Posted by "dave" <dave.newcombe@home.com> on Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:06:40 -0800
LOL...good one
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Schepens
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Commission
Actually, when I first joined, I misunderstood the question. The
recruiter asked, "commission?". I said, "**** no, straight wage!"
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian McGregor
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 9:29 AM
Subject: Fw: Commission
There are a few changes to the scroll. "men" is changed to "non
commissioned members," and Canada is listed after the UK and before "her
other realms" in the introduction.
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Oleary"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 6:12 PM
Subject: Commission, was Re: NCO Creed US Army, was Re: Sr NCO /
Officer relationship
> That is one tough question. The officer‘s commission is the formal
granting
> of authority as an officer in the Canadian Forces both in the rank
of
> commissioning and in future ranks.
>
> The following is the text from my scroll:
> _______________________________________________
>
> Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom,
Canada and Her
> other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth,
Defender of
> the Faith, to
>
>
> Hereby appointed an Officer in Her Majesty‘s Canadian Armed
Forces.
> With Seniority of the day of 19 .
>
> We, reposing especial Trust and Confidence in your Loyalty,
Courage and
> Integrity, do by these Presents Constitute and Appoint you to be
an officer
> in our Canadian Armed Forces. You area therefore carefully and
diligently to
> discharge your Duty as such in the rank of
Or in
> such other Rank as We may from time to time hereafter be pleased
to promote
> or appoint you to, and you are in such manner and on such
occasions as may
> be prescribed by Us to exercise and well discipline both the
Inferior
> Officers and Non Commissioned Members serving under you and use
your best endeavour to keep them
> in good Order and Discipline. And We do hereby Command them to
Obey you as
> their Superior Officer, and you to observe and follow such Orders
and
> Directions as from time to time you shall receive from Us, or any
your
> Superior Officer according to Law, in pursuance of the Trust
hereby reposed
> in you.
>
> In witness Whereof Our Governor General of Canada hath hereunto
set her hand
> and Seal at our Government House in the City of Ottawa this
day of
> in the Year of Our Lord One Two Thousand and in the
> Year of Our Reign.
>
> By Command of Her Excellency the Governor General
>
> Minister of National Defence
> _________________________________________________
>
> Mike
> http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com
>
> PS to Joan - the PC-gender remark should have been taken
facetiously, sorry
> if it struck a nerve. You have in fact established yourself well
on this
> means and no disrespect was to be inferred, You do remain our
only, if not
> one of very few, female correspondents. Cheers. mikey
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joan O. Arc
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 5:15 PM
> Subject: Re: NCO Creed US Army, was Re: Sr NCO / Officer
relationship
>
>
> > To come back to a very basic question I asked a while ago, could
someone
> > please tell me what "commission" means in this context and what
factors
> > determine whether one is a CO or an NCO? I know this is very,
very basic
> > stuff, but without this one little piece of info., I‘m afraid
much else
> that
> > is being discussed at least partially sails over my head.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Joan
> >
> > PS - On this gender reference stuff, let me clarify - at some
risk! - the
> > post that seemed to get me into such hot water with John a while
back.
> When
> > I said, "I don‘t expect special treatment, I just want a chance
to kick
> your
> > [referring to a theoretical colleague, NOT members of this list]
tush,"
> what
> > I meant by "no special treatment" is that I would NEVER expect
anyone to
> > water down job standards/requirements for me simply because I‘m
a girl. In
> > fact, I would be insulted by an organization/employer that did.
> >
> > In a civilian context - which is, of course, where I work - what
this
> means
> > is that I feel myself well able to compete with anyone in my
field,
> > regardless of age, gender, etc., under any circumstances.
> >
> > In a military context, however, it would mean I would neither
seek - nor
> > succeed in - combat-type roles because I am a 98-lb. weakling,
> basically!,
> > UNLESS someone watered down the standards for me. This is
something
> neither
> > I, nor any other woman - in my opinion - should either expect or
tolerate.
> >
> > Hope this is all clear now. I fear I didn‘t explain my position
on this
> > recurring isue at all well last time, for which I apologize.
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: m.oleary@ns.sympatico.ca Mike Oleary
> > Reply-To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
> > To:
> > Subject: NCO Creed US Army, was Re: Sr NCO / Officer
relationship
> > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:55:17 -0500
> >
> > Ask and you shall receive if it‘s already in my database
> >
> > Mike
> > http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com
> > _______________________________________________________
> >
> > The Creed of the Non-commissioned Officer
> >
> > No one is more professional than I. I am a Non-commissioned
Officer, a
> > leader of soldiers. As a Non-commissioned Officer, I realize
that I am a
> > member of a time-honored corps, which is known as "The Backbone
of the
> > Army."
> >
> > I am proud of the Corps of the Non-commissioned Officers and
will at all
> > times conduct myself so as to bring credit upon the Corps, the
Military
> > Service and my country regardless of the situation in which I
find myself.
> I
> > will not use my grade or position to attain pleasure, profit, or
personal
> > safety.
