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What Might Civil War Be Like?

Colin Parkinson

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Amusing the Dems are upset that Trump might use the same tactics they are prepared to use. I really hope that the result is clear, either way.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/09/05/bernie-sanders-america-must-be-prepared-when-trump-refuses-to-leave-office-n896207?fbclid=IwAR02pG4bt4lJPxM7Gl3efVuB68aM9HvOQI52PSoy7g3cYgWOMX223RPSXRo
 

a_majoor

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Not sure why Malwarebytes put up the warning - I use it and there was no warning on my computers. But be aware.

One more link (which I scanned) observing Antifa in action:

https://survivalblog.com/intelligence-gathering-protests-j-d/
 

a_majoor

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Disturbing to think the parallels are that close - is the US already in Bleeding Kansas territory?

https://pjmedia.com/columns/tyler-o-neil/2020/09/09/has-the-second-american-civil-war-already-started-n880940

This is a longer one, and not easy to snip, so follow the link.
 

Colin Parkinson

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Not sure if I agree with the authors opinion on slavery role in the start of the civil war. Also the States that might cede are no where near as independent as the States where prior to the civil war and likely incapable of forming a true counter to the "traditional US States", nor is it likely their National Guard would answer the call to arms to oppose other Americans in combat against them.
 

a_majoor

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More is becoming revealed about the backers and organizers of the insurgency. Considering that the riots erupted in 300 US cities, it isn't difficult to believe this process happening in multiple places - this is one instance where they were caught on video doing so:

https://www.nationalistreview.net/2020/09/23/video-we-handed-out-supplies-anarchist-agent-holly-zoller-behind-u-haul-brought-to-louisville-riot/

And it tracks with an earlier statement by the Deputy Commissioner of Intelligence and Counterterrorism of the NYC

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nypds-terrorism-chief-says-unnamed-groups-planned-protest-violence-in-advance/2440722/

"Before the protests began, organizers of certain anarchists groups set out to raise bail money and people who would be responsible to be raising bail money, they set out to recruit medics and medical teams with gear to deploy in anticipation of violent interactions with police," Miller said.

He added, "They prepared to commit property damage and directed people who were following them that this should be done selectively and only in wealthier areas or at high-end stores run by corporate entities."

Without specifying who "they" are, Miller said the agitators "developed a complex network of bicycle scouts to move ahead of demonstrators in different directions of where police were and where police were not for purposes of being able to direct groups from the larger group to places where they could commit acts of vandalism including the torching of police vehicles and Molotov cocktails where they thought officers would not be."
 

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In ordinary times Holly Zoller would be charged with inciting a riot or some such charge. But in times such as these where civil war on some scale is threatening, it looks like police are choosing to let sleeping dogs lie.

And now any incident that even looks like it could be police brutality could be the spark that starts America burning.
 

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A maga militia?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sethcohen/2020/09/21/a-maga-militia-how-the-presidents-campaign-is-recruiting-an-army-for-trump/#2b74d05a1a4d
 

Donald H

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mariomike said:
A maga militia?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sethcohen/2020/09/21/a-maga-militia-how-the-presidents-campaign-is-recruiting-an-army-for-trump/#2b74d05a1a4d

Gee, I wonder if the FBI is getting prepared for a Trump loss?
 

Brad Sallows

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>A maga militia?

Doubtful.  Exhortatory martial rhetoric is common in US politics among both major political parties.
 

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Brad Sallows said:
>A maga militia?

Doubtful.  Exhortatory martial rhetoric is common in US politics among both major political parties.

Well Brad, that's one of the answers we're looking for. Personally, I agree that's true but I don't agree that a Trump loss will stop short of violence escalating to near civil war levels.

However, there are ways of defusing a crisis situation and one of them is to draw the releasing of results out over a long period of time.That's pretty much what is being predicted already because of the mail-in ballots that will be mostly Biden's.

So regardless of whether that's necessary or not to hold up deciding the winner, I'll be that's what has to happen to keep the peace.
 

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Donald H said:
Well Brad, that's one of the answers we're looking for.

Well Donald H,

I'm curious. Within your posts, you often refer to "we" or "we're". Who or what is "we"?
 

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Well Donald H,

I'm curious. Within your posts, you often refer to "we" or "we're". Who or what is "we"?

Well Walt, note that I've awarded you 100 milpoints for this post. And note the reason why.
The reason why I didn't deduct 100 is because that's not the way I operate.

You're the one who tossed out the comments about me and Shawn50 and then said you were leaving because of our behaviour. If you wish to engage in a conversation with me then please demonstrate your intent.

