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Final delivery on 6 March. Total of 16,500 C22 pistols for Army, Navy, and Air Force and 3,200 C24 pistols for the MPs.
In my 11 years in, I actually don't remember doing any pistol training at all minus a few rounds downrange early on in my career. (2 mags worth I think)The Army spends so little effort on proper, quality pistol training, that this shouldn't be an issue.
Is that 16,500 for general issue + 3500 for MP use? Or 16,500 total? (With 3500 of that 16,500 meant for MP use?)Final delivery on 6 March. Total of 16,500 C22 pistols for Army, Navy, and Air Force and 3,200 C24 pistols for the MPs.
Pistol training is a huge afterthought. Or at least it was. It may have changed.In my 11 years in, I actually don't remember doing any pistol training at all minus a few rounds downrange early on in my career. (2 mags worth I think)
I tell people that I can shot pistol despite my army training.....Pistol training is a huge afterthought. Or at least it was. It may have changed.
I guess it was different in my day as an officer as it was taught on our basic arty officers course as our primary weapon and I ended up having to qualify on it frequently including later after I transferred to JAG.Pistol training is a huge afterthought. Or at least it was. It may have changed.
Same here. I was always relatively proficient with the BHP, even competing for a few years. I was lucky enough about 15 years ago to get some great pistol training from some CANSOF instructors. But when I switched over to the LE world (now a firearms instructor) and then into IPSC, I realized just how poorly the mainstream CAF was at teaching pistol. I desperatrly hope this has improved with the C22/C24 entering service.I got to shoot it a bit on workup for tour. Otherwise the only time I got decent pistol training was on my UOI course. I’ve been lucky to get quite a bit more training since, and it really just hammered home how little the army did.
The difference is round count. Nobody will be proficient and competent with a pistol firing 75 rounds a year with 50 of those being the qualification test. You need a thousand rounds or more per person with a good instructor to student ratio to build confidence, competency and muscle memory. Once that's there you can drop the annual round count down but the initial training bill is something the CAF doesn't want to pay.
I’m fine with that, adopt the C8 as the PDW for those who need something smaller than a rifle (or whatever replaces the C8, is SARP II still an ongoing project?)The more we keep pistols away from those who don't use them as their primary weapon & train continuously to use them safely and effectively, the fewer NDs and other self-inflicted wounds we'll probably have
This andThe difference is round count. Nobody will be proficient and competent with a pistol firing 75 rounds a year with 50 of those being the qualification test. You need a thousand rounds or more per person with a good instructor to student ratio to build confidence, competency and muscle memory. Once that's there you can drop the annual round count down but the initial training bill is something the CAF doesn't want to pay.
this are very true. Very true.Pistol shooting is a very perishable skill. 1k rounds a month is a minimal maintenance level for high level shooting.
Back in A-Stan, our Squadron Sergent Major did a misfire incident when unloading before entering the FOB. He never got charged for that incident and your post is 100% accurate.What I’m not fine with is delivering no real pistol training, but giving pistols to people when they arrive in theatre — that’s the real unsafe practice.
Both simulators and dry firing are obviously much cheaper than live fire, but take time away from all of the command and policy driven briefings, circle talks and any of the other mind numbing PowerPoints CAF members are required to survive annually.
You can`t kill what you can`t hit.This is all part of the marksmanship psychological preparation plan to make people mad enough to kill people
I’m fine with that, adopt the C8 as the PDW for those who need something smaller than a rifle (or whatever replaces the C8, is SARP II still an ongoing project?)
What I’m not fine with is delivering no real pistol training, but giving pistols to people when they arrive in theatre — that’s the real unsafe practice.
Bring back the M1 Carbine ?
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