C7A2 - Revision history

Thom786 at 16:16, 1 September 2006

2006-09-01T16:16:15Z

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Cj6: Fix PPCLI link

2006-06-05T16:18:08Z

Fix PPCLI link

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	The C7A2 was a "mid-life" service upgrade - albiet done on the LCMM - SA's (Life Cycle Material Manager Small Arms) meager budget.		The C7A2 was a "mid-life" service upgrade - albiet done on the LCMM - SA's (Life Cycle Material Manager Small Arms) meager budget.

	The [[C7A1]] had been criticized especially by [[Princess ~~Patrcia~~'s Canadian Light Infantry\|1VP]] in Kosovo as being cumbersome, and very awkward to adapt to night operations - so much so that members where often stuck with a pistol during some operations since in body armour they could not effectively use the C7A1 with its fixed buttstock. A Company, 1PPCLI had been lent a number of KAC (Knights Armament Company) M5RAS (Rail Accessory System) that provided an aluminum M1913 Picatiny rail handguard for the attachment of flashlights and Infra-Red lasers (at that point the Insight PAC4A and B). Similarily a large quantity of the C79 ELCAN scopes were non-servicable due to wear (or poor design) so something was going to have to be done about the Forces' principle small arm.		The [[C7A1]] had been criticized especially by [[Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry\|1VP]] in Kosovo as being cumbersome, and very awkward to adapt to night operations - so much so that members where often stuck with a pistol during some operations since in body armour they could not effectively use the C7A1 with its fixed buttstock. A Company, 1PPCLI had been lent a number of KAC (Knights Armament Company) M5RAS (Rail Accessory System) that provided an aluminum M1913 Picatiny rail handguard for the attachment of flashlights and Infra-Red lasers (at that point the Insight PAC4A and B). Similarily a large quantity of the C79 ELCAN scopes were non-servicable due to wear (or poor design) so something was going to have to be done about the Forces' principle small arm.

	==C7A1 w/M5RAS==		==C7A1 w/M5RAS==

Walford: spelling

2006-05-21T13:57:38Z

spelling

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	The C7A2 was a "mid-life" service upgrade - albiet done on the LCMM - SA's (Life Cycle Material Manager Small Arms) meager budget.		The C7A2 was a "mid-life" service upgrade - albiet done on the LCMM - SA's (Life Cycle Material Manager Small Arms) meager budget.

	The [[C7A1]] had been ~~criticised~~ especially by [[Princess Patrcia's Canadian Light Infantry\|1VP]] in Kosovo as being cumbersome, and very awkward to adapt to ~~nigth~~ operations~~. Such~~ that members where often stuck with a pistol during some operations since in body armour they could not effectively use the C7A1 with its fixed buttstock. A ~~Coy~~ 1PPCLI had been lent a number of KAC (Knights Armament Company) M5RAS (Rail Accessory System) that provided an aluminum M1913 Picatiny rail handguard for the attachment of flashlights and Infra-Red lasers (at that point the Insight PAC4A and B). Similarily a large quantity of the C79 ELCAN scopes were non-servicable due to wear (or poor design) so something was going to have to be done about the Forces principle small arm.		The [[C7A1]] had been criticized especially by [[Princess Patrcia's Canadian Light Infantry\|1VP]] in Kosovo as being cumbersome, and very awkward to adapt to night operations - so much so that members where often stuck with a pistol during some operations since in body armour they could not effectively use the C7A1 with its fixed buttstock. A Company, 1PPCLI had been lent a number of KAC (Knights Armament Company) M5RAS (Rail Accessory System) that provided an aluminum M1913 Picatiny rail handguard for the attachment of flashlights and Infra-Red lasers (at that point the Insight PAC4A and B). Similarily a large quantity of the C79 ELCAN scopes were non-servicable due to wear (or poor design) so something was going to have to be done about the Forces' principle small arm.

