Let’s not get too far into the weeds here…Ah yes, but do they get bullets?
Let’s not get too far into the weeds here…
I can see that as something our present leaders might get behind.Thread necro rather then create a new thread. Gangs in Haiti have virtually taken control of critical infrastructure to the point to Haitian ambassador to the US is requesting a US/canada security force be deployed to the country to battle the gangs and regain control
Better hope someone from GAC not reading this thread; might give them ideas.Bah, we’ll be fine!! What could possibly go wrong?
Just deploy a small contingent to be embedded with a lead force to “advise & assist them in their efforts to restore law & order, and critical food aid, to the people of Haiti.”
And use all the buzzwords & buzzphrases like ‘establishing safe areas’, delivering aid, etc. Dont use ugly words like ‘kill’ or ‘destroy’ but rather state we are ‘creating the conditions for a more peaceful tomorrow’ and ‘neutralizing threats to innocent civilians’.
And highlight how awesome we are for having our French units, a unique capability we offer to the world. Not to mention Canada is stepping up to that ‘up to 200 person QRF to the UN’ we offered up, etc
Only commit to a 3 month initial rotation during the ‘smash bad guys phase.’ Who doesn’t enjoy making the world a better place by cleaning it up from time to time?
Then offer up a platoon or 2 worth of troops on a continued rotation so people getting in (especially reservists) have an actual deployment they can do if they want.
Is this a terrible idea? Sure is!
But stepping up for the UN, battling street gangs so civilians can get the aid they need, a focus on French Canadians, increased retainment due to folks having a deployment they can work towards, and an organization that reimburses us most of the money we’d spend anyway?
Still a terrible idea, but it checks sooooo many boxes. Let’s go for it anyway…
(Is CBH99 being sarcastic or not?)
Here is the thing, none of the CARICOM countries want anything to do with Haiti because:How about the UN funding some Caribbean, Central American of African Nations to go in. They typically like the money.
Actually yes. 10 at the most for "self defence". In my world that translates to "you better have a sucking chest wound before you call for permission to shoot back"
Carried in the left breast pocket to ensure you can’t get to it in a hurryActually yes. 10 at the most for "self defence". In my world that translates to "you better have a sucking chest wound before you call for permission to shoot back"
Of course how could I forget.
And closed off with red gun tape.
Who needs plates when you can just have enemy rounds impact your own mags??
How are we supposed to bang bang all the gangbangers with only 10 rounds each? Are you sure we can’t shoot first?Actually yes. 10 at the most for "self defence". In my world that translates to "you better have a sucking chest wound before you call for permission to shoot back"
Haiti 2004 we had Carl G, 25mm HEI, Frang (and fin for some reason), along with 150 to 300 rounds personal issue. Didn't seem to help.
Didn't seem to help, how?Haiti 2004 we had Carl G, 25mm HEI, Frang (and fin for some reason), along with 150 to 300 rounds personal issue. Didn't seem to help.
If you don't change the leadership of the nation - and they all are a corrupt lot - then change in the population isn't going to happen either.Didn't seem to help, how?
In fairness to the UN, all missions specifically allow for self defense. Some made the mistake of not including a more LEO oriented Defence of Others aspect to the Deadly Force aspect of the ROE.If you don't change the leadership of the nation - and they all are a corrupt lot - then change in the population isn't going to happen either.
IF you are operating under a UN ROE it can be difficult to respond to situations.
But the ‘problem’ was not solved because said troops weren’t allowed to use said ammo…not because they didn’t carry enough of it.More ammo didn't solve the problem.
MIF-H (Op HALO, Haiti, 2004) was not a blue helmet mission. The follow on, Brazilian-led, force was UN, but the US/French/Chilean/Canadian intervention was not a UN mission. In many ways, it felt like a NEO that sort of decided to hang around after the evac was done. Somewhere between trying to make ourselves useful and mission creep.All kidding aside, I know they were deployed as blue helmets & the mission was security assistance/humanitarian in nature.