Victimization of Veterans

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Maybe people are more resilient than some would think?

eg: In the wake of the terrorist attacks at the World Trade Center, more than 9,000 counselors went to New York City to offer aid to rescue workers, families, and direct victims of the violence of September 11, 2001.

"Although psychological debriefing is widely used throughout the world to prevent PTSD, there is no convincing evidence that it does so. Some evidence suggests that it may impede natural recovery."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26151755

I was hesitant in wading into this discussion, however being the pedant than I am, I am also somewhat quick to point out the flaws in citing individual studies/abstracts/reports as proof/indication of anything.  Therefore, I would be wary of Mario's quoted reference since the work is nearing 15 years old.  With the incidence of military service related stress disorders on the increase since that time, it may have been more appropriate to quote something more recent and more (military) relevant.  However, I think that the passage quoted by Mario, while supporting the theorem that "debriefing" may be counterproductive, it doesn't distinguish between debriefing (immediately after an event for everyone) and "early intervention" (shortly after an event when participants "may" be displaying warning signs). Perhaps it would have been better to quote (especially for those who don't bother to read the item linked) the following from the same abstract.

Some researchers have developed early interventions to treat individuals who are already showing marked stress symptoms, and have tested methods of identifying those at risk for chronic PTSD. The single most important indicator of subsequent risk for chronic PTSD appears to be the severity or number of posttrauma symptoms from about 1 to 2 weeks after the event onward (provided that the event is over and that there is no ongoing threat). Cognitive-behavioral treatments differ from crisis intervention (e.g., debriefing) in that they are delivered weeks or months after the trauma, and therefore constitute a form of psychotherapy, not immediate emotional first aid. Several controlled trials suggest that certain cognitive-behavioral therapy methods may reduce the incidence of PTSD among people exposed to traumatic events. These methods are more effective than either supportive counseling or no intervention. In this monograph, we review risk factors for PTSD, research on psychological debriefing, recent recommendations for crisis intervention and the identification of individuals at risk of chronic PTSD, and research on early interventions based on cognitive-behavioral therapy. We close by placing the controversy regarding early aid for trauma survivors in its social, political, and economic context.

Something more recent (2017) that posits a similar position on "debriefing" is

The Air Force Deployment Transition Center: Assessment of Program Structure, Process, and Outcomes.

Abstract

It is often accepted as common knowledge that military personnel benefit from decompression time between a war zone and the home station. To capitalize on the potential benefits of a decompression period paired with support services, the U.S. Air Force established the Deployment Transition Center (DTC) at Ramstein Air Base in Germany in July 2010. The DTC provides airmen returning from combat missions with an opportunity to decompress and share lessons learned before returning to their home stations. The authors of this study evaluate the structure, processes, and outcomes of the DTC program. They find that, although a majority of participants found the DTC program worthwhile, a comparison of DTC participants and similar airmen who did not participate the program shows no evidence that the program helps reduce posttraumatic stress disorder symptoms, depressive symptoms, binge drinking, or social conflicts with family and coworkers. In addition, one of the DTC program elements appears to be similar to posttraumatic debriefing interventions, which several studies have found to be either ineffective or harmful. For these reasons, if the main goals of the DTC program are to improve behavioral health and social conflict outcomes, the authors recommend that the DTC program be discontinued or redesigned and Air Force resources invested in alternative programs. However, if the DTC program has other goals, such as providing rest and relaxation to airmen after a difficult deployment or capturing after-action information, then the authors recommend that these goals be documented and the DTC program be more specifically tailored to them.

But the discussion of whether or not intervention is helpful (or even welcome) for all who may suffer from PTSD is straying a bit from the OP which has  certainly unleashed some varying opinions about the personal qualities of the individuals involved in murder/suicide or even about the definition of murder.

To start, I would suggest that instead of speculating about the relationship between PTSD and "murder", change the terminology to "Intimate Partner Violence" (IPV) and you may find a few more studies that may challenge some of the statements made here that there is no correlation.  After all, IPV may be considered a continuum of behaviours/action that range from the mild to the ultimate violent action, homicide.  Thus, I offer this link as a discussion point.

The Role of PTSD in Bi-directional Intimate Partner Violence in Military and Veteran Populations: A Research Review.

Abstract

Evidence supporting the higher prevalence of PTSD linked to combat-related trauma in military personnel and veteran populations is well-established. Consequently, much research has explored the effects that combat related trauma and the subsequent PTSD may have on different aspects of relationship functioning and adjustment. In particular, PTSD in military and veterans has been linked with perpetrating intimate partner violence (IPV). New research and theoretical perspectives suggest that in order to respond effectively to IPV, a more accurate understanding of the direction of the violence experienced within each relationship is critical. In both civilian and military populations, research that has examined the direction of IPV's, bi-directional violence have been found to be highly prevalent. Evidence is also emerging as to how these bi-directional violence differ in relation to severity, motivation, physical and psychological consequences and risk factors. Of particular importance within military IPV research is the need to deepen understanding about the role of PTSD in bi-directional IPV not only as a risk factor for perpetration but also as a vulnerability risk factor for victimization, as findings from recent research suggest. This paper provides a timely, critical review of emergent literature to disentangle what is known about bi-directional IPV patterns in military and veteran populations and the roles that military or veterans' PTSD may play within these patterns. Although, this review aimed to identify global research on the topic, the majority of research meeting the inclusion criteria was from US, with only one study identified from outside, from Canada. Strengths and limitations in the extant research are identified. Directions for future research are proposed with a particular focus on the kinds of instruments and designs needed to better capture the complex interplay of PTSD and bi-directional IPV in military populations and further the development of effective interventions.

The full article is available (see below abstract at link) and the Canadian study is also on-line Cross-sectional prevalence survey of intimate partner violence perpetration and victimization in Canadian military personnel

 

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Changing direction a bit, I got a strange missive from the Rebel. (The Rebel is interesting SA for what passes for the Canadian "right" these days). According to them, their charitable fundraising for CF members has been rejected by both CFB Borden (the initial cause for their fundraising drive) and by another charitable organization. Is anyone aware of this from the other direction (i.e. from the POV of Base Borden or the Canada Company?) I'd like to get a better view of this because the story is so strange:

https://www.therebel.media/liberal_meddlers_and_interlopers_hate_rebel_more_than_they_love_our_veterans?utm_campaign=rr_04_06_18&utm_medium=email&utm_source=therebel