical missile systems (ATACMS), 72 guided multiple launch rocket systems (GMLRS) munitions, 9 HMMWV vehicles and 40 AGM-154C joint standoff weapons (JSOW).

Why it matters:
If approved, the sale would pave the way for the first transfer of HIMARS systems to a North African country. Among Arab states, only Jordan and the United Arab Emirates possess the Lockheed-made system.



Read more: US approves $524 million HIMARS artillery sale to Morocco
 
WASHINGTON — The Biden administration on Tuesday approved a $524 million sale of HIMARS mobile artillery systems for Morocco, along with a $250 million sale of guided precision air-to-ground bombs.

The State Department notified Congress on Tuesday of the two proposals that include 18 high mobility artillery rocket systems (HIMARS) launchers, 40 army tactical missile systems (ATACMS), 72 guided multiple launch rocket systems (GMLRS) munitions, 9 HMMWV vehicles and 40 AGM-154C joint standoff weapons (JSOW).

Why it matters:
If approved, the sale would pave the way for the first transfer of HIMARS systems to a North African country. Among Arab states, only Jordan and the United Arab Emirates possess the Lockheed-made system.



Read more: US approves $524 million HIMARS artillery sale to Morocco

To build up Morrocco as a 'goal keper' for Europe against the spread of AQ/IS throughout Africa, clearly....

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WASHINGTON — The Biden administration on Tuesday approved a $524 million sale of HIMARS mobile artillery systems for Morocco, along with a $250 million sale of guided precision air-to-ground bombs.

The State Department notified Congress on Tuesday of the two proposals that include 18 high mobility artillery rocket systems (HIMARS) launchers, 40 army tactical missile systems (ATACMS), 72 guided multiple launch rocket systems (GMLRS) munitions, 9 HMMWV vehicles and 40 AGM-154C joint standoff weapons (JSOW).

Why it matters:
If approved, the sale would pave the way for the first transfer of HIMARS systems to a North African country. Among Arab states, only Jordan and the United Arab Emirates possess the Lockheed-made system.



Read more: US approves $524 million HIMARS artillery sale to Morocco

Not an ideal internet source, but Popular Mechanics has an article on the Israeli PULS rocket system and compares it to the US HIMARS system. Claims many comparable capabilities and a much cheaper unit price.

An Obscure Israeli Rocket System May Beat the Almighty HIMARS at Its Own Game​

These rocket launchers are more flexible than the U.S.'s wonder weapon. But are they better?
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BY SÉBASTIEN ROBLINPUBLISHED: APR 10, 2023
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The Netherlands is seeking to re-introduce a rocket artillery with a range exceeding 43 miles, a capability its armed forces retired in the 2000s. And it’s bucking the trend of many NATO allies in the process by turning to the more obscure, Israeli-built PULS (Precise and Universal Launch System) instead of the U.S.’s M142 HIMARS system. HIMARS rose to fame after its dramatic debut in the war in Ukraine last summer.

Dutch defense secretary Christophe Van der Maat presented a brief explaining the decision:
“In comparison, with HIMARS, more precision guided missiles are delivered within budget. PULS also has greater operational sustainability because it carries more missiles. The PULS rocket artillery system also has open architecture making it suitable (in the near future) for [new types] of ammunition from European producers. This contributes to increasing the European strategic autonomy.”
Not only were both the launchers and their rocket ammunition found to be much cheaper, but the Israeli weapons could be delivered late 2023 through 2026, while HIMARS would only arrive “significantly later.”



The High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) is a 6x6 truck that can mount a pre-loaded pod of six 227-millimeter M31 GMRL rockets that can be guided to hit targets up to 50 miles away very precisely using GPS coordinates—like a precision air strike minus the planes. That’s proven handy for Ukraine, which doesn’t have air superiority. The 17-ton M142 is a more transportable cousin to the older tracked 26.5-ton M270 MLRS, which carries two of the same type of rocket pods.
The M142 can also launch a single MGM-140 ATACMS tactical ballistic missiles with a range of 190 miles.
In February, the U.S. had authorized the Netherlands to buy 20 M142 HIMARS launchers, 77 loaded rocket pods, ATACMS missile pods, and 17 support vehicles for $670 million. Passing up HIMARS may not have been an easy choice, given the commonality it offered with M270 and HIMARS systems used by NATO allies. The Netherlands, in fact, formerly owned nine M270s itself, meaning it would have some transferrable familiarity with HIMARS.
But price was undoubtedly a big factor in PULS’s favor, with the Israeli contract likely valued at $133 million for 20 launches, as well as missiles and rockets for both combat and training use and ammo-resupply vehicles—roughly one-fifth the cost of the U.S.’s proposed HIMARS sale. The Royal Netherlands Army plans to form two batteries of eight launchers, with another four set aside for training.
However, van der Maat’s report shows the Dutch are setting aside €515.3 million for the procurement, including for potential cost overruns, delays, inflation, and to pay for training simulators, truck integration, communication links, spare part stocks and so forth. The Dutch government also projected operating costs over 15 years will total €168 million.

