Unrest in Haiti, Again

[Weinie]

MIF-H (Op HALO, Haiti, 2004) was not a blue helmet mission. The follow on, Brazilian-led, force was UN, but the US/French/Chilean/Canadian intervention was not a UN mission. In many ways, it felt like a NEO that sort of decided to hang around after the evac was done. Somewhere between trying to make ourselves useful and mission creep.

Was there in 2004 twice. Went patrolling in Cite Soleil both times, and you could feel/see the gang members sizing you up, wondering whether it was worth their time/effort to take the Canadians on.

 

[OldSolduer]

Was there in 2004 twice. Went patrolling in Cite Soleil both times, and you could feel/see the gang members sizing you up, wondering whether it was worth their time/effort to take the Canadians on.

I reckon that would depend on the ROE, but I think they'd probably not have a good time.

 

[Weinie]

I reckon that would depend on the ROE, but I think they'd probably not have a good time.

Yeah, I was with a section of soldiers, but it was still sketchy.

 

[CBH99]

MIF-H (Op HALO, Haiti, 2004) was not a blue helmet mission. The follow on, Brazilian-led, force was UN, but the US/French/Chilean/Canadian intervention was not a UN mission. In many ways, it felt like a NEO that sort of0 decided to hang around after the evac was done. Somewhere between trying to make ourselves useful and mission creep.

I stand corrected. I thought I distinctly remembered them trialing new vests while down there, while at the same time remembering blue helmets.

Darn CERN & their mashing of universes...

 

[CBH99]

Was there in 2004 twice. Went patrolling in Cite Soleil both times, and you could feel/see the gang members sizing you up, wondering whether it was worth their time/effort to take the Canadians on.

Maybe this is why we should get involved, then?

If the gangs down there are robust enough & brazen enough to size up military forces on patrol, I imagine the locals must be feeling pretty trapped. Not to mention any police or security forces still wanting to believe in & live in a better community.



No gangs = better security situation.
Requirement = all that ammo that didn't get used last time...

 

[KevinB]

Maybe this is why we should get involved, then?

If the gangs down there are robust enough & brazen enough to size up military forces on patrol, I imagine the locals must be feeling pretty trapped. Not to mention any police or security forces still wanting to believe in & live in a better community.



No gangs = better security situation.
Requirement = all that ammo that didn't get used last time...

Again please see my point about Somalia…

 

[OldSolduer]

Again please see my point about Somalia…

I do not recall that particular time in history fondly. Although it was 30 years ago the effects that mission had on our CAF of today are still being felt.

 

[CBH99]

Again please see my point about Somalia…

Oh it's been seen, and I totally agree!

 

[Remius]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/armoured-vehicles-canada-haiti-gangs-1.6618016

Hmmmmm…..

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Two Battalions of Gurkha's might help.

 

[KevinB]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/armoured-vehicles-canada-haiti-gangs-1.6618016

Hmmmmm…..

Armored Vehicle is fairly nebulous. Could be anything from a LAV to a uparmor SOF Hummer.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Armored Vehicle is fairly nebulous. Could be anything from a LAV to a uparmor SOF Hummer.

They are vehicles bought by the Government for the Haitian National Police.

Des blindés commandés au Canada pour la PNH arrivent ce 15 octobre

Des véhicules blindés, commandés auprès d’une entreprise canadienne par le gouvernement haïtien pour un peu plus de 10 millions de dollars américains, « devraient commencer à arriver » samedi 15 octobre, a confié au Nouvelliste une source bien informée, vendredi 14 octobre 2022. « Je ne peux...

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[dapaterson]

First image of a vehicle being delivered by C-17. The caption, however...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1581363684789493761

 

[FJAG]

First image of a vehicle being delivered by C-17. The caption, however...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1581363684789493761

The comments to that tweet are disturbing. It seems we're being painted as racist colonizing invaders of Haiti. I didn't realize that gangs of looters and rapists and murderers had that active a social media IO program.

 

[dapaterson]

To be fair, given the history of western intervention in Haiti, I'd be extremely suspicious by default too.

 

[CBH99]

Is there a way we can clearly communicate the message “We don’t want to annex this shithole country” so it’s understood in ALL languages?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Why even get involved ?

Let the Bermuda Regiment handle this.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Why even get involved ?

Let the Bermuda Regiment handle this.

 

[CBH99]

Considering how tight lipped CANSOFCOM is about ALL of their missions, I’m going to assume that the Twitterverse is getting triggered over nothing.

They are right. No domestic media reporting on it…

But that doesn’t mean we’re secretly invading a shithole, poor country that would literally give us nothing but problems and absolutely zero reward. It means we have a plane that landed at the airport, and is delivering armoured vehicles most likely for embassy use.

Aka there isn’t any domestic media on this because it isn’t news. It’s a plane delivering an armoured humvee type vehicle, in a country where embassy staff do require additional protection.

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