Freedom Convoy protests [Split from All things 2019-nCoV]

[Remius]

Trucker convoy GoFundMe suspended after reaching $10.1 million

GoFundMe has suspended a fundraiser for the 'Freedom Convoy' of truckers and supporters who have tied up downtown Ottawa while protesting vaccine mandates.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Halifax Tar]

Trucker convoy GoFundMe suspended after reaching $10.1 million

GoFundMe has suspended a fundraiser for the 'Freedom Convoy' of truckers and supporters who have tied up downtown Ottawa while protesting vaccine mandates.

www.ctvnews.ca

The establishment has to do something I think they are losing battle here.

 

[Good2Golf]

The situation in Ottawa is so strained they are sending paramedic units from Toronto.

'Absolutely not sustainable': Stretched Ottawa paramedics are at the limit, says president

Some paramedics have reported difficulty commuting to work as the "Freedom Convoy" protest continues in Ottawa. Those who live downtown say they have problems…

ottawacitizen.com

So strained? From just the convoy?

It appears the problem existed well before the convoy came to town…

“We don’t have enough paramedics on a normal day,” said Peter Bleyer, the executive director of the Civic Institute of Professional Personnel (CIPP) the union that represents about 3,000 municipal professionals in the Ottawa region including paramedics at the superintendent level.

Strange we didn’t hear much about the additional paid duty police from Toronto and York Region? We’ll actually not, it happens as a matter of course wherever there’s a large gather…like…big student parties at a university…where extra paid duty officers are brought in from other parts of the province.

 

[Remius]

The establishment has to do something I think they are losing battle here.

People want them gone so pressure is mounting to have whoever do something.

The big difference between this and your typical protest is that this convoy has heavy machinery. Something local law enforcement is I’ll equipped to deal with with those numbers.

Remaining protesters also seem more volatile and likely prone to violence if pushed. Someone with a gun has already been arrested. There could be more.

The PR war is a mess. The convoy has been successfully painted as intolerant occupiers. The government and police have been painted as ineffective.

People aren’t saying “give them what they want”. People are saying “get rid of them”.

It’s like the occupy movement, police finally did something after a month, but people were calling for it to end before that.

Depends on what the point “the establishment” determines that the trucker convoy becomes a liability, I suspect that will be soon though.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Enjoying the sudden flip in the country's tone from "we need to be tolerant and work it out" to "why aren't those rednecks in jail already"?

Don't forget "send in the army to take them out".

Assumptions on my part. Ottawa shouldn't be surprised the rest of Canada isn't rolling around on the ground in dispair over them being kept awake at night from truck horns. Ottawa has hardly given the impression of being benevolent leaders caring about anyone outside of the NCR. I think that extends to a chunk of the population too.

I suspect there would be a big lack of interest if the trucker protest was just out west and Albertans were asking for help. I bet there would be a lot of lol@alberta jokes. But now it's Rome Ottawa that's under duress so it's not funny.

 

[dimsum]

Don't forget "send in the army to take them out".

Assumptions on my part. Ottawa shouldn't be surprised the rest of Canada isn't rolling around on the ground in dispair over them being kept awake at night from truck horns. Ottawa has hardly given the impression of being benevolent leaders caring about anyone outside of the NCR. I think that extends to a chunk of the population too.

I suspect there would be a big lack of interest if the trucker protest was just out west and Albertans were asking for help. I bet there would be a lot of lol@alberta jokes. But now it's Rome Ottawa that's under duress so it's not funny.

Another point is that it's the national capital. Anything about Ottawa will be higher-profile news.

If another convoy does go to Toronto this weekend as they claim, we'll see how tolerant Torontonians are. I have a feeling they will be less nice than the citizens of Ottawa.

 

[Haggis]

I just watched the OPS Chief on the news. He stated that "all options" are on the table including having city lawyers apply for a court order or "bringing in the military" under Part VI of the NDA.

 

[Remius]

Don't forget "send in the army to take them out".

Assumptions on my part. Ottawa shouldn't be surprised the rest of Canada isn't rolling around on the ground in dispair over them being kept awake at night from truck horns. Ottawa has hardly given the impression of being benevolent leaders caring about anyone outside of the NCR. I think that extends to a chunk of the population too.

I suspect there would be a big lack of interest if the trucker protest was just out west and Albertans were asking for help. I bet there would be a lot of lol@alberta jokes. But now it's Rome Ottawa that's under duress so it's not funny.