> >
> > Competence is my watch-word. My two basic responsibilities will
always be
> > uppermost in my mind - accomplishment of my mission and the
welfare of my
> > soldiers. I will strive to remain tactically and technically
proficient. I
> > am aware of my role as a Non-commissioned Officer. I will
fulfill my
> > responsibilities inherent in that role. All soldiers are
entitled to
> > outstanding leadership I will provide that leadership. I know
my soldiers
> > and I will always place their needs above my own. I will
communicate
> > consistently with my soldiers and never leave them uninformed. I
will be
> > fair and impartial when recommending both rewards and
punishment.
> >
> > Officers of my unit will have maximum time to accomplish their
duties
> they
> > will not have to accomplish mine. I will earn their respect and
confidence
> > as well as that of my soldiers. I will be loyal to those with
whom I
> serve
> > seniors, peers and subordinates alike. I will exercise
initiative by
> taking
> > appropriate action in the absence of orders. I will not
compromise my
> > integrity, nor my moral courage. I will not forget, nor will I
allow my
> > comrades to forget that we are professionals, Non-commissioned
Officers,
> > leaders!
> >
> > The United States Army
> > Non-commissioned Officers Academy
> > Fort Knox, Kentucky
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: The MacFarlanes‘
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 7:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: Sr NCO / Officer relationship
> >
> >
> > > A long time ago, I had given to me, from one of my American
friends, a
> > Snr
> > > NCOs Creed, which spoke of all that. I have also had a piece
of paper
> > that
> > > compared Oficers‘ tasks, to Snr NCOs. Alas, I fear I am also
one of
> > those,
> > > who had, but cannot produce...
> > > Ubique
> > > Mac
> >
> >
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> > message body.
> >
> >
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LOL...good one
----- Original Message -----
From:
Donald
Schepens
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001
11:21
AM
Subject: Re: Commission
Actually, when I first joined, I
misunderstood
the question. The recruiter asked, "commission?". I said,
"****
no, straight wage!"
Don
----- Original Message -----
From:
Ian amp
McGregor
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Thursday, March 29,
2001 9:29
AM
Subject: Fw: Commission
There are a few
changes to the scroll. "men" is changed to "non commissioned
members,"
and Canada is listed after the UK and before "her other realms" in
the
introduction.
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Oleary" ltm.oleary@ns.sympatico.cagt
To: ltarmy-list@CdnArmy.cagt
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001
6:12
PM
Subject: Commission, was Re: NCO
Creed US
Army, was Re: Sr NCO / Officer relationship
gt That is one tough question. The officer‘s commission
is the
formal grantinggt of authority as an officer in the Canadian
Forces
both in the rank ofgt commissioning and in future
ranks.gt
gt The following is the text from my scroll:gt
_______________________________________________gt gt
Elizabeth
the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom,
Canadaand Hergt other Realms and Territories
Queen,
Head of the Commonwealth, Defender ofgt the Faith, togt
ltrecipient‘s namegtgt gt Hereby appointed an
Officer in Her
Majesty‘s Canadian Armed Forces.gt With Seniority of the
lt--gt
day of lt--gt 19 lt--gt.gt gt We, reposing
especial
Trust and Confidence in your Loyalty, Courage andgt Integrity,
do by
these Presents Constitute and Appoint you to be an officergt
in our
Canadian Armed Forces. You area therefore carefully and diligently
togt discharge your Duty as such in the rank of ltrank of
commissioninggt Or ingt such other Rank as We may from time
to time
hereafter be pleased to promotegt or appoint you to, and you
are in
such manner and on such occasions as maygt be prescribed by Us
to
exercise and well discipline both the Inferiorgt Officers
andNon Commissioned Membersserving
under you
and use your best endeavour to keep themgt in good Order and
Discipline. And We do hereby Command them to Obey you asgt
their
Superior Officer, and you to observe and follow such Orders
andgt
Directions as from time to time you shall receive from Us, or any
yourgt Superior Officer according to Law, in pursuance of the
Trust
hereby reposedgt in you.gt gt In witness Whereof
Our
Governor General of Canada hath hereunto sether handgt
and Seal
at our Government House in the City of Ottawa
this
lt--gt day of lt--gtgt in the Year of Our Lord One
Two
Thousand and in the lt--gtgt Year of Our
Reign.gt
gt By Command ofHer Excellency the
Governor
General ltseal and signaturegtgt gt Minister of
National
Defence ltsignaturegtgt
_________________________________________________gt gt
Mikegt http://regimentalrogue.tripod.comgt gt PS to Joan - the PC-gender
remark should
have been taken facetiously, sorrygt if it struck a nerve. You
have in
fact established yourself well on thisgt means and no
disrespect was
to be inferred, You do remain our only, if notgt one of very
few,
female correspondents. Cheers. mikey gt gt
gt gt ----- Original Message -----gt From: Joan O.