	==C7A1 w/M5RAS==		==C7A1 w/M5RAS==
	The time frame ~~coninsided~~ with the fact the USMC had recently released a requirement for the M16A4 - which was effectively a M16A2 with a ~~flatop~~ receiver (a la C7A1) with a M5 RAS, the US Army had decided that they required a shorter modular weapon and had ordered full scale transition from the M16A2 to the M4 (and M4A1 for SOF).		The time frame conincided with the fact the USMC had recently released a requirement for the M16A4 - which was effectively a M16A2 with a flat-top receiver (''a la'' C7A1) with a M5 RAS, the US Army had decided that they required a shorter modular weapon and had ordered full scale transition from the M16A2 to the M4 (and M4A1 for SOF).

	For reasons that still baffles the ~~land force~~ the LCMM and Diemaco quoted the Army $834.93 for each M5 RAS when the Army went to consider a modular handguard section. Having seen the memo from KAC to Diemaco (right of first refusal on small arms contracts) the CF was to pay $220 USD -- or at then current rate of exchange $305 Cdn (FOB Vero Beach Fla.) The Army balked (and ignored the testing that had lead to the SOPMOD RIS/RAS) and adopted the Diemaco designed TRIAD-1 (or pitchfork as I like to call it).		For reasons that still baffles the Land Force, the LCMM and Diemaco quoted the Army $834.93 for each M5 RAS when the Army went to consider a modular handguard section. Having seen the memo from KAC to Diemaco (right of first refusal on small arms contracts) the CF was to pay $220 USD -- or at then current rate of exchange $305 Cdn (FOB Vero Beach Fla.) The Army balked (and ignored the testing that had lead to the SOPMOD RIS/RAS) and adopted the Diemaco designed TRIAD-1 (or pitchfork as I like to call it).

	==TRIAD-1==		==TRIAD-1==
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	\|}		\|}

	Due to both budgetary and the desire of the [[Royal Canadian Infantry Corps\|Infantry Corps]] RSM for rifle drill (not SMG drill) the 20" barrel was retained - despite the desire and ~~recomendations~~ of the soliders that had been deployed to Kosovo to adopt a ~~flatop~~ version of the C8 for Infantry usage.		Due to both budgetary concerns and the desire of the [[Royal Canadian Infantry Corps\|Infantry Corps]] RSM to have a weapon suitable for rifle drill (not SMG drill) the 20" barrel was retained - despite the desire and recommendations of the soliders that had been deployed to Kosovo to adopt a flat-top version of the C8 for Infantry usage.

	As well despite soldiers desiring a more robust scope ~~that~~ the C79 a program was put to replace them with the C79A2 effectively the same scope that has an upgraded mount available in civilian circles. No ~~effrot~~ was made to obtain a Close Combat Optic that the US and Allies had been leaning to since the Somalia conflict.		As well, despite soldiers desiring a more robust scope than the C79, a program was put to replace them with the C79A2 - effectively the same scope that has an upgraded mount and available in civilian circles. No effort was made to obtain a Close Combat Optic that the US and Allies had been leaning to since the Somalia conflict.

	Then several addtions where decided upon in order to make the weapon easier on left handed firers. A modified version of the Norgon Ambi-Catch was added to the mag could be released from either side of the weapon, however for reasons unaware the Diemaco version had less of an engagement surface and was easily bumped and the mag would fall out -- After speaking with Robert Garrett president of Norgon LLC he went to Diemaco and corrected their error. Apparently someone had thought with less engagement surface it woudl make for faster reloads...		Then several addtions where decided upon in order to make the weapon easier on left handed firers. A modified version of the Norgon Ambi-Catch was added to the mag could be released from either side of the weapon, however for reasons unaware the Diemaco version had less of an engagement surface and was easily bumped and the mag would fall out -- After speaking with Robert Garrett president of Norgon LLC he went to Diemaco and corrected their error. Apparently someone had thought with less engagement surface it woudl make for faster reloads...

