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Son of H. Jones gets a battalion. Now I feel REALLY old...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article836340.ece
 
The following, which was taken from the on line edition of The Daily Telegraph, is reproduced under the approraite section of the Copyright Act. It paints a dreary picture of the state of the British army and especially the infantry.

More than one in three soldiers who sign up to serve in the infantry are quitting before the end of the tough 24-week training course or else fail to meet the minimum standard required by the Army.

The figures, which show the number of recruits who drop out rising sharply over the past four years, have emerged only days after a Ministry of Defence report revealed that the Armed Forces are now more than 5,000 men and women under strength.

 
The infantry must recruit and train at
least 5,000 new men a year


The growing casualty rate in Iraq and Afghanistan, where a soldier and a Royal Marine were killed last week, and the low pay of trained infantry soldiers have been identified as factors persuading recruits to leave early.

It is also understood that Army recruiters are struggling to find young men and women of the right physical and mental calibre, robust enough to cope with the demanding training. One defence source told The Sunday Telegraph that the average reading age of recruits, who join on average at the age of 18, was just 11.

In 2004, just over one in four, or 26.4 per cent, of recruits left the Army before the end of their recruit training. Bt that figure jumped to more than one in three, or 34.6 per cent, last year.

Although recruiting increased by 18 per cent last year with 16,000 new personnel joining the Army, more than 20,000 troops left the force, resulting in a significant troop deficit.

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What will worry defence chiefs most is the fact that the drop-out rate in the infantry is increasing despite major improvements to the recruits' training conditions, living accommodation and welfare.

The Army Infantry Training Centre in Catterick, North Yorkshire, which had been previously implicated in bullying scandals, has been completely refurbished and recruits now have more TVs, DVD players, carpeted rooms and more privacy.

To maintain the current strength of the infantry - the troops who have been most in demand since the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and now widely deployed in southern Afghanistan - the infantry must recruit and train at least 5,000 new men a year, a target the MoD now acknowledges it has failed to meet for the past five years.

Overall, the Army is short of 3,800 soldiers but it is the infantry, which should be composed of 25,000 soldiers, where the crisis is hitting hardest. Almost every one of the infantry 36 battalions are under strength. 16 Air Assault Brigade, one of the most prestigious units in the Army, is almost 500 men under strength and could face significant challenges when it deploys to Helmand, in Afghanistan, next month.

The problems of overstretch have been further exacerbated by the fact that of the 98,000 soldiers in the Army, 7,000 are unfit for duty.

It is now widely accepted by both General Sir Richard Dannatt, the chief of the general staff, and Des Browne, the defence secretary, that the increasing operational demands being placed on an ever decreasing number of soldiers is damaging to morale.

In a report leaked to The Sunday Telegraph last year, General Sir Richard Dannatt, the chief of the defence staff, said: "The long-term impact of operating above Defence Planning Assumptions (DPAs) is damaging and I understand that we are mortgaging the goodwill of our people in doing this."

Last night Patrick Mercer, the Tory MP and a former infantry commander, said: "Today's recruits need more careful handling and to be looked after better. More time needs to be invested to get the recruits to the required standard. Unfortunately there is a rush to get recruits into units that are over-stretched.

"But the Army cannot afford to blame society. It has to come up with the answers. There are youths out there looking for a challenge and we've got to find them and convince them to tough it out. The welfare standards have to rise. The recruits expect more contact with their families today and better pay."

The military has tried to stem the flow of people leaving with a range of initiatives. Infantry soldiers are being paid £4,500 to sign on for an extra two years' service and pilots will receive £50,000 for signing on for five years.

Desperately needed submariners are being offered £25,000 for four years service and similarly new nurses will receive £25,000 on signing up for a further three years.

The Forces have also been given above-inflation pay rises for the past two years, an operations allowance worth £2,500 and council tax rebates.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence said: "The latest manpower figures released this week show that over 1,700 more people have completed training and moved into the strength of the Army in 2007 compared to the same period in 2006. There are a number of reasons why a new recruit may not complete training, but the Army Infantry Training Centre is currently looking at new ways to help recruits complete the full course."
 