The Netherlands will initially receive four unmounted PULS launchers in 2023. These will be used for training, and for the engineering and development of their integration onto domestically-built Scania-Gryphus 8x8 trucks already acquired under the DVOW program.
The launchers will then be installed in 2025 or 2026, along with Dutch-specific secured command-and-control systems and datalinks. After entering operational service, Amsterdam plans to fund a Phase 3 upgrade, in which it develops and installs additional customized fire control systems and supports new European-built rockets/missiles “with greater range.”
The Netherlands won’t be the only NATO operator of PULS as, in January, Denmark ordered eight PULS systems, too, which have been seemingly supplied with $70 million worth of Accular-122 rockets (see below). Germany may also be leaning toward a PULS buy, as German firm KMW has partnered with Elbit on rocket artillery. Having nearby allies using the same systems can facilitate efficiencies by maintaining a “use group” that pools spare parts, training and munitions.
But PULS has benefits other than price setting it apart from compared to HIMARS. Primarily, it’s way more flexible.

The Age of HIMARS

Since 2022, the U.S. has donated at least 38 HIMARS systems to Ukraine, armed with GMRLS rockets but not ATACMS missiles. These made a big splash when they became operational, with long-distance strikes in July and August of 2022 evaporating several Russian artillery ammunition depots and killing several high-ranking officers in their command centers. This likely contributed to the petering out of Russia’s initially dangerous summer offensive.

Even now, there’s still no imagery confirming the loss of even one HIMARS launcher, despite Russian claims to have destroyed more than have actually been delivered (and Russia’s military has provided visual proof of the destruction of many other Western artillery systems.) HIMAR’s mobility and reach (combined with decoy targets) has apparently frustrated Russian attempts to hunt them down with kamikaze drones or laser-guided artillery rounds.
These outcomes made the case for HIMARS’s utility, even if they were proven unsustainable as Russian forces withdrew their logistical bases and HQs out of range. Shockingly, Russia’s large rocket artillery arms lack this kind of precision munition for operational use, though its does effectively employ Krasnopol laser-guided howitzer rounds.


Russia’s invasion and HIMARS’s early success have resulted in a queue of new order for HIMARS, including Australia (20), Estonia (6), Latvia (6), Lithuania (8) and Poland—which increased an earlier order of 20 to option purchase of up to 486! Countries with ongoing orders predating the war in Ukraine include Taiwan (11 to 29) and Romania (54),

PULS vs. HIMARS

The case for PULS as an alternative is that it can do many of the same things as HIMARS, for less money and with added functionality. And it mounts two rocket-launching pods to the HIMARS’s one by default. After firing, a new pod can be slotted in under 10 minutes.
Unlike HIMARS, PULS is just a launcher, which can be bolted on a variety of vehicles and allows clients to fit them to those already integrated in their logistics. PULS’s progenitor was the Israeli Military Industry’s 6x6 Lynx multiple-rocket-launcher truck. The IDF’s artillery branch also operates PULS on Oshkosh 8x8 HEMTT trucks under the designation Lahav (blade).
But more importantly, PULS can mount six different classes of guided and unguided ammunition, simply slotted in using pre-loaded pods.

On the light end, it can carry two sealed pods each stuffed with 18 122-millimeter rockets, a caliber used across the globe in Soviet-origin BM-21 Grad rocket artillery. Cheaper unguided Grad rounds can attack targets up to 25 miles way.
The crew can alternately employ an Israeli GPS-guided AccuLAR-122 rocket, also known as Romach (“Lance/spear”), which were procured in 2017 for Israel’s customized M270 Menatetz (“Shatterer”) launcher vehicles.
This has slightly shorter range of 22 miles, but each shot lands on average within 5-10 meters of its target, making it effectively a mini-HIMARs rocket that could be appealing when seeking to minimize risk of collateral friendly/civilian casualties. A fire mission can be executed within one minute of reception, and it comes with both fragmentation and wall-penetrating warheads.


