Denmark fires Chief of Defence, runs into more naval issues

[dimsum]

Denmark fires chief of defense, runs into more naval issues

Danish defense leaders also have another problem on their hands following an April 4 incident aboard the frigate Niels Juel.

www.defensenews.com

 

[daftandbarmy]

Denmark fires chief of defense, runs into more naval issues

Danish defense leaders also have another problem on their hands following an April 4 incident aboard the frigate Niels Juel.

www.defensenews.com

"The minister was referring to the emergence of claims, initially made by the Danish news website Olfi, regarding critical weapon and mission systems issues on the frigate, that appear to have been unreported and ignored for a significant period of time."

Meanwhile, Canada...

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Oh, our problems are not “unreported”…

Just, nobody cares to do anything about them…

 

[dimsum]

Now that the Danish CDS is punted, let’s see if the Danish govt cares or not.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Oh, our problems are not “unreported”…

Just, nobody cares to do anything about them…

I was pretty surprised how quickly the issues with the CPF mid life shock trial got buried. They were reported at the time, but only took a posting cycle of inaction to be forgotten, and aren't on anyone's radar anywhere.

There is a lot of filtering where major issues turn into 'we can figure it out' by careerist 'yes men', and very quickly goes from red to green to brushed under carpets in my experience.

The RCN pushing to accept the AOPs early with thousands of defects is one example, and pushing for helo ops despite first of class defects that we've known about for years not being addressed is a good example. They don't want to actually fix anything, just 'accept the risk' and 'mitigate' things that you can't really mitigate. Weirdly you have to put resources to something to fix it and give people time to do it, but because those ships had such major issues on delivery that we accepted the focus is just been on fixing basic things like propulsion.

 

[FSTO]

Cdr Salamander comments.

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[dapaterson]

Weirdly you have to put resources to something to fix it and give people time to do it, but because those ships had such major issues on delivery that we accepted the focus is just been on fixing basic things like propulsion.

First you complain about lead in the drinking water, then you complain about flooding the spaces, then you complain that propulsion doesn't work.

It's almost like you want serviceable warships, and don't think DND exists to merely funnel money to the Irvings.

 

[Halifax Tar]

First you complain about lead in the drinking water, then you complain about flooding the spaces, then you complain that propulsion doesn't work.

It's almost like you want serviceable warships, and don't think DND exists to merely funnel money to the Irvings.

Careful the LPC err I mean Irving fan boys will be by soon to deduct social credits

 

[Good2Golf]

It's almost like you want serviceable warships, and don't think DND exists for the GoC via PSPC/PWGSC to merely funnel money to the Irvings.

1 x pedant round for effect

 

[dapaterson]

Careful the LPC err I mean Irving fan boys will be by soon to deduct social credits

The shipbuilding strategy that funnels money to the Irvings was a CPC invention...

 

[Halifax Tar]

The shipbuilding strategy that funnels money to the Irvings was a CPC invention...

Very true, and I think you'll find the Irving family very well intertwined with the LPC.

But either way, I was just trying to be coy... But you had to be sooooo serious

 

[Navy_Pete]

First you complain about lead in the drinking water, then you complain about flooding the spaces, then you complain that propulsion doesn't work.

It's almost like you want serviceable warships, and don't think DND exists to merely funnel money to the Irvings.

Just seems like they blamed their CDS when it was the from lower down the ranks, but if they think that they get the filtered version, the briefings to politicians are written at the 10 year old level and should basically come with crayons and a colouring sheet.

In our navy that filtering seems to start at about the LCdr level so lots of simplification by the time it gets to a Cmdre, let alone a MGen.

 

[dapaterson]

Just seems like they blamed their CDS when it was the from lower down the ranks, but if they think that they get the filtered version, the briefings to politicians are written at the 10 year old level and should basically come with crayons and a colouring sheet.

In our navy that filtering seems to start at about the LCdr level so lots of simplification by the time it gets to a Cmdre, let alone a MGen.

I look at the RCN and see that the Cmdre on each coast needs a RAdm for supervision, and that explains a lot.