Pinger206 at 11:32, 21 May 2006

2006-05-21T11:32:37Z

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	The C7A2 was a "mid-life" service upgrade - albiet done on the LCMM - SA's (Life Cycle Material Manager Small Arms) meager budget.		The C7A2 was a "mid-life" service upgrade - albiet done on the LCMM - SA's (Life Cycle Material Manager Small Arms) meager budget.

	The [[C7A1]] had been criticised especially by [[Princess Patrcia's Canadian Light Infantry\|1VP]] in Kosovo as being cumbersome, and very awkward to adapt to nigth operations. Such that members where ~~oftem~~ stuck with a pistol during some operations since in body armour they could not effectively use the C7A1 with its fixed buttstock. A Coy 1PPCLI had been lent a number of KAC (Knights Armament Company) M5RAS (Rail Accessory System) that provided an aluminum M1913 Picatiny rail handguard for the attachment of flashlights and Infra-Red lasers (at that point the Insight PAC4A and B). Similarily a large quantity of the C79 ELCAN scopes ~~where N/S~~ due to wear (or poor design) so something was going to have to be done about the Forces principle small arm.		The [[C7A1]] had been criticised especially by [[Princess Patrcia's Canadian Light Infantry\|1VP]] in Kosovo as being cumbersome, and very awkward to adapt to nigth operations. Such that members where often stuck with a pistol during some operations since in body armour they could not effectively use the C7A1 with its fixed buttstock. A Coy 1PPCLI had been lent a number of KAC (Knights Armament Company) M5RAS (Rail Accessory System) that provided an aluminum M1913 Picatiny rail handguard for the attachment of flashlights and Infra-Red lasers (at that point the Insight PAC4A and B). Similarily a large quantity of the C79 ELCAN scopes were non-servicable due to wear (or poor design) so something was going to have to be done about the Forces principle small arm.

	==C7A1 w/M5RAS==		==C7A1 w/M5RAS==

Slayer raptor at 06:59, 19 May 2006

2006-05-19T06:59:50Z

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Walford: /* TRIAD-1 */ formatting changes

2006-05-19T05:42:59Z

TRIAD-1: formatting changes

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	==TRIAD-1==		==TRIAD-1==
	{\|		{\|align="center"
	\|[[Image:TRIAD.jpg\|300px]]		\|align="center"\|[[Image:TRIAD.jpg\|300px]]
	\|[[Image:M203PAC.jpg\|300px]]		\|align="center"\|[[Image:M203PAC.jpg\|300px]]
			\|-
			\|colspan="2" align="center"\|TRIAD not compatible with Canadian M203 as PAC/PEQ must be moved to a different mount.
	\|}		\|}
	~~TRIAD not compatible with Canadian M203 as PAC/PEQ must be moved to a different mount.~~

	Due to both budgetary and the desire of the [[Royal Canadian Infantry Corps\|Infantry Corps]] RSM for rifle drill (not SMG drill) the 20" barrel was retained - despite the desire and recomendations of the soliders that had been deployed to Kosovo to adopt a flatop version of the C8 for Infantry usage.		Due to both budgetary and the desire of the [[Royal Canadian Infantry Corps\|Infantry Corps]] RSM for rifle drill (not SMG drill) the 20" barrel was retained - despite the desire and recomendations of the soliders that had been deployed to Kosovo to adopt a flatop version of the C8 for Infantry usage.

Walford at 05:41, 19 May 2006

2006-05-19T05:41:26Z

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			[[Image:KevonpatrolwRCMP.jpg\|right\|400px]]

	The C7A2 was a "mid-life" service upgrade - albiet done on the LCMM - SA's (Life Cycle Material Manager Small Arms) meager budget.		The C7A2 was a "mid-life" service upgrade - albiet done on the LCMM - SA's (Life Cycle Material Manager Small Arms) meager budget.