The firepower can be amped up with alternate launch pods, each loaded with 13 160-millimeter rockets (26 in total) from the Israeli LAR-160 rocket system. These have a range of 28 miles, and also come in the guided Accular-160 model with a range of 25 miles.
To hit more distant targets, PULS can mount two pods, each with four 306-millimeter EXTRA guided rockets with 93 mile ranges. To be fair, HIMARS will in a few years match this range, as new GMLRS-ER variant of its 227-millimeter rocket enters production this year.
To go even further, PULS can launch the ATACMS-like Predator Hawk tactical ballistic missile with a range of 186 miles, similar to the U.S. ATACMS. This can hit targets at maximum range in 8 minutes (averaging Mach 1.8) with its 308-pound warhead. Both the EXTRA rocket and Predator HAWK also land on average within 10 meters of target.
Israel’s PULS units can also launch the subsonic Delilah cruise missile, flying much lower and slower, out to 155 miles and with even greater accuracy. The Delilah, however, doesn’t seem to be up for export.
Side by side, PULS can deliver eight 300-millimeter rockets compared to HIMARS’s six 227-millimeter ones. Or it can carry four tactical missiles instead of HIMARS’s one.
And compared to Soviet-era artillery systems, the PULS can deliver effects similar to the BM-21, BM-27 and BM-30 rocket systems as well as the older OTR-21 Tochka ballistic missile.
That means the same launcher can be used for a wide range of different missions, from precision strikes targeting depots, air defense and HQs behind enemy lines, to point targets near the frontline and old-school saturation bombardments across a broad area.
HIMARS, and the beefier M270, still have other factors in their favor. They will both be compatible with a forthcoming longer-range Precision Strike Missile under development. They have also been battle tested in the high intensity conflict in Ukraine, following successful deployment of HIMARS in Iraq and Syria in the anti-ISIS war.

The EXTRA and LAR-160 rockets have seen some combat use. Georgian LAR-160s reportedly proved effective hitting Russian supply convoys during 2008 Russo-Georgian war. This system and the EXTRA rocket were also used by Azerbaijani forces during the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war. Both sides extensively used rocket artillery, including LAR-160s, for indiscriminate long-distance attacks on civilians, including use of cluster bombs.

Strategy and Politics

Major weapon buys are inevitably fraught with politics. Notably, Israel will not authorize direct sale or third-party donation of PULS or other defense products to Ukraine, fearing Russian retaliation in the forms of arms transfers to Iran or Syria.
Amsterdam is hardly spurning Uncle Sam, though—the PULS purchase comes alongside announced plans to purchase AGM-158B JASSM-ER stealth cruise missiles for the Netherland’s planned fleet of 52 F-35 stealth fighters, and Tomahawk naval cruise missiles for Dutch submarines and De Zeven Provincien-class frigates.
These big buys will be funded with a temporary 40 percent surge in defense spending, amounting to €5 billion euros per a 2022 Defense White Paper.
The Dutch military’s focus on these long-range weapons shows how war in Ukraine has persuaded many policy makers of the importance of diverse, conventional long-distance strike weapons in 21st century warfare. Such capabilities had ample precedents, but widespread availability of GPS guidance, the decline of arms control treaties, and hugely improved satellite and drone reconnaissance for target acquisition make such arms more effective, affordable, and accessible than before.
 
More on the missile front

Australian Missile Corporation


A Standard Missile Factory


A Tomahawk Missile Factory

 


And.....

3D printed inconel Hypersonic missile

three-meter-long
launched on a rocket
glides back to Earth
620-mile range
400-second flight time
modular payload bay that can carry up to 20 pounds.

Oh. And Hydrogen powered (green hydrogen no less)

Australian Startup Scores Big U.S. Hypersonics Contract​

4/14/2023
By Stew Magnuson
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Hypersonix Launch Systems illustration

GEELONG, Australia — The Defense Innovation Unit chose four-year-old Australian startup Hypersonix Launch Systems for its highly competitive Hypersonic and High-Cadence Airborne Testing Capabilities, or HyCAT, program.

DIU selected Hypersonix from 63 respondents to the agency’s September 2022 HyCAT solicitation seeking vehicles usable for high-cadence, long endurance testing of: hypersonic platforms and components; sensors for detecting and tracking; and systems for communications, navigation, guidance and control, a statement said.

