geo said:
Do we spend time, money, personnel and equipment to train Engineers, Infantrymen, Gunners & Signallers how to fill Driver/Crew Commander/Gunner positions on a LAV/Coyote or is it preferable to leave professionals fight our light armoured equipment while the other Combat arms take care of business?
I think the question answers itself.
Nuff said.
Chimo!
This doesn't ring true to me. When we (crewmen) have a soldier dismount from the back of a vehicle to secure a lateral, should he be an infantryman (instead of the Surv Op) because he is doing an infantry-style task? When we have to have someone cook our meals in the morning (in hides, or manning an OP), should we have to bring in a cook? Do we need to have a Rad Op speak for us on the radio to send in a Contact Report? I think not, in every case, including the examples you gave.
Frankly, there are many people who relish this prospect, be they black hatters, or otherwise. I think the danger here is then "we" become nothing more than chaffeurs, and really, indentured servants of the arm that we "support". Unless, of course, these other arms (Engineers, Infantrymen, Gunners & Signallers) feel that they are "above" crewing a vehicle. As well, do we then deplete the Armour regiments just to crew every Tom, Dickless, and Harry's vehicle, just because they don't want to do the dirty work (of maintaining them)?? Sorry, but we didn't have Engineers come over to clean our Assault Troop equipment (back in the day).
It's all about training: honestly, it isn't rocket science to driver, crew command, or gun the vehicles. I am NOT degrading the abilities of our soldiers (crewmen) as there is much more to the Armour Corps than crewing a vehicle. Fighting the vehicle is difficult (and the other arms wouldn't be expected to become Tankers-Lite), but it can be taught to other arms, much in the same way that Comms can be taught to crewmen, infantry were taught engineer type tasks (Pioneer Platoon), gunners have crewed armoured vehicles before (ADATS ring a bell?). Should we take over the AVLB and AEV? I think Kat Stevens might have a word or ten for you ref that.
I sometimes cringe when I see, what I consider to be unqualified (to Armour Corps standards) personnel crew AFV's: standing up to the waist in the hatches (gunner and commander), drivers hatch open when gun in stab (not on LAV III, but back when Inf manned Coyote's), vehicles flanging around completely non-tactically (not using best ground available), getting stuck in OBVIOUS places (the saying used to go: "Bambi [RCD hatbadge is a Sprinbok, a form of antelope, sorta like a deer, hence Bambi] don't go where the cat-tails grow!!!", beating the rat-shit out of the vehicle and then being proud of breaking it (I heard Inf drivers boast about how much damage they did to their LAVIII (and the crew): in the Armour Corps, you get the shit kicked out of you for hurting your crew (deliberately), and if you bust your ride, you walk..... why would a grunt prefer walking to riding?). Much in the same way that Engineers shudder watching/hearing about Crewmen, Inf, Gunners discussing how THEY would carry out the SANDI drill. Or Inf shudder hearing us talking about how WE conduct dismounted ops.
In closing, I don't think we need to go down the "specialized" military that we disparage to our South (which is a lot of urban legend-type of shit, but I have heard some pretty bizarre stories, so how much is true). We can't have Armour Corps try to out-Engineer the Engineers, or Infantry try to out-Artillery the Artillery. We can have overlap without stepping all over each other, and to be honest, it gives us a greater appreciation for how difficult the other's job can be. I, for example, would never want to have to clear a minefield after doing it (in broad, basic terms) on the different courses I was on and jobs I had. But I could self extract from a minefield in a pinch (laugh all you want, 041 types). Why? Because an Engineer taught me. Just as an 041 can drive, gun, and command a LAVIII, TLAV (engineer variant, which the designation escapes me at the moment (TLAV-E??), etc. I don't relish the thought of having to have all our instructors go teach the 021, 031, 041, etc courses (6A level) tactical crew commanding in the way we do for ourselves (we are stretched just as thin as everyone else). But we could run Train the Trainer courses (sound familiar..... ref the MAT level 1 argument from many moons ago?!?!), which we do right now for Gunnery (we actually have an Infantry Captain as the Gunnery Troop Leader (IG Team) at the Armour School!! Cats and dogs will lay down with each other now!!! Water and oil will mix!!).
Was that "nuff" said??
Al