Arc
ltjoan_o_arc@hotmail.comgtgt
To: ltarmy-list@CdnArmy.cagtgt
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 5:15 PMgt Subject: Re: NCO
Creed US
Army, was Re: Sr NCO / Officer relationshipgt gt
gt gt
To come back to a very basic question I asked a while ago, could
someonegt gt please tell me what "commission" means in this
context
and what factorsgt gt determine whether one is a CO or an
NCO? I
know this is very, very basicgt gt stuff, but without this
one
little piece of info., I‘m afraid much elsegt thatgt
gt is
being discussed at least partially sails over my head.gt
gtgt
gt Thanks,gt gtgt gt Joangt gtgt
gt PS -
On this gender reference stuff, let me clarify - at some risk! -
thegt
gt post that seemed to get me into such hot water with John a
while
back.gt Whengt gt I said, "I don‘t expect special
treatment, I
just want a chance to kickgt yourgt gt [referring to a
theoretical colleague, NOT members of this list] tush,"gt
whatgt
gt I meant by "no special treatment" is that I would NEVER expect
anyone
togt gt water down job standards/requirements for me simply
because
I‘m a girl. Ingt gt fact, I would be insulted by an
organization/employer that did.gt gtgt gt In a
civilian
context - which is, of course, where I work - what thisgt
meansgt gt is that I feel myself well able to compete with
anyone in
my field,gt gt regardless of age, gender, etc., under any
circumstances.gt gtgt gt In a military context,
however, it
would mean I would neither seek - norgt gt succeed in -
combat-type
roles because I am a 98-lb. weakling,gt basically!,gt
gt
UNLESS someone watered down the standards for me. This is
somethinggt
neithergt gt I, nor any other woman - in my opinion - should
either
expect or tolerate.gt gtgt gt Hope this is all clear
now. I
fear I didn‘t explain my position on thisgt gt recurring
isue at all
well last time, for which I apologize.gt gtgt
gtgt
gt ----Original Message Follows----gt gt From: m.oleary@ns.sympatico.ca Mike
Olearygt gt Reply-To: army-list@CdnArmy.cagt gt
To: ltarmy-list@CdnArmy.cagtgt
gt Subject: NCO Creed US Army, was Re: Sr NCO / Officer
relationshipgt gt Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:55:17
-0500gt
gtgt gt Ask and you shall receive if it‘s already in my
databasegt gtgt gt Mikegt gt http://regimentalrogue.tripod.comgt gt
_______________________________________________________gt
gtgt
gt The Creed of the Non-commissioned Officergt gtgt
gt No
one is more professional than I. I am a Non-commissioned Officer,
agt
gt leader of soldiers. As a Non-commissioned Officer, I realize
that I am
agt gt member of a time-honored corps, which is known as
"The
Backbone of thegt gt Army."gt gtgt gt I am
proud of
the Corps of the Non-commissioned Officers and will at allgt
gt
times conduct myself so as to bring credit upon the Corps, the
Militarygt gt Service and my country regardless of the
situation in
which I find myself.gt Igt gt will not use my grade or
position to attain pleasure, profit, or personalgt gt
safety.gt gtgt gt Competence is my watch-word. My
two basic
responsibilities will always begt gt uppermost in my mind -
accomplishment of my mission and the welfare of mygt gt
soldiers. I
will strive to remain tactically and technically proficient.
Igt gt
am aware of my role as a Non-commissioned Officer. I will fulfill
mygt
gt responsibilities inherent in that role. All soldiers are
entitled
togt gt outstanding leadership I will provide that
leadership. I
know my soldiersgt gt and I will always place their needs
above my
own. I will communicategt gt consistently with my soldiers
and never
leave them uninformed. I will begt gt fair and impartial
when
recommending both rewards and punishment.gt gtgt gt
Officers
of my unit will have maximum time to accomplish their
dutiesgt
theygt gt will not have to accomplish mine. I will earn
their
respect and confidencegt gt as well as that of my
soldiers. I
will be loyal to those with whom Igt servegt gt
seniors,
peers and subordinates alike. I will exercise initiative bygt
takinggt gt appropriate action in the absence of orders. I
will not
compromise mygt gt integrity, nor my moral courage. I will
not
forget, nor will I allow mygt gt comrades to forget that we
are
professionals, Non-commissioned Officers,gt gt
leaders!gt
gtgt gt The United States Armygt gt
Non-commissioned Officers Academygt gt Fort Knox,
Kentuckygt
gtgt gtgt gt ----- Original Message -----gt
gt
From: The MacFarlanes‘ ltdesrtrat@amug.orggtgt gt To: ltarmy-list@CdnArmy.cagtgt
gt Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 7:29 PMgt gt Subject: Re:
Sr NCO
/ Officer relationshipgt gtgt gtgt gt
gt A
long time ago, I had given to me, from one of my American friends,
agt
gt Snrgt gt gt NCOs Creed, which spoke of all
that. I have
also had a piece of papergt gt thatgt gt gt
compared
Oficers‘ tasks, to Snr NCOs. Alas, I fear I am also one ofgt
gt
those,gt gt gt who had, but cannot
produce...gt
gt gt Ubiquegt gt gt Macgt
gtgt
gtgt gt
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gt
NOTE: To remove yourself from this list, send a
messagegt gt
to majordomo@CdnArmy.ca
from the
account you wish togt gt remove, with the line "unsubscribe
army-list" in thegt gt message body.gt gtgt
gt
_________________________________________________________________________
gt
gt Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.gt
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