Your question above is hard to answer because 'we' is not always the same 'we'.

:cheers:
 

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Donald H said:
Your question above is hard to answer because 'we' is not always the same 'we'.

:cheers:

OK. My "bad" then for not understanding your reference (as I shake my head). Take care.
 

Brad Sallows

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>Your question above is hard to answer because 'we' is not always the same 'we'.

You guys working in shifts there?
 

a_majoor

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This is not good at all.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/2020-is-tumbling-toward-1917/

2020 Is Tumbling Toward 1917
We think we're safe from revolution. We're wrong—it's already in the works.
OCTOBER 2, 2020|12:01 AM
HELEN ANDREWS

When the Russian Revolution toppled the czar and put the Bolsheviks into power, the civilized countries of western Europe had good reason to tell themselves it could never happen to them. Russia was a barbaric country with a lopsided social structure, masses of peasants and no middle class to speak of. Their political system was a relic of the past, a time when street revolutions still happened. The rest of Europe was more modern, with constitutions and parliaments and labor unions. Any political conflict could work itself out through those proper channels.

Then came the German revolution of 1918-19, and civilized Europe had to recalibrate its sense of what was possible. Street unrest led to the forced abdication of the kaiser, the proclamation of a republic, a soviet government in Munich, and a near-miss of one in Berlin, only prevented by a timely blow to Rosa Luxemburg’s head. The uprising did not fulfill all its proponents’ hopes, in terms of ushering in a new socialist dawn, but it decisively refuted the idea that modern conditions had made revolution obsolete.

The Sixties left Americans feeling equally sure that a revolution could never happen here. An entire generation went into open rebellion, urban unrest exploded, tanks rolled through the streets of Los Angeles and Detroit, periodic bombings made many worry that the counterculture’s Lenin might be out there waiting for his moment—and yet we survived the nightmare unscathed. Americans concluded that our prosperity, or the flexibility of our political system, or maybe just the forward march of civilization, had transformed street rebellion from a genuine threat into a safe pastime for earnest young idealists.

But are we really so safe? In June, the great Russian literature professor Gary Saul Morson told The Wall Street Journal that America was starting to feel eerily familiar. “It’s astonishingly like late 19th-, early 20th-century Russia, when basically the entire educated class felt you simply had to be against the regime or some sort of revolutionary,” he said. Even the moderate Kadet Party could not bring itself to condemn terrorism against the czar, any more than a modern Democrat could condemn Black Lives Matter: “A famous line from one of the liberal leaders put it this way: ‘Condemn terrorism? That would be the moral death of the party.’”

Today, the Resistance is already signalling that they won’t accept a Trump victory in November any more than they accepted one in 2016. After the last election, they attempted a soft coup by means of the Russiagate scandal and impeachment. What kind of coup will come next? By looking at the Russian precedent, we can evaluate the risk that this country might enact our own distinctively American version of 1917—and how close we have come to it already.

What makes this so chilling is the "elites" both then and now have no investment in the current system, and indeed seem more interested in overturning it than preserving it. Add an ever escalating insurgency on the ground and extra stress personal, economic and political stress due to the pandemic, and you have  toxic brew simmering under everything.

Remainder of article on link
 

Colin Parkinson

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According to my Russian friends, the real trigger for the revolt started because the government failed to keep the roads in the cities cleared so the flour/grain could get to the bakeries, leading to a shortage of bread. The Soviets on gaining power, made sure the roads were cleared so the bread could be baked. The moral of the story is to ensure the basics exist, then there is much less incentive to effectively revolt.
 

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Colin P said:
According to my Russian friends, the real trigger for the revolt started because the government failed to keep the roads in the cities cleared so the flour/grain could get to the bakeries, leading to a shortage of bread. The Soviets on gaining power, made sure the roads were cleared so the bread could be baked. The moral of the story is to ensure the basics exist, then there is much less incentive to effectively revolt.

Roman bread and circuses.

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Colin P said:
The moral of the story is to ensure the basics exist, then there is much less incentive to effectively revolt.

Also, make sure that you use 'force' effectively:

“When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.”

― Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers
 

Brad Sallows

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>What makes this so chilling is the "elites" both then and now have no investment in the current system, and indeed seem more interested in overturning it than preserving it.

That doesn't make any sense.  The "elites" are wholly devoted to the current system, which they see as being interrupted (at risk of being overturned) by Trump's administration, or by populism (right or left).  Their entire collective being is devoted to re-establishing their control and their sinecures.
 
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