Let's face it, the youth of today are softer than their forefathers.  They are smarter (better educated at least) and question authority much more than in the past.... "shut up and just do what you're told" doesn't cut it as well as in the past.
 
geo said:
Let's face it, the youth of today are softer than their forefathers.  They are smarter (better educated at least) and question authority much more than in the past.... "shut up and just do what you're told" doesn't cut it as well as in the past.

Funny, I heard exactly the same thing in the 80s, then along came the Falklands War to prove us wrong. And if you look at the battels being fought now in central Asia, you wouldn't argue about how tough these guys (and girls) are. As always, it's the leadership IMHO.
 
Youths coming into the forces are "softies"... the end product is "tough"....
There's a ways to go to get from one to the other though.

+1  Too true about the leadership - Piss poor leadership will result in piss poor performance.
 
It looks like I am the bad news guy today. The following was received via the gunner net:

Lovely new aircraft carrier, sir, but we’re fighting in the desert
Money is squandered on equipment that is useless in either Iraq or Afghanistan - or in any foreseeable theatre
Simon Jenkins
While Lord Justice Scott Baker officiates each week at the Diana inquest benefit gala for tabloid lawyers at the Royal Courts of Justice, a more poignant inquest is enacted in the leafy lanes of Oxfordshire. The bodies of servicemen killed in Iraq and Afghanistan are brought here to Brize Norton airbase and their families are consoled with the brief dignity of an “unlawful killing” verdict.

Here, too, incredulous coroners hear tales of ill-prepared, underequipped soldiers stumbling back from what might be a modern Crimea.

They hear of failed helicopters, unguarded vehicles, lack of body armour and poor medical support. “Unforgivable and inexcusable . . . a breach of trust” were words used of the defence ministry by Andrew Walker, the coroner, last week after another tale of woe.

Britain’s military establishment is plunged into battle over what has been dubbed its “train crash” budget. The Treasury has demanded £1 billion a year in cuts to amend for what appears to be grotesque cost indiscipline. Every lobby has been summoned to the colours: defence correspondents, retired generals, MPs for army constituencies and the Royal United Services Institute. The blood-stained shrouds of Brize Norton are waved across Whitehall.

What is clear is that this government made a colossal error on coming to power in 1997-8. In the Strategic Defence Review (on whose lay committee I served), George Robertson, the then defence secretary, and John Reid and John Gilbert, his junior ministers, flatly refused an open discussion. Having been told to “think the unthinkable”, the review’s authors were told that the three biggest and most contentious procurement items inherited from the Tories were sacred.

They were the Eurofighter project (£15-£20 billion), the new aircraft carriers (£4 billion) and their frigate escorts, and a replacement for the Trident missile and its submarines (£20 billion). These pet projects of the Royal Navy and RAF were protected so new Labour would not appear soft on defence. There was no consideration given to the equipment needs of Tony Blair’s more interventionist foreign policy. The government decided, in effect, to pretend that it was still fighting the Russians (and possibly the Germans).

Those decisions locked the procurement budget for more than a decade. Above all they shut out the army, on which British defence activity has depended ever since. The army’s unglamorous but urgent need for battlefield helicopters and armoured personnel carriers was ignored. So, too, were supplies of such things as grenade launchers, field radios, body armour and night-vision equipment. This year the Eurofighter, carrier and Trident projects all came on stream at £5 billion annually between them and the defence budget has hit the predictable wall.

The first to howl are the chiefs of staff. It is customary at such times for them to stand as one, arms linked like Roman legions in a square. Yet they will never adjudicate on priorities. An admiral will not doubt (in public) the RAF’s need for more jet fighters. A general will never question the need for carriers. An air marshal will cast no aspersions on Trident. All they will do is sing in unison, “No defence cuts”.

Nor do ministers dare to take painful decisions for them. Every cut is across the board. Gordon Brown has let it be known that there must be no talk of cancellations, only postponements. Carriers may be delayed, Astute-class submarines may be reduced from eight to four and Type 45 destroyers from 12 to six. The number of Eurofighter Typhoons on order may be slashed. Strategy can go to the wall but not politics. As one sceptic said last week, “The chiefs have planned to go on fighting the Russians, but to lose.”

