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US to establish martial law?

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Politics is decidedly odd here....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-americans-are-coming-texans-fear-obama-led-us-military-invasion/2015/07/04/58047fee-2001-11e5-84d5-eb37ee8eaa61_story.html

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The Americans are coming! Some in a Texas county fear an Obama-led U.S. military invasion.

BASTROP, Texas — The office of the Bastrop County Republican Party is in an old lumber mill on Main Street, with peeling brown paint and a sign out front that captures the party’s feelings about the Obama administration: “WISE UP AMERICA!”

Inside, county Chairman Albert Ellison pulled out a yellow legal pad on which he had written page after page of reasons why many Texans distrust President Obama, including the fact that, “in the minds of some, he was raised by communists and mentored by terrorists.”

So it should come as no surprise, Ellison said, that as the U.S. military prepares to launch one of the largest training exercises in history later this month, many Bastrop residents might suspect a secret Obama plot to spy on them, confiscate their guns and ultimately establish martial law in one of America’s proudly free conservative states.


They are not “nuts and wackos. They are concerned citizens, and they are patriots,” Ellison said of his suspicious neighbors. “Obama has really painted a portrait in the minds of many conservatives that he is capable of this sort of thing.”

Across town at the Bastrop County Courthouse, such talk elicits a weary sigh from County Judge Paul Pape, the chief official in this county of 78,000 people. Pape said he has tried to explain to folks that the exercise, known as Jade Helm 15, is a routine training mission that poses no threat to anyone.

Pape chaired a public meeting this spring and invited a U.S. Army Special Operations Command spokesman to answer questions about Jade Helm. The meeting drew more than 150 people carrying signs that read “No Gestapo in Bastropo,” “Keep America Free” and “Dissent is Not a Conspiracy Theory.” Some asked whether the Army was bringing in Islamic State fighters, if the United Nations would be involved, and whether the military was planning to relieve local gun owners of their firearms.

“I’m sensitive to the fact that some of our Bastrop residents are concerned, and I’m confident that they are very sincere about their concerns,” Pape said. “But how did we get to this point in our country?”

Race and economic anxiety
Here in the soft, green farmlands east of Austin, some say the answer is simple: “The truth is, this stems a fair amount from the fact that we have a black president,” said Terry Orr, who was Bastrop’s mayor from 2008 to 2014.

Orr said he strongly disagrees with those views, and he supports Jade Helm. But he said a significant number of people in town distrust Obama because they think he is primarily concerned with the welfare of blacks and “illegal aliens.”

“People think the government is just not on the side of the white guy,” Orr said.

Bastrop’s current mayor, Kenneth Kesselus, who also supports Jade Helm, agrees. Kesselus said the distrust is due in part to a sense that “things aren’t as good as they used to be,” especially economically. “The middle class is getting squeezed and they’ve got to take it out on somebody, and Obama is a great target.”

“How did we get to this point in our country?” Bastrop County Judge Paul Pape wonders. (Erich Schlegel/For The Washington Post)
Dock Jackson, 62, an African American who has been on the Bastrop City Council for 24 years, grew up when the town was still segregated, literally by railroad tracks. Today, Bastrop is 34 percent Hispanic and 8 percent black, and a wonderful place to live, he said, a place where the races generally get along.

But the Jade Helm backlash has been a “red flag” that our county “still has a lot of things they need to come to terms with,” Jackson said, including the anger and disrespect being directed at the president.

At a recent family reunion at a Bastrop community center, Mark Peterson, who is black, said he has been “shocked” by what he views as racist undertones in much of the objection to Jade Helm.

“What I hate to hear most is, ‘We want to take our country back.’ This is still your country. Where did it go?” said Peterson, 42, a technology manager for a financial firm in Austin. “If it were any other president but Obama, it would not be an issue.”

Jade Helm’s troubles started with a map, released by the military, which depicted the area of operations. It showed seven southwestern states colored red for “hostile” (including Texas) and blue for “permissive” (including California). The map sent the conspiracy-minded into overdrive.

At the public hearing this spring, military spokesman Lt. Col. Mark Lastoria explained that those designations are part of a fictional scenario: Jade Helm is intended to simulate U.S. Special Forces helping resistance fighters restore democracy in an imaginary country. The operation’s logo, which features a Dutch wooden shoe, is meant to represent anti-Nazi resistance in World War II Europe.

Lastoria patiently answered questions for nearly three hours, explaining that while Jade Helm would involve 1,200 troops across seven states, no more than 60 would be training in Bastrop County. Moreover, the The Texas operation would be confined to military bases — including Camp Swift, a large Army National Guard base in Bastrop — as well as private property where the military had secured the landowners’ permission.