Everybody thinks that it’s some sort of “higher class” that’s being affected. It’s not. Downtown is not some sort of rich gentry living there. While there are some, it is mostly the homeless, (as we’ve seen have had there share of harassment), disabled and just blue collar type workers that can’t get to work. A lot of people live downtown because of proximity to services. And those service workers can’t do their jobs either.

So all the PS types that people are jealous out of some misguided anger at not being them, mostly live in the suburbs and bedroom communities. And all at home right now.

And yes, if it isn’t in your backyard then you don’t care. That is not just an Ottawa thing. That’s just a crappy thing humans do everywhere.

So hate Ottawa all you want. Hate is what is driving this in the first place.

 

[Good2Golf]

I just watched the OPS Chief on the news. He stated that "all options" are on the table including having city lawyers apply for a court order or "bringing in the military" under Part VI of the NDA.

If it’s that bad, why doesn’t Mayor Jim Watson petition Doug Ford to ask the Feds for ACP?

 

[Remius]

I just watched the OPS Chief on the news. He stated that "all options" are on the table including having city lawyers apply for a court order or "bringing in the military" under Part VI of the NDA.

I think that is also a veiled message being telegraphed.

 

[Halifax Tar]

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I just watched the OPS Chief on the news. He stated that "all options" are on the table including having city lawyers apply for a court order or "bringing in the military" under Part VI of the NDA.

What if the Army showed up and then the individual members refused to take action ?

We've already seen members give up their service for vaccinations. Would be inconceivable that they would refuse orders for this ?

This is way to polarizing to get the CAF involved in IMHO.

 

[Remius]

If it’s that bad, why doesn’t Mayor Jim Watson petition Doug Ford to ask the Feds for ACP?

I think it’s a risky move. I mean when was the last time the CAF was used in that manner?

Oka? October Crisis?

Maybe if it is just for logistics support to remove the vehicles maybe. In a law enforcement peace officer role? I’m not sure that would be requested.

 

[Remius]

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What if the Army showed up and then the individual members refused to take action ?

We've already seen members give up their service for vaccinations. Would be inconceivable that they would refuse orders for this ?

This is way to polarizing to get the CAF involved in IMHO.

Then fire them. With possible jail first. It’s the Army. If you can’t keep your politics separate from your job then get out.

 

[Good2Golf]

I think it’s a risky move. I mean when was the last time the CAF was used in that manner?

Oka? October Crisis?

Maybe if it is just for logistics support to remove the vehicles maybe. In a law enforcement peace officer role? I’m not sure that would be requested.

There are a lot more heavy rotator wreckers in the commercial fleet than the military, so a police escorted rotator would be a lot more useful.

Edit to add: see, lots of local stuff…how about this bad boy. 50-ton, dual rotator AND plenty of Canada flags to boot!

 

[Halifax Tar]

Again I see and hear more support for the truckers on SM and on News 95.7 but on the established media is more against the truckers.

This leads me to believe there is more support for this than some would like to believe.

 

[The Bread Guy]

MPP Randy Hillier never fails to stick foot in mouth:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1488994525469106182

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To be scrupulously fair, he did add some context 4 hours after that post

Like I've said elsewhere in this or other threads, if you have to explain what you explained, maybe the first explanation wasn't quite so clear.

What if the Army showed up and then the individual members refused to take action ? ...

Really? Unless the system's changed a lot since I left a long time ago, depending on the circumstances, disobeying a lawful command could do.

That said, I think there are a LOT more cards to be played than "soldiers in the streets with guns." Someone should be advising those calling for military help more - or decision makers should be listening more to those giving advice, I don't know.

 

[Spencer100]

Again I see and hear more support for the truckers on SM and on News 95.7 but on the established media is more against the truckers.

This leads me to believe there is more support for this than some would like to believe.

100% The media is lying.

 

[dimsum]

Again I see and hear more support for the truckers on SM and on News 95.7 but on the established media is more against the truckers.

This leads me to believe there is more support for this than some would like to believe.

Social media algorithms specifically choose points of view, articles, etc that play on your confirmation bias, because it'll result in more clicks. This isn't some conspiracy theory - they pretty much acknowledged it. So if someone didn't support the truckers, their social media feeds would be full of other articles that put them in a bad light.

I'm not sure what News 95.7 is though.

 

[The Bread Guy]

100% The media is lying.

Which media?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Social media algorithms specifically choose points of view, articles, etc that play on your confirmation bias, because it'll result in more clicks. This isn't some conspiracy theory - they pretty much acknowledged it. So if someone didn't support the truckers, their social media feeds would be full of other articles that put them in a bad light.

I'm not sure what News 95.7 is though.

Ya I get algorithms. I'm talking more comments than original posts.

Its Halifax's talk radio... News and such.