During the apartheid regime in South Africa I had a contact in the state arms manufacturer, Armscor, who constantly sang the praises of sanctions. He said, “They have stopped the chiefs of staff from buying glamour kit they don’t need, such as ships and planes, and forced them to develop stuff they do.” South Africa duly made the best field artillery gun in the world (the 155mm G5), the best armoured vehicles (Ratel and Eland) and the best desert boots.

Every debate over British military equipment veers off into chauvinism, into “sovereignty of supply”, British jobs and political image. That is why the army must wait until 2011 for a new flight of British-built Lynx helicopters (at £14m each) instead of buying the bigger American Sikorsky (at £6m) available this year. How many men will die for this crass decision?

As Lewis Page, a former naval officer, claims in his book Lions, Donkeys and Dinosaurs, the defence ministry probably spends two to three times overall what it needs for its equipment. It admits that landing ships are running at 80% over the original price. The biggest current excesses are on Type 45 destroyers and nuclear submarines. More than 10% of the defence budget goes on such procurement overruns. There is the crisis in a nutshell.

It is perhaps no surprise that Lord Drayson, the procurement minister, recently vanished to become a racing driver rather than try to reform a system in which nobody accepts accountability or blame for the most scandalous mismanagement. Weak ministers adhere to the principle of letting each service have its share of expensive kit, because anything else would mean an almighty row.

The old Spanish practices are still in place: Buggins’ turn between army, navy and air force as chief of the defence staff, a comfortable overseas attaché network and uniformed officers shadowing Whitehall civil servants. According to Page there are still more admirals ashore than ships afloat, more air marshals than squadrons aloft.

Britain is still buying weapons of little or no relevance. Carriers, destroyers, frigates and submarines date from the days of food convoys and empire. Interceptor jets are fighting the battle of Britain. Every modern British war is fought by the army (even the Falklands), for which the navy and air force should be refashioned as subordinate services.

The reason this does not happen, in Britain as in America, was well stated in “Kagan’s law”. When the military is asked if it wants more soldiers or a new plane and is told it must choose one, it always chooses the plane. A large item of kit does not talk, lives in a hangar, takes longer to deliver (and pay for) and has fancier lobbyists. Hence there is always upward pressure on naval and air spending and downward pressure on the poor bloody infantry.

The latest version of Labour’s interventionism, adumbrated by David Miliband, involves offering “security guarantees” to unstable democratic regimes to protect them from insurgency. Such wars do not require carriers, nuclear submarines or jet fighters. They require the one thing the government puts lowest on its priority list, a well equipped and highly mobile army.

That army, undermanned and ill equipped, is now engaged in the government’s service in Iraq and Afghanistan. When a British soldier deploys to the front, his or her family receives a letter from the defence secretary promising that he has taken “all measures possible to ensure that the equipment issued to the UK armed forces is both right for the job and right for them”.

This is simply not true. To take one example, a recent article in the Journal of the Royal Army Medical Corps pointed out that British troops were taking longer to get to a field hospital than it took the Americans in Vietnam. Two hours’ delay in Iraq has become seven hours in Helmand. This often fatal delay is almost entirely due to the lack of helicopters, caused by a shortage not of money but of ministry competence.

The British Army is fighting in two countries against forces whose equipment is primitive and who have never posed any military threat to Britain. In both it is losing. Money is squandered on equipment that is useless in either theatre - or in any foreseeable one. For want of that money, equipment vital to victory is forgone.

In a sane world this might be cause for a revision of priorities within the defence establishment. Instead, the brass hats continue to squabble to protect their precious toys and politicians lack the guts to bang their heads together.

It was the sort of thing that made the Iron Duke weep

- simon.jenkins@sunday-times.co.uk
 
OMG, talk about singing from the same hymnbook!
Big ticket items abound while troopers are/were neglected & told to make do with what they have/had....

In Canada, it took a straight talking CDS to put us +/- back on track and give the soldier his due.

WRT Britain's future decision to cancell 6 of their type 45 destroyers and a couple of their Astute submarines.... it might pay Canadian politicians to look into some of these programs - split the cost... and avoid some of the development time & costs.
 