	The C7A1 had been criticised especially by 1VP in Kosovo as being cumbersome, and very awkward to adapt to nigth operations. Such that members where oftem stuck with a pistol during some operations since in body armour they could not effectively use the C7A1 with its fixed buttstock. A Coy 1PPCLI had been lent a number of KAC (Knights Armament Company) M5RAS (Rail Accessory System) that provided an aluminum M1913 Picatiny rail handguard for the attachment of flashlights and Infra-Red lasers (at that point the Insight PAC4A and B). Similarily a large quantity of the C79 ELCAN scopes where N/S due to wear (or poor design) so something was going to have to be done about the Forces principle small arm.		The [[C7A1]] had been criticised especially by [[Princess Patrcia's Canadian Light Infantry\|1VP]] in Kosovo as being cumbersome, and very awkward to adapt to nigth operations. Such that members where oftem stuck with a pistol during some operations since in body armour they could not effectively use the C7A1 with its fixed buttstock. A Coy 1PPCLI had been lent a number of KAC (Knights Armament Company) M5RAS (Rail Accessory System) that provided an aluminum M1913 Picatiny rail handguard for the attachment of flashlights and Infra-Red lasers (at that point the Insight PAC4A and B). Similarily a large quantity of the C79 ELCAN scopes where N/S due to wear (or poor design) so something was going to have to be done about the Forces principle small arm.
	~~C7A1 w/M5RAS~~
	~~[[Image:KevonpatrolwRCMP.jpg\|right\|400px]]~~

			==C7A1 w/M5RAS==
	The time frame coninsided with the fact the USMC had recently released a requirement for the M16A4 - which was effectively a M16A2 with a flatop receiver (a la C7A1) with a M5 RAS, the US Army had decided that they required a shorter modular weapon and had ordered full scale transition from the M16A2 to the M4 (and M4A1 for SOF).		The time frame coninsided with the fact the USMC had recently released a requirement for the M16A4 - which was effectively a M16A2 with a flatop receiver (a la C7A1) with a M5 RAS, the US Army had decided that they required a shorter modular weapon and had ordered full scale transition from the M16A2 to the M4 (and M4A1 for SOF).

	For reasons that still baffles the land force the LCMM and Diemaco quoted the Army $834.93 for each M5 RAS when the Army went to consider a modular handguard section. Having seen the memo from KAC to Diemaco (right of first refusal on small arms contracts) the CF was to pay $220 USD -- or at then current rate of exchange $305 Cdn (FOB Vero Beach Fla.) The Army balked (and ignored the testing that had lead to the SOPMOD RIS/RAS) and adopted the Diemaco designed TRIAD-1 (or pitchfork as I like to call it).		For reasons that still baffles the land force the LCMM and Diemaco quoted the Army $834.93 for each M5 RAS when the Army went to consider a modular handguard section. Having seen the memo from KAC to Diemaco (right of first refusal on small arms contracts) the CF was to pay $220 USD -- or at then current rate of exchange $305 Cdn (FOB Vero Beach Fla.) The Army balked (and ignored the testing that had lead to the SOPMOD RIS/RAS) and adopted the Diemaco designed TRIAD-1 (or pitchfork as I like to call it).

	TRIAD-1		==TRIAD-1==
	{\|		{\|
	\|[[Image:TRIAD.jpg\|300px]]		\|[[Image:TRIAD.jpg\|300px]]
	\|[[Image:M203PAC.jpg\|300px]]		\|[[Image:M203PAC.jpg\|300px]]
	\|}		\|}
	TRIAD not compatible with Canadian M203 as PAC/PEQ must be moved to a different mount		TRIAD not compatible with Canadian M203 as PAC/PEQ must be moved to a different mount.

	Due to both budgetary and the desire of the Infantry Corps RSM for rifle drill (not SMG drill) the 20" barrel was retained - despite the desire and recomendations of the soliders that had been deployed to Kosovo to adopt a flatop version of the C8 for Infantry usage.		Due to both budgetary and the desire of the [[Royal Canadian Infantry Corps\|Infantry Corps]] RSM for rifle drill (not SMG drill) the 20" barrel was retained - despite the desire and recomendations of the soliders that had been deployed to Kosovo to adopt a flatop version of the C8 for Infantry usage.