“All service members take an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, and we put our lives on the line every day to uphold that oath,” he said. “So for people to come up with irrational ideas and try to associate them with the United States military, it does our troops a disservice.”

The hearing failed to tamp down the paranoia, however. Ellison, the GOP chairman, said “the fear factor is justified.”

Obama “doesn’t take national threats seriously enough,” Ellison said, ticking off Obama’s policies toward Russia, Iran, Cuba and the Islamic State, as well as illegal immigration across the U.S. southern border and the deadly attack in Benghazi, Libya.

“What he views as alarming instead is conservatism,” Ellison said, alleging that the Obama administration has used the Internal Revenue Service to attack the tea party and other conservative groups, been hostile to gun owners, issued what conservatives consider an illegal executive order to avoid deporting illegal immigrants, and “been complicit in stirring riots” in racially charged situations in Ferguson, Mo., and Baltimore.

“The Obama administration has a history of attacking Texas” on issues from education standards to environmental regulations to Obamacare, he said. “It’s not that much of a leap to believe that he would try to employ the military like he does the IRS.”

Others suspect Obama wants to establish martial law to cancel the 2016 presidential elections and extend his term in office. Terry Wareham, head of the Bastrop County Tea Party, said she fears that the Obama administration might deliberately instigate violence between soldiers and Texans as a pretext for establishing martial law.

“We’re not against the military. This community is very supportive of the military,” Wareham said. “But who’s the commander in chief of the military?”

A ‘toxic’ politics
Some in Bastrop dismiss the talk of martial law as the delusional rantings of saucer-eyed loons. But others see it as the logical outcome of the Texas political climate, where they say the state’s Republican leaders have eagerly stoked distrust of the federal government, and especially of Obama.

“They are trying to convince people the federal government is coming after them,” said state Sen. Kirk Watson, a Democrat who represents Bastrop County.

Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has ordered the Texas State Guard to “monitor” Jade Helm 15. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, a Republican presidential hopeful, has said he understands “the reason for concern and uncertainty, because . . . the federal government has not demonstrated itself to be trustworthy in this administration.”

“They say the government is coming after you,” Watson said, “so why would you be surprised if the government shows up with guns?”

Carol Schumacher, a Bastrop artist whose property backs up onto Camp Swift, laughed when asked about the Jade Helm conspiracy theorists.

“I think those people are crazy,” she said. “I’m more worried about them taking over.”
 

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When I think it was 2 VP went to Fort Ord to train before a Balkans tour, somebody videotaped their white-painted vehicles with UN on the sides being transported by train. This bounced around for years as proof that the government had invited the "UN army" in to take over the country at some unspecified date.

Fortunately the nut bars are not a very large proportion of the population, but a low percentage of 300 plus million is still a lot of people. Plus, note Dimsum's comment above. Don't forget that the US is the third most populous country in the world after China and India.
 

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I don't know what I find harder to believe about this story, how long the media has made it a part of their coverage, or just how paranoid and delusional a certain small part of the population actually believe this crap.

http://army.ca/forums/threads/112865/post-1358796.html#msg1358796

http://army.ca/forums/threads/112865/post-1364541.html#msg1364541

http://army.ca/forums/threads/112865/post-1365205.html#msg1365205

I think that the press interest is mainly due to the approaching campaign season, with perhaps a bent to making the more fringe political elements on the right look extreme to dim their effect on the more moderate political elements. :Tin-Foil-Hat:

But one line in the article sums up the whole issue since Obama was elected as president:

“What I hate to hear most is, ‘We want to take our country back.’ This is still your country. Where did it go?” said Peterson, 42, a technology manager for a financial firm in Austin. “If it were any other president but Obama, it would not be an issue.”

 

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Like the days of the "White Vehicles" signalling a U.N. takeover?
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"Bastrop residents challenge Army colonel in Jade Helm briefing"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2wdDZB0b7s
 

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Blackadder1916 said:
"Bastrop residents challenge Army colonel in Jade Helm briefing"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2wdDZB0b7s

:facepalm:

The best was the one who brought the Webster's Dictionary.  Who does that?! 
 

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I know a guy who runs a helicopter company in the US and he does contracts involving the airborne inspection of transmission lines, pipelines and other similar industrial activities.

He told me they get shot at all the time because the locals believe they are 'Black Helicopters'. He's going to convert to drones as soon as he can for obvious safety reasons.