Things don't change much.

Land armies have always played 2nd fiddle to the Navy and Air Force in the UK, a 'non-mainland' European country, primarily because they were not essential for national survival, unlike countries like France, Germany and Russia who have been invading each other for centuries. The need for large and well equipped armies in mainland Europe was so pronounced that they even implemented conscription to ensure that they had enough foot soldiers.

Blame the English Channel (the world's largest tank trap) if you like, but the patterns set up centuries ago continue to play out in modern times: the best Imperial Defence was always seen as a strong Navy (and now Air Force). The Falkalnds War reinforced that belief as it would never have been fought without a viable deep water Navy and a modern, high performance Air Force. You could argue that Canada and the USA have adopted a similar pattern thanks to our colonial origins, and the lack of a significant land based threat to the nation.

And then there's the Army tradition of whingeing about how bad they have it all the time. I remember that one of our mottoes was: "The Parachute Regiment: Every Man A Whimperer". That doesn't change much either!
 
Okay there is some nonsense in that article. Jenkins mentions the South African Ratel and Eland being two of the best armoured vehicles in the world. The Ratel was/is a great vehicle , and certainly South African, but the Eland was nothing more than a licence-produced version of the French Panhard AML. It was obsolete by the 1980s and replaced in operational units by Ratel-90s because of its poor cross-country performance. As for desert boots..don't what he's talking about. Never seen or heard of any SA soldier in the 70s or 80s wearing any boots but the normal issued brown leather boots.
 
Interesting...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/simon_jenkins/article3423663.ece

Sorry folks- duplicate post. However, the points made in the article are still worth noting.

 
Brit forces in rendition claim

Published: 25 Feb 2008

A FORMER SAS soldier will claim today that British special forces are being used to detain suspects for extraordinary rendition.

Ben Griffin says the Government is “deeply involved” in the process, in which US forces have transported terror suspects around the world for interrogation.

He left the Army on moral grounds at the beginning of last year after three months in Baghdad, saying he disagreed with the “illegal” tactics of US troops.

Last week Foreign Secretary David Miliband told MPs in the Commons that two US rendition flights transporting terrorist suspects had landed on UK soil.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article843390.ece
 
I was fined for showing pride in my regiment
Feb 11 2008 by Tina Miles, Liverpool Echo

A RETIRED Royal Marine has been fined by police for showing loyalty to his regiment.

Grandfather-of-two David Horlick had a Marine replica badge printed on his car number plate to recognise his service with the Royal Naval School of Music. But the 74-year-old was reduced to tears when two officers gave him a fixed penalty ticket outside his Walton home.

They told the widower he had to remove the illegal plate bearing the insignia of the Marines and pay the £30 fine, or go to court. Mr Horlick said: “I didn’t think I was doing anything wrong. I wanted the replica badge on the number plate because my late wife Connie was very proud of the fact I was a Royal Marine.

“I had seen Liverpool and Everton supporters put their badge on their car registration plates, which is understandable. As an ex-Royal Marine I wanted my badge there.

“I paid the fine and removed the plate, but I feel hard done to.” Police said the officers were following strict regulations, and registration plates were allowed to display only “an acceptable international symbol or flag.”

Acting Inspector Steve Hardy of the roads policing department, said: “Merseyside police prides itself on setting and maintaining the highest standards of professionalism and quality of service.

“We understand this gentleman’s frustration and we will of course look into the reasons behind this decision, but according to the regulations registration plates are only permitted to display an acceptable international symbol or flag.

“By ensuring every road user abides by the law it then allows the technology we have to work more efficiently.”

Government laws established in October allow only “an acceptable international symbol or flag.”

Number plates can include a European Union symbol, Union flag, Scottish Saltire, Cross of St George or Red Dragon. The law bans football crests.

tinamiles@liverpoolecho.co.uk

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/02/11/i-was-fined-for-showing-pride-in-my-regiment-100252-20459933/
 
The struggle and the danger go on and on

We are out on our last night patrol with the Royal Marines, and about to receive a bleak reminder of the risks and dangers British forces face on the ground in Afghanistan.