	As well despite soldiers desiring a more robust scope that the C79 a program was put to replace them with the C79A2 effectively the same scope that has an upgraded mount available in civilian circles. No effrot was made to obtain a Close Combat Optic that the US and Allies had been leaning to since the Somalia conflict.		As well despite soldiers desiring a more robust scope that the C79 a program was put to replace them with the C79A2 effectively the same scope that has an upgraded mount available in civilian circles. No effrot was made to obtain a Close Combat Optic that the US and Allies had been leaning to since the Somalia conflict.
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	Roto2 Op Athena was the first widescale issue of the C7A2 -		Roto2 Op Athena was the first widescale issue of the C7A2 -
	-the green furniture was not the right choice for desert warfare		*the green furniture was not the right choice for desert warfare
	- the 20" barrel was not appreciated		*the 20" barrel was not appreciated
	- The TRIAD had numerous problems		*The TRIAD had numerous problems
	etc.		*etc.


	Currently the idea is to tranfrom the Land Force to the C7A2 and the Infantry units and supporting trades will recieve the C8FTHB (Flatop heavy barrel - effectively a C8SFW without the KAC M4RAS)		Currently the idea is to tranfrom the Land Force to the C7A2 and the Infantry units and supporting trades will recieve the C8FTHB (Flatop heavy barrel - effectively a C8SFW without the KAC M4RAS)

Walford: formatted photos

2006-05-19T05:37:58Z

formatted photos

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	The C7A1 had been criticised especially by 1VP in Kosovo as being cumbersome, and very awkward to adapt to nigth operations. Such that members where oftem stuck with a pistol during some operations since in body armour they could not effectively use the C7A1 with its fixed buttstock. A Coy 1PPCLI had been lent a number of KAC (Knights Armament Company) M5RAS (Rail Accessory System) that provided an aluminum M1913 Picatiny rail handguard for the attachment of flashlights and Infra-Red lasers (at that point the Insight PAC4A and B). Similarily a large quantity of the C79 ELCAN scopes where N/S due to wear (or poor design) so something was going to have to be done about the Forces principle small arm.		The C7A1 had been criticised especially by 1VP in Kosovo as being cumbersome, and very awkward to adapt to nigth operations. Such that members where oftem stuck with a pistol during some operations since in body armour they could not effectively use the C7A1 with its fixed buttstock. A Coy 1PPCLI had been lent a number of KAC (Knights Armament Company) M5RAS (Rail Accessory System) that provided an aluminum M1913 Picatiny rail handguard for the attachment of flashlights and Infra-Red lasers (at that point the Insight PAC4A and B). Similarily a large quantity of the C79 ELCAN scopes where N/S due to wear (or poor design) so something was going to have to be done about the Forces principle small arm.
	C7A1 w/M5RAS		C7A1 w/M5RAS
	[~~IMG]http~~:~~//img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/~~KevonpatrolwRCMP.jpg~~[/IMG~~]		[[Image:KevonpatrolwRCMP.jpg\|right\|400px]]

	The time frame coninsided with the fact the USMC had recently released a requirement for the M16A4 - which was effectively a M16A2 with a flatop receiver (a la C7A1) with a M5 RAS, the US Army had decided that they required a shorter modular weapon and had ordered full scale transition from the M16A2 to the M4 (and M4A1 for SOF).		The time frame coninsided with the fact the USMC had recently released a requirement for the M16A4 - which was effectively a M16A2 with a flatop receiver (a la C7A1) with a M5 RAS, the US Army had decided that they required a shorter modular weapon and had ordered full scale transition from the M16A2 to the M4 (and M4A1 for SOF).

