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Is it better to have an understanding of the basics of Judo/Jiu-Jitsu than none at all?The problem with throws is it can allow the suspect access to items on the members belt/vest. Judo like most martial arts tends to deal with 1:1 encounters, which isn’t something that generally occurs in LE. Control needs to conducted while allowing the officer to not to be solely focused with both hands for long periods of time.
I’m all about training, but I think that part of the problem with most martial arts is the goal is generally to pin an opponent on the ground.Is it better to have an understanding of the basics of Judo/Jiu-Jitsu than none at all?
It's a tool in the toolbox, no different than training with various non-lethal and lethal means.
I think one of the most useful things it can teach you is judging distance and hand control:
A well-timed O-Goshi will incapacitate someone far quicker than an ASP Baton will.
Yup. A ground fight is exceptionally dangerous for us. Every single fight we get into potentially involves everything on our belt and person, and I’m very comfortable articulating serious damage to someone who chooses to bring a fight close enough to me that he can reach my eyes, neck, genitals, gun, taser, baton, spray, or radio.I’m all about training, but I think that part of the problem with most martial arts is the goal is generally to pin an opponent on the ground.
LEO’s should be trying to avoid a ground fight, as it ties up the focus to the one individual on the ground, and leaves them exposed to other threats.
I think some sort of blended MMA with an emphasis on standing fighting and control is preferred. To me a ground fight can get into lethal force territory way to quickly especially with solo officers.
So JudoI’m all about training, but I think that part of the problem with most martial arts is the goal is generally to pin an opponent on the ground.
LEO’s should be trying to avoid a ground fight, as it ties up the focus to the one individual on the ground, and leaves them exposed to other threats.
I think some sort of blended MMA with an emphasis on standing fighting and control is preferred. To me a ground fight can get into lethal force territory way to quickly especially with solo officers.
I did Judo as a kid, I wish I’d kept it up. Came in handy once or twice dumping bullies on their ass with a solid outer leg reap.So Judo
I've never done such a thing, I swear . Particularly in my younger days when I was training Judo/Grappling 5 times a week.I did Judo as a kid, I wish I’d kept it up. Came in handy once or twice dumping bullies on their ass with a solid outer leg reap.
Yes. But the philosophy is maintaining a position or moving out- it’s not advancing a position. For the reason you said. You’re out using tools and controlling distance or you are either maintaining the control you had- or giving it up for distance.The new block training package does a pretty good job of giving members some techniques to get back on their feet and/or get control, but like Booter said these skills are useless without the time to practice, of which there is none.
A lot of officers have their favourite "go-to" restraint or takedown. It's simple and effective and has worked for them in the past. But when it doesn't work, you need to transition to another technique....if you can remember one.And it’s written right into the program that way- the assumption being if the basics being done don’t work- the person knows more than you and you’re trouble,
So, Muay-Thai, then? Less ground n pound and more knees to noses?So Judo
Judo+Boxing = winning combination on the streets
I got my ass beat quite badly by a young female supporter who was an experienced Muay-Thai fighter. She could also take a punch quite well as the second time she kicked me in the balls I drove my first into her face —- she kicked me in the kidney and then face a few times after that one. I’d probably been dead if the SGM with us hadn’t stopped it. OFC I found out later she was one of the ground combat instructors…So, Muay-Thai, then? Less ground n pound and more knees to noses?
I’d say anything where you actually compete is beneficial. They all have weaknesses if you’re fighting the right experienced fighter- but they all have a benefit if you’ve trained them seriously enough to throw hands feet and bodies in competition.
That play fighting makes anyone better than 90% of the population
There is always the outlier farm boys or the swarm. But all in all- all experience getting beat up is beneficial
The biggest thing is people no longer understand when to stop.There are a butt load of people walking around in our population with real fighting experience in the ring and its growing as the popularity of MMA continues to expand.
I have a good friend who is a bit of a legend in the bouncer/night life world here in Halifax who "retired" 2 years ago because it was getting too dangerous.
Funny how, us being unarmed/unweaponed, getting an offender to the ground was job 1.Yup. A ground fight is exceptionally dangerous for us. Every single fight we get into potentially involves everything on our belt and person, and I’m very comfortable articulating serious damage to someone who chooses to bring a fight close enough to me that he can reach my eyes, neck, genitals, gun, taser, baton, spray, or radio.