It is 5am and we have been on the move for almost two hours, a large force of Marines from 40 Commando and Afghan National Army soldiers advancing in silence across the moonlit plain to the north of Kajaki Dam.

We are nearing our objective, and about to cross the last piece of open ground under cover of darkness, ready to take cover and assault our target compound in Taliban territory at first light.

Without warning, the loud thump of an explosion rolls across the plain, from somewhere close by to our left.

There are whispered discussions over what the explosion may have been. Possibly the sound of artillery miles away, one Marine suggests hopefully?

No, his colleagues insist. It was too close.

'I'm hoping nobody's going to tell me someone's stepped on a mine or an IED [improvised explosive device]', says Sergeant Dominic 'Dozza' Conway, of 7 Troop, Charlie Company.

His radio earpiece chatters into life, and Dozza's worst fears are confirmed. A minestrike. There are at least two casualties, one of them in Category 1 - critical.

The Incident Response Team [IRT] casualty evacuation helicopter has already been requested from Camp Bastion, some 50 miles away.

As we wait for more information the more experienced Marines are already predicting the mission will have to be aborted, or ****-canned, as they put it.

The explosion means any hope of surprise is gone. Intelligence has already indicated that the Taliban heard the blast, the commander has alerted his troops, promised them reinforcements and talked of moving rockets forward to attack the IRT helicopter if it appears.

With Charlie Company's medics busy dealing with the casualties the Officer Commanding, Major Duncan Manning, will think twice before moving more troops forward towards a prepared enemy.

http://hickleyblog.dailymail.co.uk/2007/12/index.html
 
Been there, had soldiers who did that, charged them..... geez, doesn't anything change in 20 - ish years?

Soldiers amok in the buff

A group of drunken British soldiers went amok in a bar in northern Norway earlier this week, stripping off their clothes and ultimately urinating on the floor and each other.
The decidedly un-gentlemanly like behaviour shocked other bar patrons, many of whom had been harassed by the soldiers before they launched into their striptease.

Cecilie Kleppe, age 29, told newspaper VG that the soldiers had been bothering several of the female patrons in the bar before they suddenly shouted "naked bar" and stripped off all their clothes.

"Some of them even started waving their private parts at the other guests," Kleppe told VG. "Two of the Englishmen urinated on a fellow soldier who was lying on the floor. It was disgusting."
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article2285603.ece
 
Grenadier Guards Battle Flag Bottoms Tattooed 3 Comrades Killed in Afghanist


A BAND of elite Queen’s guards have had their battle flag tattooed on their BOTTOMS in memory of three comrades who died fighting in Afghanistan.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article864110.ece
 
Soldiers will do.... what soldiers do.

No point in our civy bretheren trying to figure it out.
 
... or no point for non-students to try to figure out why students do some of the things that happen
during some parties or initiations...  :D
 
BBC NEWS Business Air tanker deal provokes US row



Boeing's loss of a $40bn contract to build a new in-flight refuelling aircraft for the US military has drawn angry protests in Congress.
Lawmakers from Washington state and Kansas, which have big Boeing plants, voiced "outrage" that it had gone to a consortium including Europe's Airbus.

The planes will be assembled in Alabama but constructed largely in Europe.

Boeing has said it is awaiting an explanation from the military before deciding whether or not to appeal.


"We are outraged that this decision taps European Airbus and its foreign workers to provide a tanker to our American military"
Statement by congressional lawmakers from the Seattle area



The new aircraft, named the KC-45A by the US Air Force, is based on the Airbus A330 and will be manufactured in partnership with US defence firm Northrop Grumman.

Its job will be to refuel the vast array of US warplanes and the contract is worth in the region of $40bn over 15 years.

It is a huge blow for Boeing, the BBC's Vincent Dowd reports from Washington.

America has around two-thirds of all such aircraft in use anywhere, and a senior figure in the company said recently if it lost this contract it could be out of the refuelling market totally for years.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/business/7272272.stm
 
Heh.... while US manufacturers flog their products overseas, they get upset when the local customer decides that someone else has built a better mouse trap..... go figure ???
 
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