Posted by "dave" <dave.newcombe@home.com> on Mon, 25 Jun 2001 12:12:58 -0700
Very interesting points you raise John,,,,,,,
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gow"
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: The Snowbirds
> Just to pour a little more gas on this fire...
>
> I wasn‘t referring to the crash/collision episode, though undoubtably the
> newspaper writer was, because "it" was not conditioned to thinking about
> working in the CF environment where mistakes may get you killed, or
hurt...
>
> Aside from the Snowbirds, frankly I don‘t see a lot of recruiting tools...
>
> Neither am I a historian, nor an officer, but "unneccessary" risk? How
> about "acceptable" risks?
>
> Nor do I believe the CF is presently equipped, supplied, or staffed to
fight
> a war and is only marginally able to meet its peacekeeping commitments,
and
> there for not much longer...
>
> I will pound on the point one more time that fliers must be allowed to
> fly...because I‘d hate to see the mistakes in an expensive F18, if they
> could be had in a Tudor instead...much cheaper to lose an obsolescent
> trainer, isn‘t it?and likely uses less gas
>
> And, forgive me, but Mr Martin is showing a considerable surplus...even
more
> than he predicts,,,so we are not hurting, we are in the window of
> opportunity to correct past parsimony step in and correct me if the media
> reporting this is lying!
>
> So is boils down to "Does the taxpayer want their service personnel to be
> equipped for safe execution of the mission that the taxpayer/voter gives
> them?" Or do they chose the death/disability benefit payout instead? And
> how does this attract good men and women into the Service? Or are we just
> simply carried away with the godallmighty dollar in "tax cuts"?
>
> I realize when you pose a question to the List that good manners compel
you
> to take the responses as they come, but the response from Jason was such
> that I had to respond, and I apologize for the "bad manners" shown in so
> doing...
>
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason King"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 8:13 PM
> Subject: Re: The Snowbirds
>
>
> > I have had this arguement before the crash.
> >
> > I agree with you and all others who say the SB‘s are a valuable
recruiting
> > tool and tradition. However, when it comes to recruiting tools and
> > traditions, they are second place to ensuring our forces can do their
jobs
> > without any unessicary risk. The job of any military force to to train
for
> > and fight wars. We have to be able to do that first and foremost, before
> all
> > else. And with our current fiscal situation I doubt whether we can do
that
> > or not.
> >
> > I love having the Snowbirds. But I don‘t think we can afford them right
> now.
> > Don‘t blame me, I‘m not the one who put the CF in this mess. Either the
> > gov‘t puts more cash forward or we have to cut more.
> >
> >
> > >From: Jean-Francois Menicucci
> > >Reply-To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
> > >To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
> > >Subject: Re: The Snowbirds
> > >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 19:04:01 -0400
> > >
> > >ok, tell me guys. If that Snowbird did his flight perfectly, and did a
> > >landing
> > >instead of crashing,
> > >does that argument about them would even exist?
> > >
> > >They are a question of recruiting, access to community, presence but
also
> a
> > >question of traditions.
> > >a presence that the CF should continue to do, because in a certain way,
> > >other
> > >Armed Forces have
> > >these types of activities. In a certain way its is a mean of visibilty,
> > >nationaly and internationaly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Jason King wrote:
> > >
> > > > Teams like the Snowbirds are great. But with the current situation
our
> > > > military is in, we really can‘t afford them. In an age where our
> > >servicemen
> > > > and women are put in danger because of old equipment and when our
> total
> > >Reg.
> > > > Force composition has falled below 60,000, can we afford them? Ture,
> > >they
> > > > are a good recruiting tool, but before we think recruiting flash, we
> > >must
> > > > first think of giving the people currently in our forces the ability
> to
> > >do
> > > > their jobs. Quality equipment and training, as well as adequate pay
> can
> > >be
> > > > very good recruiting tools also.
> > > >
> > > > I would love to keep the Snowbirds, but to do so I think we need to
> > >expand
> > > > the CF budget drastically and get the rest of our house in order. We
> can
> > >no
> > > > longer pretend that we can afford luxuries like this.
> > > >
> > > > >From: Gunner
> > > > >Reply-To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
> > > > >To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
> > > > >Subject: Re: The Snowbirds
> > > > >Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 16:42:03 -0600
> > > > >
> > > > >We need Bands, Strathcona Mounted Troop, Snowbirds, SkyHawks, etc
in
> > > > >order to take the military to communities that do not have a base
or
> > > > >unit close by. If you don‘t let the taxpayers see what they are
> paying
> > > > >for they are going to be indifferent to paying for it.
> > > > >
> > > > >How much are we willing to pay though?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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