Army Communication & Information Systems Specialists (Sig Op, Lineman and LCIS Amalgamation)

[tsokman]

What if your not chosen for tech(even if youre enrolling as an LCIS Tech) and you dont want to be a sig op or lineman...

 

[PMedMoe]

What if your not chosen for tech(even if youre enrolling as an LCIS Tech) and you dont want to be a sig op or lineman...

Then you don't put down any other trade choices besides LCIS Tech.  If you're not chosen, then I guess you don't get in.

You really need to get yourself to a recruiting centre.  :

 

[Occam]

Then you don't put down any other trade choices besides LCIS Tech.  If you're not chosen, then I guess you don't get in.

You really need to get yourself to a recruiting centre.  :

He means under the new trade structure, Moe....not under the old. 

 

[PMedMoe]

He means under the new trade structure, Moe....not under the old.

Oops, my bad.    :-\  Don't join then.  Seems like this is the way the trade is going.

 

[Jammer]

Just so we're clear on this
The initial writing board has finished. There is another one happening in the near future. The TP isn't even written yet either, so NO ONE has any idea yet how this whole ACCIS scheme will look in it's final form.

 

[PuckChaser]

What if your not chosen for tech(even if youre enrolling as an LCIS Tech) and you dont want to be a sig op or lineman...

You can Occupational Transfer between the elements. Keep in mind that if you're going to be slotted based on your abilities and the needs of the trade. I hardly see you having a problem with being a Tech, they're in as bad shape as SigOp is. All the new folks will end up streamed that way I bet.

 

[tsokman]

LCIS Tech was the only trade I interviewed for and found suitable...but im entering unskilled with no electronics background...how difficult would it be to CT to Comm Research Operator if one is not chosen as a tech or completely OT to another branch...Considering the timelines I may be among the first batch of ACISS NCM's; but I dont want to be enrolling as an LCIS Tech and end up as something else....That would suck....would they force you to stay in the C and E branch...Or if I wasnt chosen for LCIS tech I would rather OT right out of the C and E branch into some other tech or engineering trade...

Will there be an ACISS officer as well or will it remain Sig Officer...

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Aside from any School/Branch directives or policies, doing an Occupational transfer in your case would likely go as follows:

1.  You fail the MOC trg and would likely go to see a PSO (Personnel Selection Officer) and have to pick from a list of trades that have opening from the Reassignment List (published monthly IIRC), of course your CFAT scores would affect what ones you might qualify for.

2.  You haven't completed your QL3 yet and are somewhere between BMQ-QL3 qualified.  You would submit a request for MOC reassignment BEFORE you were QL3 qualified and submit if up your CoC.  It would be reviewed by the proper authorities (PSO, DMCA, Career Manager shop, etc) and be approved/denied.  This would be in accordance with CFA0 11-12 Occupation Transfer of NCM - Regular Force.

3.  You complete 48 months of service, have a QL5 qualficiation level, and apply for one of the Occupation Transfer programs (COTP, VOT) again IAW CFA0 11-12.

4.  You don't like any of those options, and do not enrol, or put in a VR before completing trg, again it would go thru your CoC and a decision would be made.

I'll say this...you are making a judgement on the work of an LCIS Tech and SigOP without having done, or even *seen*, that work at this point in time.  Both those trades, to some extent, work together to achieve a common goal; communications for the unit(s) they support.

Keep an open mind.  You may find that if you ended up on the *tech* side, you wish you were on the Operator side.  But you'll never know until you get there.  I thought I was going to like my last MOC ( a tech trade) and I didn't once I got there.  I wasted mine and the CFs time and money.

Don't shut your eyes to any aspects of the C & E branch, thats my advice.  Something drew you to it in the first place, right?

 

[tsokman]

Yes I was drawn by LCIS Tech..but if the whole C and E branch is undergoind osmosis it makes it all the more fascinating...but thats why I asked if the technology manager was a synthetic position...Would it be possible for one to move between tech and operator under the new ACISS framework or would one have to wait until the tech manager position...

 

[Jammer]

As I said before, it remains to be seen how ACCIS will develop. No one can say with any accuracy how the selections for what trade will be determined.
The timeline for this has been pushed way the the right.
Before you commit to any trade, make sure its what you want...really want, because if you change your mind during any point in your training you will most likely find yourself rotting on PAT platoon for quite some time before any change in your status is processed

 

[Occam]

Yes I was drawn by LCIS Tech..but if the whole C and E branch is undergoind osmosis

It's not the whole C&E branch.  ATIS Tech and Comm Research are not involved with MES. 

