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KevinB said:
But why on earth would you make a 105mm SPA?
Sure you can make one - but why.
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Because you can climb Mount Everest ....

More importantly it is to explore the full range of potential. To be honest I would be just as happy with an optionally manned Wiesel 120, but with a full autoloader.

But, if somebody really, really were attached to the 105s, or wanted a 105mm Direct Fire Support Weapon - alternately known as a Self Propelled Anti-Tank Gun or Sturmgeschutz - a lightweight MGS with zero onboard crew - then I think there is reason to believe that a light infantry force could have a heavier DFS weapon available to it without having to go up to the 10 to 60 tonne range of vehicles.

Austria's Noricum mounted the Royal Ordnance 105mm L7 tank rifle on a towed carriage (with spades) for use as an anti-tank gun. It worked until replaced by missiles. That gun is the same one, I believe, that was found in the Stryker MGS.

So how heavy a carriage do you really need? And how big a motor?

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KevinB said:
But why on earth would you make a 105mm SPA?
Sure you can make one - but why.
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Because you can. :giggle:

Seriously though; with the right configuration you could easily make it airmobile to bring in close to an airmobile/airborne assault force. And spades are the answer. The M119 still has a role in those and other light IBCTs. To make one air transportable and then give it the ability to reposition itself is an advantage - right now they do that in combination with a HMMWV. One consideration though is where does the crew and ammo travel. You'd need at least one additional limber vehicle per gun.

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Kirkhill said:
That gun is the same one, I believe, that was found in the Stryker MGS.
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Not quite. The tube was the British designed L7 but the gun itself was built in the US with an American designed mount, recoil and breach system.

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The FH 70 motor is for slow speed work bringing the gun into and out of action. It ain't no SP.

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FJAG said:
Not quite. The tube was the British designed L7 but the gun itself was built in the US with an American designed mount, recoil and breach system.
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FJAG said:
The FH 70 motor is for slow speed work bringing the gun into and out of action. It ain't no SP.

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Got it that it ain't no SP.

But Wiesel, with its 86 HP engine on a 3 to 5 ton vehicle results in 17 to 28 HP per ton with speeds up to 70 km/h. A credible platform to direct remotely, either on a tether or wirelessly.
 
This video is an hour long, but nicely explains how economies go on a war footing and why Russia has not collapsed despite all the sanctions thrown at it by the West
 
A civilian volunteer....supporting from her home in America.
I couldn't decide which was the better tale.

Measuring Time

A Ukrainian teenager who supplies a unit of tankers near Kharkiv told me “Ukrainians don’t measure time in months or days. We measure it in…
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The Things We Don’t Carry

I wrote this about how it feels to evacuate injured military volunteers in Ukraine and see the affects of war firsthand.
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Zipperhead99 said:
This video is an hour long, but nicely explains how economies go on a war footing and why Russia has not collapsed despite all the sanctions thrown at it by the West
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Watched last night, excellent as always. $ years of war broke the British Empire and exhausted the Soviets for number of years. As this video points out, it will be a victory or defeat based on moral and human capital issues. The Russians appear to have recently gained an upper hand in Bakumat, but I wonder what the human cost was and can they continue to do it. If Russia does not defeat Ukraine or bring it to it's knees, there is a going to be a very human backlash from the Russian Veterans in the years to come.
 
Colin Parkinson said:
Watched last night, excellent as always. $ years of war broke the British Empire and exhausted the Soviets for number of years. As this video points out, it will be a victory or defeat based on moral and human capital issues. The Russians appear to have recently gained an upper hand in Bakumat, but I wonder what the human cost was and can they continue to do it. If Russia does not defeat Ukraine or bring it to it's knees, there is a going to be a very human backlash from the Russian Veterans in the years to come.
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“An army cannot be built without repression. The commander will always find it necessary to place the soldier between the possibility that death lies ahead and the certainty that it lies behind.”

Leon Trotsky
 
Colin Parkinson said:
Watched last night, excellent as always. $ years of war broke the British Empire and exhausted the Soviets for number of years. As this video points out, it will be a victory or defeat based on moral and human capital issues. The Russians appear to have recently gained an upper hand in Bakumat, but I wonder what the human cost was and can they continue to do it. If Russia does not defeat Ukraine or bring it to it's knees, there is a going to be a very human backlash from the Russian Veterans in the years to come.
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No world leader can survive a nation full of angry & grieving parents.

Putin has set Russia up for decades of unneeded domestic turmoil as a result of this, on all fronts.
 
KevinB said:
But why on earth would you make a 105mm SPA?
Sure you can make one - but why.
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Because we will only buy (and that's if we are lucky) a fraction of the 155 SPG's that we need and the Reserves still need tubes, as very shortly they will have nothing. (I realize for someone that spent a fair bit of time with the Yanks that the term "nothing" is a tad foreign) :cool:
 
daftandbarmy said:
I have used Pakistani ammunition in the past (checks fingers) successfully ;)
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We had about 1m rounds of 9mm of what we called Pakchester - it was fantastic training ammo for IA's and Stoppages -
DoS got it out of Pakistan for the Embassy, probably 20% the rounds seem to be filled with sand not any powder, and a good 30% of the primers where dead.

Colin Parkinson said:
Because we will only buy (and that's if we are lucky) a fraction of the 155 SPG's that we need and the Reserves still need tubes, as very shortly they will have nothing. (I realize for someone that spent a fair bit of time with the Yanks that the term "nothing" is a tad foreign) :cool:
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Get a M119A3 and call it a day, you can even tow it in a Milverado ;)
SPA's are significantly more $$$ than towed guns, and getting a 105mm SPA is just a really bad business concept for the RCA.
You'd end up with 1/4rd (if lucky) of the C3's you have, and not have a viable deployable system anyway.
 
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1612337912091217920

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Confirmed! Russia uses its Su-57 Felon stealth fighters against Ukraine

The UK Ministry of Defense confirmed via satellite photos that Russia is using five fifth-generation Su-57 Felon (NATO codename) fighters against targets in Ukr
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According to the UK MoD, the Su-57’s missions are likely limited to launching long-range air-to-surface or air-to-air missiles against Ukrainian targets, from the safety of Russian airspace; for fear that, due to combat action or a technical malfunction, one of its most advanced combat aircraft may end up crashing in enemy territory and its sensitive technology may be seriously compromised.

Another argument put forward by the British Ministry of Defense is that the possibility of losing an Su-57 during war operations would seriously damage the reputation of Russian military technology (already hit hard since the start of the conflict), also negatively impacting their export expectations. This would be symptomatic of Russia’s continued risk aversion in using its air force in the war.
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