"A Black Helicopter is a helicopter that not only has been painted black, but one that also has no marking signs or unit insignias on it. Very often they are reported as being extremely quiet or nearly silent. A Black Helicopter is currently defined as a black, olive or maroon-painted almost silent helicopter lacking logos and unit insignias.

Normally, Black Helicopters are taken to be secret United Nations vehicles that are spying upon American citizens and are plotting a hostile take-over of the United States. This is part of the larger idea of there being a UN Conspiracy to take over America, imprison its citizens, undo the US Constitution, and replace it with a 'liberal, global, socialist, multi-lingual and multi-ethnic' tyranny.

At some times the Black Helicopters are said to be part of Cabal within the US government, or, if spotted in countries other than the US, to be part of a secret American project."

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread482402/pg1
 

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daftandbarmy said:
Normally, Black Helicopters are taken to be secret United Nations vehicles that are spying upon American citizens and are plotting a hostile take-over of the United States. This is part of the larger idea of there being a UN Conspiracy to take over America, imprison its citizens, undo the US Constitution, and replace it with a 'liberal, global, socialist, multi-lingual and multi-ethnic' tyranny.

Damn those multilingual and multi-ethnic tyrannies.
 

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daftandbarmy said:
I know a guy who runs a helicopter company in the US and he does contracts involving the airborne inspection of transmission lines, pipelines and other similar industrial activities.

He told me they get shot at all the time because the locals believe they are 'Black Helicopters'. He's going to convert to drones as soon as he can for obvious safety reasons.

"A Black Helicopter is a helicopter that not only has been painted black, but one that also has no marking signs or unit insignias on it. Very often they are reported as being extremely quiet or nearly silent. A Black Helicopter is currently defined as a black, olive or maroon-painted almost silent helicopter lacking logos and unit insignias.

Normally, Black Helicopters are taken to be secret United Nations vehicles that are spying upon American citizens and are plotting a hostile take-over of the United States. This is part of the larger idea of there being a UN Conspiracy to take over America, imprison its citizens, undo the US Constitution, and replace it with a 'liberal, global, socialist, multi-lingual and multi-ethnic' tyranny.

At some times the Black Helicopters are said to be part of Cabal within the US government, or, if spotted in countries other than the US, to be part of a secret American project."

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread482402/pg1

These people clearly have never seen the UN try to sort itself out of a wet paper bag, let alone attack and control the U.S.A.... ::)
 

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Good2Golf said:
These people clearly have never seen the UN try to sort itself out of a wet paper bag, let alone attack and control the U.S.A.... ::)

How dare you let facts and "the truth" get in the way of a good conspiracy theory?  :blotto:
 

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Good2Golf said:
These people clearly have never seen the UN try to sort itself out of a wet paper bag, let alone attack and control the U.S.A.... ::)

Agreed.  The UN is largely incapable of mounting any kind of serious military operation.
 

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Pusser said:
Agreed.  The UN is largely incapable of mounting any kind of serious military operation.

Even a not so serious military operation ....
 

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I tend to see these paranoid conspiracy theories as an outgrowth of the myth of American exceptionalism - as in, 'we are so special, so exceptional, that the UN would conspire to take us down'.  The UN can barely manage low-intensity peacekeeping missions as it is, so the idea that they could mount an operation to take away all the guns the Americans have, impose martial law nationwide, and put them all into internment camps is really quite laughable.

Let's play devil's advocate for a moment and assume that the UN could mount such an operation. The end result would be something like Rwanda, times ten.

 

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Eland2 said:
I tend to see these paranoid conspiracy theories as an outgrowth of the myth of American exceptionalism - as in, 'we are so special, so exceptional, that the UN would conspire to take us down'.  The UN can barely manage low-intensity peacekeeping missions as it is, so the idea that they could mount an operation to take away all the guns the Americans have, impose martial law nationwide, and put them all into internment camps is really quite laughable.

Ah yes but the reason that it can't manage peacekeeping is because all of its energy is focused towards taking over America. WHY CAN'T YOU FOOLS SEE THIS!  ;)
 

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There aren't enough guns in all of Texas to face down all current UN blue helmets.

Oh wait, yes there are  ;D
 

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The UN would end up holding the Enclaves of San Fransisco, Chicago, Detroit, New York City and a few other small places. After a few months of protest, the rest of the US realize they are better off letting the UN run and pay for them. Negotiations are underway to allow the UN to occupy Washington DC, but only as long as they detain all of congress.
 

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We have our share of conspiracy nutbars as well. They are somewhat less vocal, but they're out there.
 

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You mean like the Quebec bozos who think that the Canadian Armed Forces are planning for an invasion of Quebec after a referendum every time the Eastern Ontario militias hold an exercise?
 
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