	For reasons that still baffles the land force the LCMM and Diemaco quoted the Army $834.93 for each M5 RAS when the Army went to consider a modular handguard section. Having seen the memo from KAC to Diemaco (right of first refusal on small arms contracts) the CF was to pay $220 USD -- or at then current rate of exchange $305 Cdn (FOB Vero Beach Fla.) The Army balked (and ignored the testing that had lead to the SOPMOD RIS/RAS) and adopted the Diemaco designed TRIAD-1 (or pitchfork as I like to call it).		For reasons that still baffles the land force the LCMM and Diemaco quoted the Army $834.93 for each M5 RAS when the Army went to consider a modular handguard section. Having seen the memo from KAC to Diemaco (right of first refusal on small arms contracts) the CF was to pay $220 USD -- or at then current rate of exchange $305 Cdn (FOB Vero Beach Fla.) The Army balked (and ignored the testing that had lead to the SOPMOD RIS/RAS) and adopted the Diemaco designed TRIAD-1 (or pitchfork as I like to call it).

	TRIAD-1		TRIAD-1
	[~~IMG]http~~:~~//img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/~~TRIAD.jpg[~~/IMG~~]		{\|
			\|[[Image:TRIAD.jpg\|300px]]
			\|[[Image:M203PAC.jpg\|300px]]
			\|}
	TRIAD not compatible with Canadian M203 as PAC/PEQ must be moved to a different mount		TRIAD not compatible with Canadian M203 as PAC/PEQ must be moved to a different mount
	~~[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/M203PAC.jpg[/IMG]~~

	Due to both budgetary and the desire of the Infantry Corps RSM for rifle drill (not SMG drill) the 20" barrel was retained - despite the desire and recomendations of the soliders that had been deployed to Kosovo to adopt a flatop version of the C8 for Infantry usage.		Due to both budgetary and the desire of the Infantry Corps RSM for rifle drill (not SMG drill) the 20" barrel was retained - despite the desire and recomendations of the soliders that had been deployed to Kosovo to adopt a flatop version of the C8 for Infantry usage.


	As well despite soldiers desiring a more robust scope that the C79 a program was put to replace them with the C79A2 effectively the same scope that has an upgraded mount available in civilian circles. No effrot was made to obtain a Close Combat Optic that the US and Allies had been leaning to since the Somalia conflict.		As well despite soldiers desiring a more robust scope that the C79 a program was put to replace them with the C79A2 effectively the same scope that has an upgraded mount available in civilian circles. No effrot was made to obtain a Close Combat Optic that the US and Allies had been leaning to since the Somalia conflict.
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	Currently the idea is to tranfrom the Land Force to the C7A2 and the Infantry units and supporting trades will recieve the C8FTHB (Flatop heavy barrel - effectively a C8SFW without the KAC M4RAS)		Currently the idea is to tranfrom the Land Force to the C7A2 and the Infantry units and supporting trades will recieve the C8FTHB (Flatop heavy barrel - effectively a C8SFW without the KAC M4RAS)

	[~~IMG]http~~:~~//img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/~~C8FTHB.jpg~~[/IMG~~]		{\|
			\|[[Image:C8FTHB.jpg\|350px]]
	~~C8A1 versus C8SFW~~		\|[[Image:C8toSFW.jpg\|400px\|thumb\|C8A1 versus C8SFW.]]
	[~~IMG]http~~:~~//img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Weapons/~~C8toSFW.jpg~~[/IMG~~]		\|}


	What the end state was		What the end state was
	C8		*C8
	C8A1		*C8A1
	C8SFW		*C8SFW
	C7A2		*C7A2
	C7CT		*C7CT
	Remington 870		*Remington 870

	[~~IMG]http~~:~~//img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/~~IMG_3511.jpg~~[/IMG~~]		[[Image:IMG_3511.jpg\|500px]]


	More to follow		More to follow

Cardinal: C7A2

2006-05-19T05:04:31Z

C7A2

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The C7A2 was a "mid-life" service upgrade - albiet done on the LCMM - SA's (Life Cycle Material Manager Small Arms) meager budget.