It was a big win for a non-U.S.-based contractor.

The company was founded in 2019 by former classmates and engineers Michael Smart, the chief technology officer, and managing director David Waterhouse, said Nina Patz, head of marketing and business development for the company, prior to the announcement in an interview at Avalon — The Australian Air Show.

Smart was working on scramjet engines with NASA until 2004, when the United States all but abandoned hypersonics research. He returned to Australia to teach the subject at the university level for 15 years while working on his concept for his Spartan scramjet engine. Waterhouse was a satellite engineer prior to joining the company.

DIU requested a vehicle capable of operating in a “representative environment” that can maintain speeds greater than Mach 5 with a maneuverable/non-ballistic flight profile and at least a three-minute flight duration with near-constant flight conditions. DIU also wants the flights to be repeated at short intervals, a company statement said.

A scramjet engine relies on supersonic speeds to compress and ignite fuel. The Hypersonix Spartan engine is part of the entirely 3D-printed Dart-AE hypersonic aircraft, Patz said. It can go as fast as Mach 7, which exceeds the DIU specifications.

Deepak Basra, head of the company’s U.S. division, said except for the electronics, the engine and vehicle are all 3D printed using Inconel, a patented nickel-chromium-based super alloy produced by U.S.-based Special Metals Corp. The alloy has been used in many rocket programs, he added.

Another unique characteristic of the DART-AE compared to other scramjet-based vehicles is that it runs on “green” hydrogen fuel rather than kerosene, she said. Hydrogen is self-igniting, she noted.

Kerosene fuels are not self-igniting, “so you’ve got one chance for them to light or not. And at $1.2 billion a launch, that's very expensive,” she said. Hydrogen allows the engine to be turned on and off during flight — meaning it can slow down, then go faster — another unique characteristic that could make the vehicle harder to track, she said.

Hypersonix already had three test flights planned — two in the United States and one in Australia — beginning in 2024, and all taking place within 18 months, Patz said. The company is still seeking a launch provider, she added.

The three-meter-long vehicle currently must be launched on a rocket and then glides back to Earth, reaching its high speeds. It has a 620-mile range and 400-second flight time, a statement said. DART-AE also has a modular payload bay that can carry up to 20 pounds.

The company is exploring other ways to launch and recover the vehicle as well. It’s too small to have landing gear, so engineers are looking at “catching it” or parachutes, she said.

“This is our first major contract and a key step in our commercialization process — we couldn’t be happier. This puts Australia one step closer to being a major player in the international space race,” Waterhouse said in a statement.

“Our longer-term focus is to capture a slice of the emerging multi-billion-dollar commercial market for deployment of small satellites, but clearly Australia’s strategic defense allies see immediate potential in our technology,” he added.

The Australia-United Kingdom-United States, or AUKUS, agreement, which would have the three nations build nuclear-powered submarines for Australia, also calls for cooperation in a host of emerging technologies, including hypersonics.

Australia and the United States are already partners in developing an air-launched hypersonic cruise missile under the Southern Cross Integrated Flight Research Experiment, or SCIFiRE, program, which is a Mach 5-class precision strike missile that is propulsion-launched and powered by an air-breathing scramjet engine.

 
Based on the vote of confidence from this gunner, at about 3.30, we could re-equip ourselves with 105mm


 
Based on the vote of confidence from this gunner, at about 3.30, we could re-equip ourselves with 105mm


We have 105s. Thanks very much.

A few observations:

Gun drill poor. Poor rate of fire. Looks to me like its under manned, maybe 4 guys top when it needs seven. You can point and shoot but not a high volume.

No sign of other guns (such as nearby firing) seem deployed in singles and doing sniper hunting, not really massing fires.

Low stocks of ready ammo. Supports the general concept of snipping.

Not a shoot and scoot operation. They're dug in pretty solidly and there seems to be no "sense of urgency" to get the rounds down range and get out.

Not a 100% sure about the "observer". Seems to be operating a drone from the gun position rather than forward with the supported arms. Speaks of something other than your normal close support concept. Could be an outgrowth of the static nature of this fight. Large screen monitor is interesting and speaks of a degree of permanence a bit behind the lines.

Interesting comments about Russian groups now being one or two-man movements.

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The service (US Army) plans to ramp up GMLRS production from 6,000 rockets a year to 14,000


Euro GMLRS

 
The service (US Army) plans to ramp up GMLRS production from 6,000 rockets a year to 14,000


Euro GMLRS


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