(Some might add in a "Thank %deity%!" after that statement)

 

[tsokman]

ok thanks...I know I want LCIS tech...I have spent some time researching almost every aspect of the trade and Im fascinated by it as a profession in the CF...It had all the mixes I wanted in a trade...Hopefully, I wont encounter any problems during training.

 

[Dean22]

When will this take place?

For example will Sig Ops/Linemen/LCIS techs be effected by this now or in 1 year or 2?

Or will this transition take place in as little as a few months.

Also, will this amalgamation happen in the regulars more so in the reserves? I can imagine how the reserves might have a problem combining all three especially with the current budget issues across Canada and the lack of instruction/experience to make all three trades into one viable.

 

[Michael OLeary]

When will this take place?

For example will Sig Ops/Linemen/LCIS techs be effected by this now or in 1 year or 2?

Or will this transition take place in as little as a few months.

Also, will this amalgamation happen in the regulars more so in the reserves? I can imagine how the reserves might have a problem combining all three especially with the current budget issues across Canada and the lack of instruction/experience to make all three trades into one viable.

It would appear from Reply #144 that the details are still being worked out:

Just so we're clear on this
The initial writing board has finished. There is another one happening in the near future. The TP isn't even written yet either, so NO ONE has any idea yet how this whole ACCIS scheme will look in it's final form.

It may be some time before anyone can answer your questions with certainty.

 

[Swingline1984]

It may be some time before anyone can answer your questions with certainty.

I certainly hope not  .  The school starts teaching ACCIS this summer, and with the amalgamation happening 1 Jan 11, someone must have a clue as to how it will be implemented (the CoC has been terrible at getting the info out; the MES briefings left more questions than answers).

 

[PuckChaser]

I have a feeling once the TP is hammered out, then we'll find out the implementation plan. There's no sense in building a plan to put people places, unless they know exactly what each course and each sub occ is going to learn at the school. You'd be putting the cart before the horse.

 

[Swingline1984]

Puckchaser is right of course.  I am looking forward to see what will be done for conversion training etc., especially for those of us who are not as well rounded as should be required to be a CISTM.  I'm still not convinced that this is the right solution, and I am still trying to figure out how it will solve retention issues, but have resigned myself to see how it will pan out (not like I have a choice  ;D).  This grasshopper has realized he will need to put on a brave face and have patience to survive the process.  Deep...slow...breathes...

 

[Jammer]

Swing:
So far there are no firm timelines that CFSCE will initially be switching to ACCIS. Like I said before the TP hasn't een been written yet. CTC hasn't blessed it, and I would say it's a very safe bet that ACCIS will not be implimented until late fall/winter of this year.

 

[Brasidas]

Also, will this amalgamation happen in the regulars more so in the reserves?

The 73 Comm Gp CO stated that the timeline, as of 3 months ago, was for MES to be implemented one year after the reg force had done so. While the reg force timeline has been pushed to the right, this may still be a valid guideline.

In any event, amalgamation will come to the reserves.

I can imagine how the reserves might have a problem combining all three especially with the current budget issues across Canada and the lack of instruction/experience to make all three trades into one viable.

There are reservists, linemen, and even a handful of techs in the reserves, though that's an area where CFSCE would need to draw on reg force and Calian. I do know a fully-reserve-trained LCIS MCpl still on the books in my unit collecting spec pay. There certainly are reservist sig ops who've done IS work on class B.

The potential instructor pool exists.

 

[Dean22]

The 73 Comm Gp CO stated that the timeline, as of 3 months ago, was for MES to be implemented one year after the reg force had done so. While the reg force timeline has been pushed to the right, this may still be a valid guideline.

In any event, amalgamation will come to the reserves.

There are reservists, linemen, and even a handful of techs in the reserves, though that's an area where CFSCE would need to draw on reg force and Calian. I do know a fully-reserve-trained LCIS MCpl still on the books in my unit collecting spec pay. There certainly are reservist sig ops who've done IS work on class B.

The potential instructor pool exists.

Thanks for the reply. Hopefully, I like the LCIS/lineman part of the job.