The C7A1 had been criticised especially by 1VP in Kosovo as being cumbersome, and very awkward to adapt to nigth operations. Such that members where oftem stuck with a pistol during some operations since in body armour they could not effectively use the C7A1 with its fixed buttstock. A Coy 1PPCLI had been lent a number of KAC (Knights Armament Company) M5RAS (Rail Accessory System) that provided an aluminum M1913 Picatiny rail handguard for the attachment of flashlights and Infra-Red lasers (at that point the Insight PAC4A and B). Similarily a large quantity of the C79 ELCAN scopes where N/S due to wear (or poor design) so something was going to have to be done about the Forces principle small arm.
C7A1 w/M5RAS
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/KevonpatrolwRCMP.jpg[/IMG]

The time frame coninsided with the fact the USMC had recently released a requirement for the M16A4 - which was effectively a M16A2 with a flatop receiver (a la C7A1) with a M5 RAS, the US Army had decided that they required a shorter modular weapon and had ordered full scale transition from the M16A2 to the M4 (and M4A1 for SOF).

For reasons that still baffles the land force the LCMM and Diemaco quoted the Army $834.93 for each M5 RAS when the Army went to consider a modular handguard section. Having seen the memo from KAC to Diemaco (right of first refusal on small arms contracts) the CF was to pay $220 USD -- or at then current rate of exchange $305 Cdn (FOB Vero Beach Fla.) The Army balked (and ignored the testing that had lead to the SOPMOD RIS/RAS) and adopted the Diemaco designed TRIAD-1 (or pitchfork as I like to call it).
TRIAD-1
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/TRIAD.jpg[/IMG]
TRIAD not compatible with Canadian M203 as PAC/PEQ must be moved to a different mount
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/M203PAC.jpg[/IMG]

Due to both budgetary and the desire of the Infantry Corps RSM for rifle drill (not SMG drill) the 20" barrel was retained - despite the desire and recomendations of the soliders that had been deployed to Kosovo to adopt a flatop version of the C8 for Infantry usage.

As well despite soldiers desiring a more robust scope that the C79 a program was put to replace them with the C79A2 effectively the same scope that has an upgraded mount available in civilian circles. No effrot was made to obtain a Close Combat Optic that the US and Allies had been leaning to since the Somalia conflict.

Then several addtions where decided upon in order to make the weapon easier on left handed firers. A modified version of the Norgon Ambi-Catch was added to the mag could be released from either side of the weapon, however for reasons unaware the Diemaco version had less of an engagement surface and was easily bumped and the mag would fall out -- After speaking with Robert Garrett president of Norgon LLC he went to Diemaco and corrected their error. Apparently someone had thought with less engagement surface it woudl make for faster reloads...

A "tactical" charging handle was added - the idea was that left handed personnel could charge the weapon easier without removing their hand from the pistol grip this way -- however it was a large piece of metal that stuck out from the weapon -- getting tangled and bent often.

When 3PPCLI returned from Afghanistan with the first "real" combat deployment since Korea a number of weapon modication recomondations where made specifically to adopt the C8SFW en masse for the Infantry.

In DLR 5-5 Maj Louis DeSoussa was listening however he had a limited budget and a LCMM that beleived he knew better.

So for Roto0 Op Athena many C8's where made avialable for the Infantry and supporting personnel in the form of a C8A1 (flattop C8)
AND Maj D had ordered the C8A1's from Diemaco with an added perk - the EOTECH HDS (holographic difraction sight) (a close combat optic that had been in use with Canadian SOF very sucessfully for the past few years)

Roto2 Op Athena was the first widescale issue of the C7A2 -
-the green furniture was not the right choice for desert warfare
- the 20" barrel was not appreciated
- The TRIAD had numerous problems
etc.

Currently the idea is to tranfrom the Land Force to the C7A2 and the Infantry units and supporting trades will recieve the C8FTHB (Flatop heavy barrel - effectively a C8SFW without the KAC M4RAS)

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/C8FTHB.jpg[/IMG]

C8A1 versus C8SFW
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What the end state was
C8
C8A1
C8SFW
C7A2
C7CT
Remington 870

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